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"I'm not a big fan of Xbox 1.5"-Phil Spencer

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As long as you have a Live sub, who cares what device you're playing on. The money's in services, not hardware (tho peripherals are $$$$$$)

People who have their worth invested in a platform and feel threatened when that platform is in danger of being passed by.

I agree with you though. If I have a Live sub I don't give a damn where I'm playing the game only that I am using their services. PC, Xbox, phone, etc.. it doesn't matter.
 
Good

Silly idea

Wait 2 more years and then blow the top off with a significantly more powerful console
Yep more power has been doing well. All these new amazing games out there.


Last gen has killed 60 percent of gaming and it's still crawling. Not sure where more power is helping. Just hope Tools can ease costs.
 

khaaan

Member
Has Xbox 361 been said yet? Also, link in the OP doesn't work but it's not a big deals cause there's not much more to the actual article. You can find it here if you're interested.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Sony "PS4.5, 3.5 TF in 2016"
MS "cancel Xbox 1.5 Xbox 2, 4.0 TF in 2017"
Sony "cancel PS4.5 raise you a PS 5, 5TF in 2018!"
MS "cancel Xbox 2, straight jump to Xbox 2.5, 6 TF in 2019"

10 years later, we still game on PS4 and Xbox one.

Hahaha.
 
I don't understand what Sony and Microsoft are doing. The drop to a new processing node for video cards and the move to HBM2 is coming at the perfect time to make a new full powered PS5 and Xbox 2 in fall 2018. Just wait 30 months and do this right and return to a proper five year cycle. All these incremental upgrades and semantic arguments about what to call it make no sense. Just jump to the new gen on schedule.

It seems you don't understand developers needs.

The more significant the difference in power, the harder it is to scale. A full powered PS5 and XBox 2 in 2018 means a few things to developers.

1) Drastically cut down the vision of your title in order to accommodate PS4 and PS5.
2) Cut off a large existing market by target only the PS5.
3) Skip out on PS5 til a large enough user base emerges then jump in still leaving money on the table.
4) Smaller titles are mostly fine in this scenario.

Something like a PS4.5 helps smooth that transition out. The scenario changes to:

1) Accommodate PS4.5 when making a PS5 game. The lesser gap means the scale of the title should still be attainable. It may not perform nearly as well on the PS4.5, but the game doesn't have to be complete reengineered nor does the vision have to be cut. Put some notice that says playable on PS4.5 and PS5.
2) Smaller titles are mostly fine in this scenario.
3) Target only PS5 due to the same reasons that some PC games only target 980s and the like. Your engine is scale-able but you just want to target the bleeding edge cause its cool.
4) The PS4 lifetime is probably extended into 2021 or later so the user base continues to expand.

The second scenario is much more preferable to developers.
 

generic_username

I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
This guy simply says one thing and does the other.
He was the first one talking about incremental updates and getting away from the traditional console business model, now he's not a fan of the concept and Xbox One works well?
I don't know how much credit people can put into his words until they announce things.
He sounds like they're planning to go fully ahead with an other gen of games which won't be compatible with Xbox One at all but at the same time he's trying to make people confident in the relevance of the current Xbox One saying he's happy with it and it works so well LOL.
That's kinda ridiculous because the two concepts are opposite.

Agree with everything except the bolded
 
April fools right Phil? #4thegamers.

Lets see how well the ps4k sells (which i imagine quite well considering the cheapest 4k player is $400 and back ordered while the ps4k offers much better value and better visuals for games) if you will change your tune :)
 
I don't get the responses given what I read. For me he is saying they won't go with a half measure, but more like a really high end console.
 

WadeitOut

Member
I'm confused...am I reading the quote wrong?

It reads to be like there is going to be an upgrade but that it won't be a small "1.5" upgrade. Most of the comments here seem to be reading it differently.
 

AmyS

Member
I couldn't care less what it's called, it's what is under the hood that counts.

Give it enough performance that it can cut through any current or upcoming UE4 / CryEngine game like a hot knife through butter at 1080p (some devs will chose to go with 60fps, others will choose to push the best graphics at 30ps) and get Rift support.

I'd love it if they did two models $300 and $500 where the more expensive model pushes native 4K

Fall 2018.
 

JaggedSac

Member
This guy simply says one thing and does the other.
He was the first one talking about incremental updates and getting away from the traditional console business model, now he's not a fan of the concept and Xbox One works well?
I don't know how much credit people can put into his words until they announce things.
He sounds like they're planning to go fully ahead with an other gen of games which won't be compatible with Xbox One at all but at the same time he's trying to make people confident in the relevance of the current Xbox One saying he's happy with it and it works so well LOL.
That's kinda ridiculous because the two concepts are opposite.


How did you get any of this from the quote?
 

generic_username

I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
People line up to buy all kinds of shit that ends up flopping.

Hang on.. PS4K is an upgrade and not a replacement so there are two scenarios

1. PS4K and PS4 sell well

2. PS4 continues to sell well and PS4K has slow uptake

Either ways Sony's marketshare does not change as it will continue to outsell Xbox One. So what is the danger for Sony here exactly?
 

Bsigg12

Member
I don't get the responses given what I read. For me he is saying they won't go with a half measure, but more like a really high end console.

Pretty much this. It sounds like if the technology is available, why wait to implement it if it's a significant change from what is already being used. I would think the successor to the Xbox One will be a bit of a powerhouse that will maintain compatibility with everything from the Xbox One.
 

mjp2417

Banned
I'm confused...am I reading the quote wrong?

It reads to be like there is going to be an upgrade but that it won't be a small "1.5" upgrade. Most of the comments here seem to be reading it differently.

No, I think you're reading it right. It's just a little shade thrown at the alleged PS4K specs filtered through PR-speak.
 

Trojan

Member
I would not read much into this. He's kind of placating to the general feeling that people don't want minor-step upgrades, but it's anyone's guess as to what they'll actually do. MS also said that the X1 was a major leap in technology so you need to run it through the corporate-speak filter before making assumptions.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
"I'm not a big fan of Xbox 1.5"-Phil Spencer

Neither was I, post J. Allard. But that's okay, Phil. We have the X-box 72--Oh, you mean the 720 and not the actual X-box 1/180. Ooooooooh, okay. Uh, yeah... why not call your upgrade the X-box 725 so branding won't be a mess?

Not like I'm bitter about them appropriating the better console's name. No siree
 

WadeitOut

Member
No, I think you're reading it right. It's just a little shade thrown at the alleged PS4K specs filtered through PR-speak.

But almost all comments in this thread are implying they think it means they aren't releasing an upgraded console period.
 

Darkangel

Member
Good, that's the way it should be.

If Sony is the only one releasing half-generation jumps then the general public might be less willing to accept it.
 
Xbox will probably announce Xbox 10 at E3 claiming that both their games and apps run in 4k and touting full backwards compatibility to existing Xbox One games and white-listed Xbox 360 games. Saying silly things like all old games run exactly the same, but better (somehow).

I wonder if Xbox gonna make the same mistake of pricing their new Xbox at a higher price, but having lower specs, or will the situation now be reversed...

I think the next HW sporting an Xbox name will go back to making games as a first priority following the disastrous XB1 reveal.
 

pastrami

Member
It seems you don't understand developers needs.

The more significant the difference in power, the harder it is to scale. A full powered PS5 and XBox 2 in 2018 means a few things to developers.

1) Drastically cut down the vision of your title in order to accommodate PS4 and PS5.
2) Cut off a large existing market by target only the PS5.
3) Skip out on PS5 til a large enough user base emerges then jump in still leaving money on the table.
4) Smaller titles are mostly fine in this scenario.

Something like a PS4.5 helps smooth that transition out. The scenario changes to:

1) Accommodate PS4.5 when making a PS5 game. The lesser gap means the scale of the title should still be attainable. It may not perform nearly as well on the PS4.5, but the game doesn't have to be complete reengineered nor does the vision have to be cut. Put some notice that says playable on PS4.5 and PS5.
2) Smaller titles are mostly fine in this scenario.
3) Target only PS5 due to the same reasons that some PC games only target 980s and the like. Your engine is scale-able but you just want to target the bleeding edge cause its cool.
4) The PS4 lifetime is probably extended into 2021 or later so the user base continues to expand.

The second scenario is much more preferable to developers.

Well said. Modern AAA games are way too big to justify targeting a brand new console and fan base. This is why we saw so many cross generation games from third party publishers. A half generation will help smooth out launches and reduce the number of titles hobbled by 5+ year old hardware.
 

Maximus P

Member
If I'm MS I'd come in with a cheaper model of the same system. Sony making a misstep. Time to hit hard. £199.99 would be a buy price on any console for me.

Co'mon Phil.

I actually think this is the best move here. Release a slim/cheaper console to the market.

While Sony chase the hardcore MS chase the casual market.
 
Pretty much this. It sounds like if the technology is available, why wait to implement it if it's a significant change from what is already being used. I would think the successor to the Xbox One will be a bit of a powerhouse that will maintain compatibility with everything from the Xbox One.

The next Xbox is already out of date. There will never be a "high-end" Xbox.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Hey, i agree with MS for once in modern times. Not enough to make me go back to them after the shit they pulled, but its a nice statement to make, especially after he essentially started this talk with the "faster upgrade cycles" thing.

I don't know how the rumors will pan out for Sony, but i hope they are listening
 

Serick

Married Member
Sure, but for how long? Xbox 360 came out just 4 years after the Xbox.
Xbox 2 could come out end of 2018 (or even 2017 but I doubt that) or something and then it would be the strongest thing out there.

I only meant when PS4K and NX launch. Who knows how long...

Wasn't a dig at Xbox, I own a One and enjoy it.
 

T.O.P

Banned
Sony "PS4.5, 3.5 TF in 2016"
MS "cancel Xbox 1.5 Xbox 2, 4.0 TF in 2017"
Sony "cancel PS4.5 raise you a PS 5, 5TF in 2018!"
MS "cancel Xbox 2, straight jump to Xbox 2.5, 6 TF in 2019"

10 years later, we still game on PS4 and Xbox one.
Ahah
 
So they will potentially have the weakest console on the market then.

Wasn't a problem for the PS2, or the Wii, or any of Nintendo's handhelds, the Genesis...etc. I've never understood people's obsession over "power levels."

I like what Phil is throwing down at least. PS4K sounds like Sony returning to its pre-PS3 arrogance.
 

wapplew

Member
Hang on.. PS4K is an upgrade and not a replacement so there are two scenarios

1. PS4K and PS4 sell well

2. PS4 continues to sell well and PS4K has slow uptake

Either ways Sony's marketshare does not change as it will continue to outsell Xbox One. So what is the danger for Sony here exactly?

3. PS4K slow uptake, Xbox 2 release and promise it will be the only Xbox 2 for whole generation, people who like traditional console buy Xbox two instead
 

WadeitOut

Member
But that's what it came across as, it only adds to the confusion when he was the first to talk about possible upgrades only last month.

As a fluent English speaker...what?

"I want it to be a really substantial change for people – an upgrade"

He is clearly saying he doesn't want them to release some console with minor upgrades just to be able to do something like output 4K video which a Roku can already do.
 

meanspartan

Member
Good

Silly idea

Wait 2 more years and then blow the top off with a significantly more powerful console

This right here.

If they want to do shortened gens of 5 years, hell even 4 years, I am totally on board with that. No reason they need to go 6 or 7, and I think last gen only did because of the global recession.

But fuck this .5 bullshit, it just pisses off your most loyal early adopting fans. Wait til late 2017 or 2018 with a totally new console.

And for Sony, do a true Ps5 that can actually play 4k games, not this Ps4.5 with a GPU only twice as powerful (and thus nowhere near enough to do true 4k gaming)
 

Serick

Married Member
Wasn't a problem for the PS2, or the Wii, or any of Nintendo's handhelds, the Genesis...etc. I've never understood people's obsession over "power levels."

I like what Phil is throwing down at least. PS4K sounds like Sony returning to its pre-PS3 arrogance.

I wouldn't call my observation an obsession. Microsoft has never been positioned with the weakest console and has often advertised their console as having lots of power and amazing visuals. Even when the 360 was "inferior" to the PS3 it often got better running/looking ports. I just find it interesting and am wondering what impact (if any) it would have on the Xbox brand.

I would also like a bigger upgrade than the 2x GPU power the PS4k is rumored to be.
 

mjp2417

Banned
But almost all comments in this thread are implying they think it means they aren't releasing an upgraded console period.

I think they are probably misinterpreting him. What he appears to be saying is that their revision to the Xbox One hardware will be a bigger jump than Sony's planned revision. Obviously I could be wrong though.
 
As a fluent English speaker...what?

"I want it to be a really substantial change for people – an upgrade "

Don't substantial upgrades happen when a new generation occurs? The ps4k isn't a substantial upgrade. I got the impression from those quotes they won't be following Sony's route despite him being the first to talk about upgrades last month
 

WadeitOut

Member
I think they are probably misinterpreting him. What he appears to be saying is that their revision to the Xbox One hardware will be a bigger jump than Sony's planned revision. Obviously I could be wrong though.

Agreed. I think people are skimming the actual quote.
 
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