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[TLZ]

Yeah, hopefully the techie guys can edit it to make it sound more optimized and fit within a $350 for console and $199 for handheld form factor and not be too hot.

Ok guys, although the sources are legit ones, let's not jump the gun and get hyped lol. It's nothing mind blowing.

So the specs you posted aren't related?

 

[MoonFrog]

Heh, well I know I show up for doses of wisdom... Teach me Gaf for I am feeble!!

But can GAF enough to make the youths better?

 

[ozfunghi]

What I'm expecting 10k's info to be:

'[Dev company X] has received a dev kit, and they've confirmed that it IS more powerful than the Wii U, and may or may not be more powerful than the PS4. Also, Nintendo have confirmed that OTHER dev houses do, in fact, have dev kits. And the console IS slated for release at some stage within the next two years. And there IS a gimmick/hook to the thing, but they can't say what it is.'

Seriously, don't get too excited. For his sake.

At least he hinted that his info would discard the claim that the GPU can't keep up with XBO, let alone PS4. So at the very least, that's something.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I think Emily should realize how important she is and that people will take her tweets as maybe she's post some insider info.

She can always clarify and put "rumor" in front of her tweets that aren't her opinion.

 

[Hilarion]

"More powerful".

It did have four times the RAM of either 360 or PS3, along with comparable CPU/GPU.

And the Wii was clearly more powerful than any 6th gen console. As much as people say "Wii is two Gamecubes taped together," the Gamecube itself was comparable to the original XBox but hamstrung by using minidiscs that only had about an eighth of the storage of the DVDs XBox and PS2 were using. Wii, besides being 1.5-2x stronger than the Gamecube (putting it comfortably ahead of the XBox and especially the PS2), used DVD-sized discs. The Wii was clearly stronger of any 6th gen console much like the Wii U is clearly stronger than any 7th gen one.

 

[Always-honest]

What I'm expecting 10k's info to be:

'[Dev company X] has received a dev kit, and they've confirmed that it IS more powerful than the Wii U, and may or may not be more powerful than the PS4. Also, Nintendo have confirmed that OTHER dev houses do, in fact, have dev kits. And the console IS slated for release at some stage within the next two years. And there IS a gimmick/hook to the thing, but they can't say what it is.'

Seriously, don't get too excited. For his sake.

Nooooo. That can't be it.

 

[Schnozberry]

So the specs you posted aren't related?

I doubt the info he has is related to hard specs. Nobody who is talking seems to have that.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I think Emily should realize how important she is and that people will take her tweets as maybe she's post some insider info.

She can always clarify and put "rumor" in front of her tweets that aren't her opinion.

What has she said that sound like a rumor?

 

[Vena]

I doubt the info he has is related to hard specs. Nobody who is talking seems to have that.

Well we have semi-hard CPU specs, but as noted they are fluid since its probably not finalized and the numbers are from unknown benchmarking rather than straight up clockspeeds and uarch data.

 

[Dark Cloud]

What has she said that sound like a rumor?

I'm not sure because she has her account on private. I guess she was saying something about the NX and third party support. You'll have to ask the guys who can see her tweets.

 

[-Horizon-]

10K if you come through with some non-news ima shoot you! Cause yung metro def dont trust you!

"I was told that it plays games, specifically nintendo games"

 

[Meesh]

I doubt the info he has is related to hard specs. Nobody who is talking seems to have that.

Kind surprised none of the leaks uses alleged code names for the cpu/gpu. Not entirely sure but isn't that generally the case? Or am I waaaay off?

 

[MoonFrog]

"I was told that it plays games, specifically nintendo games"

Is toaster theory dead then?! No it can play games and make toast!

 

[diaspora]

What I'm expecting 10k's info to be:

'[Dev company X] has received a dev kit, and they've confirmed that it IS more powerful than the Wii U, and may or may not be more powerful than the PS4. Also, Nintendo have confirmed that OTHER dev houses do, in fact, have dev kits. And the console IS slated for release at some stage within the next two years. And there IS a gimmick/hook to the thing, but they can't say what it is.'

Seriously, don't get too excited. For his sake.

IIRC LCGeek already pointed out that the CPU was better than the PS4/XB1's.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

That makes sense. Actually, there was recently a job posting (that I was considering applying to) that I imagine probably includes some NeoGAF browsing to gauge how people are responding to their announcements and the announcements of their competitors.

Recently, I figure that that Zelda rumor thread has been monitored and the reactions in there might influence the language they use when they formally show off the game and whatever features it has.

It wouldnt be wise to make decisions based on neogaf opinion unless its about a really niche game and even then.

 

[Oddduck]

I think Emily should realize how important she is and that people will take her tweets as maybe she's post some insider info.

She can always clarify and put "rumor" in front of her tweets that aren't her opinion.

To be fair, doesn't she usually do that?

 

[Schnozberry]

Well we have semi-hard CPU specs, but as noted they are fluid since its probably not finalized and the numbers are from unknown benchmarking rather than straight up clockspeeds and uarch data.

I'll have to go back and find that post earlier in the thread. Unknown benchmarks sets off all kinds of alarm bells.

 

[Manoko]

"I was told that it plays games, specifically nintendo games"

Come on now, let's tone down the speculation a bit to make sure we're not disappointed.

 

[Dark Cloud]

To be fair, doesn't she usually do that?

I agree with you on those. I was just going off what some of these guys were saying with her latest tweet on how it comes of as either her opinion or a rumor.

 

[Mpl90]

I respectfully have to disagree. Once you publicly position yourself as an insider and a source, the expectation becomes that your words will be taken as fact unless presented otherwise, so the onus is on your to say "I think" before your thoughts to delineate them as such. If Deep Throat said "Nixon eats raw chicken," people would have taken this as fact given that he was in a position to know and was a credible source. If he said "I think Nixon eats raw chicken," people would know not to take it as fact. I understand this is a potentially annoying extra hurdle to deal with when you make yourself publicly known as someone who Knows Stuff, but it comes with the territory. Otherwise, it becomes too difficult to know whether what is being stated by a proven insider is or isn't opinion or fact.

It seems she's usually clear when she tweets rumours (by stating *Rumours* in her tweets). Also, her recent tweets were clear enough, but maybe she should've stated from the get go they were her *Opinion*, at least the opening one, since people do tend to overanalyse everything that someone like her (a credible insider) says.

 

[Roo]

IIRC LCGeek already pointed out that the CPU was better than the PS4/XB1's.

CPU alone won't make NX better than PS4 tho

We need to know at least the RAM and GPU as well to have a better idea of the consoles power.

 

[Schnozberry]

CPU alone won't make NX better than PS4 tho

We need to know at least the RAM and GPU as well to have a better idea of the consoles power.

CPU power has been the achilles heel of this console gen, so it's promising that Nintendo took notice.

 

[Malus]

What I'm expecting 10k's info to be:

'[Dev company X] has received a dev kit, and they've confirmed that it IS more powerful than the Wii U, and may or may not be more powerful than the PS4. Also, Nintendo have confirmed that OTHER dev houses do, in fact, have dev kits. And the console IS slated for release at some stage within the next two years. And there IS a gimmick/hook to the thing, but they can't say what it is.'

Seriously, don't get too excited. For his sake.

That wouldn't discredit the reddit rumor like he said it would tho.

 

[Griss]

That wouldn't discredit the reddit rumor like he said it would tho.

I was being facetious, but the man himself said not to get excited, so it's silly to expect anything concrete.

 

[Roo]

CPU power has been the achilles heel of this console gen, so it's promising that Nintendo took notice.

Indeed.
Let's hope they take a similar approach with the other two.

 

[Nin_Fan]

I have a question, why does she make a point to say you can get both? Isn't that obvious? If you bought an nx and already have a wii u why would you buy both its not like 3ds vs wiiu where each has there benefits. In the case wii u most likely be the inferior version. Am I missing something?

 

[bachikarn]

I thought for $250 it could be XBO power levels, or is that unrealistic? Providing we had a standard controller, I suppose, which I realize may be a long shot.

I don't know anything about about that tech, but what exactly is the market for a stardard game console that's weaker than the rest. I'm not sure who that appeals to except the Wii U audience, who will probably feel burned.

Either come out with a good gimmick or compete in power.

 

[Instro]

Assuming it doesn't use Discs, but Carts, it might. No Disc Drive, no need for a massive hard drive to install games on. Also results in a smaller form factor.

There was also that patent of game updates/DLC being stored on the carts themselves.

Fair point, that would be an interesting route.

 

[Manoko]

I don't know anything about about that tech, but what exactly is the market for a stardard game console that's weaker than the rest. I'm not sure who that appeals to except the Wii U audience, who will probably feel burned.

Either come out with a good gimmick or compete in power.

A good gimmick doesn't have to be expensive to make.

 

[Oddduck]

Assuming it doesn't use Discs, but Carts, it might. No Disc Drive, no need for a massive hard drive to install games on. Also results in a smaller form factor.

There was also that patent of game updates/DLC being stored on the carts themselves.

I would be up for carts making a comeback.

 

[Pancake Mix]

For the first time since the PS1, a more powerful CPU than Sony or Microsoft from Nintendo would not be surprising at all if Nintendo is done with the Wii/Wii U direction. At the end of the day this console is releasing at least 3 years later than its competition, which already used something conservative, specifically this.

Of course, if there is one area where Sony spent a bit of extra money over Microsoft in 2013 (and possibly Nintendo in 2016) it was the GPU.

Source article, but all credit to chipworks

Again, by virtue of being an AMD APU, the Xbox One and PS4 GPUs are technologically similar — with the simple difference that the PS4 GPU is larger. In PC terms, the Xbox One has a GPU that’s similar to the entry-level Bonaire GPU in the older Radeon HD 7790, while the PS4 is outfitted with the midrange Pitcairn that can be found in the HD 7870. In numerical terms, the Xbox One GPU has 12 compute units (768 shader processors), while the PS4 has 18 compute units (1,152 shaders). The Xbox One is slightly ahead on GPU clock speed (853MHz vs. 800MHz for the PS4).

Source

This is relevant because it's worth noting that the PS4 and Xbox One both had low-end CPU's in 2013, but the PS4's GPU was actually mid-range at time and pretty close to a Radeon HD 7870. I could see Nintendo with more powerful GPU hardware too, but I don't think they'll enter mid-range territory by 2016 standards. Why am I saying this? Well, if someone calls the NX underpowered, if Nintendo goes for low-end in both CPU and GPU by 2016 standards, it's correct for the era even if it's more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One. I really don't see Nintendo going mid-range on either part so it will probably happen.

I also don't know if Nintendo wants to have an absolutely gigantic SOC like Sony and Microsoft did. Sony and Microsoft both put in place decent cooling solutions on the launch models because of all of the heat generated:

PlayStation 4 (2013)

Xbox One (2013)

Nintendo making something that generates enough heat that it requires heat pipes? Nevermind all the power required to power a device that generates heat like that in the first place, far above the 75w the Wii U was rated at.

 

[-Horizon-]

Is toaster theory dead then?! No it can play games and make toast!

Burnt toast only.

Come on now, let's tone down the speculation a bit to make sure we're not disappointed.

There's no stopping this hype train. Let me blow your mind, it'll even come with a controller.

 

[Meesh]

There's no stopping this hype train. Let me blow your mind, it'll even come with a controller.

Lord Jeezus man, spoiler tag that shit.

 

[Manoko]

There's no stopping this hype train. Let me blow your mind, it'll even come with a controller.

Mind officially blown.
You happy now ?

Spoiler

Seriously though, if it's a traditionnal controller, this gif would be appropriate, and I would be extremely happy.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

We neee a real truthful rumor/leak

 

[Deleted member 465307]

It wouldnt be wise to make decisions based on neogaf opinion unless its about a really niche game and even then.

Oh, no, of course not. I assume that datum is one point of reference supplemented by other websites (including news sites and their commentators, YouTube, etc.) and potentially focus groups and market research surveys. I mostly agree. Looking at enthusiast populations aren't total wastes, though, because those same enthusiasts often help you with on-the-ground marketing and building awareness by talking about your products for them. Pleasing your core fans can definitely help with certain products. But you're right that it would be unwise to solely rely on them in many cases.

For example, is NeoGAF the target audience for Wii Fit? Probably not, so you wouldn't shape your advertising campaign around what will make NeoGAF buy it. However, you can use NeoGAF and a number of other sites to see how you are doing perception-wise among a core audience, which may or may not be important depending on the kind of game. For example, I kind of feel like they might not care what a lot of NeoGAF and people in similar demographics think of Paper Mario: Color Splash, since their audience might be kids who watch certain TV channels and casual consumers who stroll through Target looking for games. But I also suspect that the early enthusiast and media buzz for PS4 and backlash against X1 spread beyond those circles and influenced momentum.

Enthusiasts, news sites, and "influencers" do shape the perception of their announcements—I mean, who is watching Nintendo Directs and press releases and reporting on them? I also think there's a reason Nintendo stopped allowing Likes-Dislikes on Federation Force videos that relates to how the actions of enthusiasts were influencing the perceptions of casual consumers.—so I think these groups have importance. However, they're a fraction of the population, so I'm mostly suggesting that when they are speaking to certain demographics or releasing certain news, websites like NeoGAF can be one resource for collecting opinions on how they're doing.

Edit: That OT post got way longer than I intended. Oops.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

which reddit post are we throwing out? The 2012 tech one?

 

[georly]

To be fair, doesn't she usually do that?

Yeah, I assume everything not labeled as rumor as 'speculation' or 'thoughts on the matter' unless specified otherwise.

 

[ozfunghi]

Hey 10K, just post it on Reddit, then we can discuss it in this topic, and you can then say that it matches with the intel you got

 

[Javier]

I shouldn't get hyped for this. It pains my heart.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

which reddit post are we throwing out? The 2012 tech one?

Yes, I believe that's what 10k was saying with this post:

Nirolak and Bish have been notified. Just waiting on them. And if my info is true, which has multiple sources, not just one, you can throw that reddit post above me in the garbage.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I have a question, why does she make a point to say you can get both? Isn't that obvious? If you bought an nx and already have a wii u why would you buy both its not like 3ds vs wiiu where each has there benefits. In the case wii u most likely be the inferior version. Am I missing something?

Honestly I never read that tweet as being any more than a coy wink to hardcore collectors.

 

[10k]

I got the go ahead from Nirolak. Will begin writing post now. Keep in mind this is second hand info and although I trust the sources, you should treat is as rumors until Nintendo says something official.

 

[Manoko]

I got the go ahead from Nirolak. Will begin writing post now. Keep in mind this is second hand info and although I trust the sources, you should treat is as rumors until Nintendo says something official.

HYPED !

Thanks a lot for your efforts.

 

[Meesh]

I'm ready!

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I got the go ahead from Nirolak. Will begin writing post now. Keep in mind this is second hand info and although I trust the sources, you should treat is as rumors until Nintendo says something official.

Oh shit! Here we go!

Just saying in advance, thank you so much for all this. Like an oasis in a desert...

 

[Graphics Horse]

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[Dark Cloud]

I got the go ahead from Nirolak. Will begin writing post now. Keep in mind this is second hand info and although I trust the sources, you should treat is as rumors until Nintendo says something official.

Omg it's like E3 before E3!

 

[Ad0ve]

ITS HAPPENING
GET ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN OR GTFO

 

[-Horizon-]

I got the go ahead from Nirolak. Will begin writing post now. Keep in mind this is second hand info and although I trust the sources, you should treat is as rumors until Nintendo says something official.

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