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Red Dead Redemption stories emerge from court documents, including Houser panicking
- Thread starter Quentyn
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Alright, boys, we can pack it up now!
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Head of R* North. One of the 3 major R* players along with the Houser brothers.
stan423321
Member
It appears that he was doing some proper team management, which in turn made camera guys make it work. Maybe he dropped a suggestion or two.
The Albatross
Member
Keep in mind, this is all from Benzie's legal team as they're trying to win a settlement for hundreds of millions of dollars.
If no one knows what is going on then nothing gets done.
I asked this earlier but I'm still not clear how an employee ever got entitled to this kinda money in the first place.
Like, he didn't own the IP or anything did he? I'm mean that even surpasses global corporation CEO bonus money.
Hamster Plugin
Member
Alternate title for GTA5?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Oh, this is some exquisite scuttlebutt here. Great photochops and quips too!
"Write what you know" is advice one, really.
"Write what you know" is advice one, really.
Brilliant.
TetraGenesis
Member
Goddamn.
Graphics Horse
Member
ESRB should be edited to BENZ
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I'm wondering how exactly they had trouble with a fundamental element of the game that's basically the same as GTA.
What? How much of a hand did North have in RDR? I thought it was basically 99% San Diego.
RazielCuts
Member
It's all about the Benzamins, baby.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
On a project that big in scale? Easily. Without proper project management tasks will not get completed in proper time/order, might not be finished to completion, or potentially not get looked at period. Hundreds of workers running around with no proper direction... Not any one issue may be super obvious when that is happening. Maybe it was a known issue, but no one was tasked with fixing it and they all had a whole pile of other important work to finish? One person with no direction thinks another person with no direction is taking care of it? Maybe someone was working on it and due to poor management they were told to start working on another task causing it to fall by the wayside? It was talked about, but it ended there due to an unorganized workload? Could be anything. Project management is kind of important.
The Albatross
Member
Yeah, if you read the outline in the court brief from Benzie's lawyers it doesn't make sense that he'd be entitled to that kind of money. It's all to push for a settlement.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
A top 3 employee getting insane royalties off of a billion dollar franchise? Doesn't sound crazy to me.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
The details coming out from this case are making me realise exactly why the GTA games turn out the way they do.
I've never ever enjoyed the clunky nature of the way they played and they seemed like a bit of a mess to me. Now I know why. Leslie had to keep being called in to clean up train wrecks so the final product basically ended up being one mans effort too clean up a mess in a short a time as possible.
Makes sense. Now that Leslie is gone, I'll definitely continue to not buy any future GTA games now that he won't be there to make it at least playable.
I've never ever enjoyed the clunky nature of the way they played and they seemed like a bit of a mess to me. Now I know why. Leslie had to keep being called in to clean up train wrecks so the final product basically ended up being one mans effort too clean up a mess in a short a time as possible.
Makes sense. Now that Leslie is gone, I'll definitely continue to not buy any future GTA games now that he won't be there to make it at least playable.
flaxknuckles
Member
On the other hand he might be the reason the GTA games play so clunkily. Neither Max Payne 3 or RDR were headed by him and they are the best playing Rockstar games.
Alandrus Sun
Banned
What?!
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Feel the Benz
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
He clearly was a part of RDR in some form according to those emails. Max Payne was also already an established franchise when Rockstar started on Max Payne3.
Let's not forget the documents show the most favorable side of the story for Benzie (i.e. he's the man behind the success of all Rockstar games and the Housers are imposters and pricks). Which may be true, but since everyone here seem to acknowledge that this is the truth behind it all... and the truth for the games that have not been announced yet...
Simo
Member
ehhh...I wouldn't look too much into that. Benzies is a intense private person who has always tried to keep out of the public eye and remain well..private.
So much so that whenever outlets would do features for GTA or interview Benzies they were never allowed to photograph, record or film him. lol He just may well of not been comfortable up there on the stage in front of everyone and it was also one of the rare public appearances by him.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
The Benz will make them bands. Hilarious few emails. I need to see more!
DustyVonEric
Member
That's hilarious. That's what you get for trying to cheat someone out of their money.
Ohhhh! Brilliant
This thread, man.
But really I worry, hopefully needlessly, about RDR2 and GTA6 now.
Mutha f'er like "Hold up. Where's that lunch from? I don't like that place; throw it away". Whaaat?? Haha, damn!
That's hilarious. That's what you get for trying to cheat someone out of their money.
Awesome.
Also the mess that Heists were for GTA Online... Both run up to release with it's year+ delay then the lackluster polish (2-4 required at all times, annoying lives where a single person dying fails the entire heist)
dragonbane
Member
Apparently he had the same contract as the Housers, so he really was the #3 on the team and very likely entitled to this kind of money.
potatohead
Member
That's hilarious. That's what you get for trying to cheat someone out of their money.
Lmao thanks fam
Nevadatan
Member
So RDR was indeed a development hell, not that we dont knew that already but its nice to be reminded of that every now and then. nice to see that was Benzies that saved the day.
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Rndm
Member
Yes Heists probably had to suffer a bit because of the drama as well, but more realistically I would say that Heists got pushed back once they realized they needed a lot more content and polish (R* (and this might or might not be true) said that they had a more difficult time crafting the story and getting things right for the co-op experience redoing and improving many things many times).
But the main reason why it got then pushed back is because of the PS4, Xbox One and PC versions of the game in which a lot of development went into.
Also I disagree with many things you say about the Heists. 2-4 players, yes, it's supposed to be a co-op experience where players have different roles and you need enough players for all the roles. Also you only fail once a player dies if you do the heist or the setup on HARD difficulty. You get 1 extra life on normal and I think 2 on easy. I don't see any issues with that especially because (for the most part) the locations where you respawn when retrying are ok and it's not like you get kicked out of the mission and have to set up everything again.
Nightengale
Member
When something smells, it's usually
the Benz.
(time for)
Dead Man Typing
Member
It never ceases to amaze me that games actually get made. Trying to pull that many people in the same direction at the same time is just incredible. On a project of any size it's incredible but on something like GTA it just seems impossible.
I need a sequel to the Daniel Radcliffe BBC thing.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
EDIT: Beaten savagely
Cindi Mayweather
Member
The Houser's are described by many as insane egomaniacs. This actually falls in line with that.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
This is a great post
I never had any contact with them, but from those that did, let's just say the words they used were not kind.
gigantor21
Member
OH GOD MY SIDES XD
