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[Rice-Eater]

Final Round and NCR are definitely up compared to last year.

NCR hitting 118k itself is just fkin amazing ( it had less than 500 players ). Especially when just a few years back , everyone was rejoicing over UMvC3 hitting 100k at EVO.

Off the top of my head I remember FR getting 58k for USF4 last year. It reached 99k this year when you combine main stream with the restreams in different languages. I don't remember NCR going over 100k but that'd be amazing if true. I also remember Red Bull Kumite getting barely over 30k last year. This year it hit 70k, again when combined with the different language restreams. Growth is definitely there for viewership besides attendance. We can't expect weekly's like NLBC and WNF to keep up their 10-15k viewership every week. I don't think anybody did.

 

[TheSeks]

4000 people are entering a tourney for a single game. Viewership is up. Tournament attendance is up.

It is attracting new players.

Viewers != Players. For instance, I can watch Evo 2016's Twitch Channel when Evo happens, despite having not touched SF5 since launch outside of like 2-4 hours to do some FM gain with Alex (soon Guile). That's what I'm getting at. Retention.

4000 people entering != 4000 people actually going.

Let's wait and see. SF5 may be "breaking records" but it's too early to tell if Capcom's goal of retaining new players is there. They bungled their launch and story mode alone isn't going to keep those new players playing, especially if their only option is "lose 99% of your online matches due to matchmaking."

 

[MrCarter]

Wow, amazing numbers and it's set to grow even further. Yeah Capcom didn't do a great job with some of the side-content in the game but they have done a marvellous job in creating one of the most balanced and dynamic fighting games in years. The game and the staff behind it deserve those EVO numbers but Capcom shareholders not so much.

Also Sonic Fox winning SFV EVO? Is that a pig flying outside the window? He should just stick to MKX.

 

[Skilletor]

Viewers != Players. For instance, I can watch Evo 2016's Twitch Channel when Evo happens, despite having not touched SF5 since launch outside of like 2-4 hours to do some FM gain with Alex (soon Guile). That's what I'm getting at. Retention.

4000 people entering != 4000 people actually going.

Let's wait and see. SF5 may be "breaking records" but it's too early to tell if Capcom's goal of retaining new players is there. They bungled their launch and story mode alone isn't going to keep those new players playing, especially if their only option is "lose 99% of your online matches due to matchmaking."

You don't almost double in tournament entrants without new players. You don't need to cap tournaments because of how the scene has grown with the release of this game without new players.

Capcom bungled the launch. There's no significant single player content. There were tons of issues with pretty much every facet of this release. True.

Those aren't the new players the game is attracting. I don't think the game will ever get those players. But it IS attracting and growing its playerbase. It has tons of new people playing.

 

[malfcn]

How are the brackets going to be set up. That's alot of matches to move through. I imagine the big names will get preference and privileges?

 

[Rabid Dwarf 76]

Hot damn Pokken! Way to build a scene! That's really impressive for new fighting game. SFV is going to be hell on earth in Vegas. God speed to those poor organizers. The madness is going to be awesome to watch.

 

[timetokill]

Do they really not have regionals to keep things manageable and separate the wheat from the chaff?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

That sounds like too many people... dang.

Evo may need some kind of point system to be able to enter the SFV tournament. What are they going to do? Crazy.

 

[Crono27]

Pokken. Doing pretty good

 

[I-hate-u]

But on the downside, we won't be able to catch a lot of amazing matches on upsets that will happen off stream.

 

[KingBroly]

Do they really not have regionals to keep things manageable and separate the wheat from the chaff?

No. EVO is just one Tournament towards Capcom's Pro Tour Final Event, which is only for qualified players based on Tournament Wins and Points.

 

[FadedRevolution]

Do they really not have regionals to keep things manageable and separate the wheat from the chaff?

Evo has always been an event for everybody and this is the first year that they had this many participants so they probably want to test the waters and see how things go.

 

[Daft Punk]

You don't almost double in tournament entrants without new players. You don't need to cap tournaments because of how the scene has grown with the release of this game without new players.

Capcom bungled the launch. There's no significant single player content. There were tons of issues with pretty much every facet of this release. True.

Those aren't the new players the game is attracting. I don't think the game will ever get those players. But it IS attracting and growing its playerbase. It has tons of new people playing.

Thank you. You don't double numbers at a tourney if you aren't getting new players and people who've never been in the competitive scene before. This is what Capcom was trying do from the start. It's almost backhanded to go, "Well 4k entrants are going, but I mean, are they really new players? The game still bombed, etc."

 

[Gunslinger]

Brah, I’m always in Sales GAF thread, I follow numbers, it’s interesting conversation to me. I’m following Ratchet as well.

I went through a white knight phase championing a game, don’t be stupid and over critique every post I make to have some agenda. We don’t know official sales WW yet period.

EDIT: and you misinterpreted his post -_- He’s talking about twitch viewers compared to sales.

i did sorry man. but yo ma son i never over critique anything you say. If anything i defend most your post. It's that dryeyedrelief guy that goes ham on your posts imo.

 

[gigantor21]

But on the downside, we won't be able to catch a lot of amazing matches on upsets that will happen off stream.

Yeah, that's one of the ironies of it being such a success. We aren't going to see 99% of the matches in pools, LOL.

 

[Gunslinger]

Yeah, that's one of the ironies of it being such a success. We aren't going to see 99% of the matches in pools, LOL.

True. We will miss most hype matches to be honest. Especially from pool level to all the way upto top 32 probably.

 

[TaterTots]

Goes to show how serious the competitors of the game are. If I'm not mistaken the game didn't sell that well? Gotta respect the competitive scene.

 

[Renekton]

That's just way too many concentrated on one game.

Hopefully they farm out to equally deserving fighters, like Tekken.

 

[Gunslinger]

That's just way too many concentrated on one game.

Hopefully they farm out to equally deserving fighters, like Tekken.

nah tekken is niche in the tournament scene now. I would say its even below anime fighters. IMO interest right now is like this SF-Capcom Games-Smash-pokken-MK-KI-Anime-Tekken-Other 3d fighters.

 

[forknknife]

Guys, chill out, I'll buy a copy of the game too, it'll be OK.

 

[Westlo]

Will have 5k entrants, still infil beats tokido in grand finals.

 

[Synth]

Thank you. You don't double numbers at a tourney if you aren't getting new players and people who've never been in the competitive scene before. This is what Capcom was trying do from the start. It's almost backhanded to go, "Well 4k entrants are going, but I mean, are they really new players? The game still bombed, etc."

It may be backhanded, but I don't think it's really unquestionable tbh. If the argument were that the game is drawing more people to the competitive scene, then I think that would be difficult to argue with the numbers being what they are now. That's not the same thing as saying that it's drawing new players to the Street Fighter series however. There's not really anything to suggest that all of the new entrants to Evo for example weren't playing Street Fighter IV prior. 09ers joining the franchise back then (when it was very clearly drawing in new people) may have simply not felt comfortable attending such events in SFIV due to feeling too far behind as a result of starting from level 0.. whereas now they feel on more equal footing for a new iteration, because they are already armed with the basics.

Now obviously there will be some new blood for SFV... even the XBLA/PSN release of Fighting Vipers would have hit some players that weren't around for it before... but Evo registrations (that are far less likely to consist of players that have first touched a Street Fighter game ever in the last two months) isn't a very good metric to use as evidence of this.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Will have 5k entrants, still infil beats tokido in grand finals.

this would be so hilarious, lol

 

[Omnistalgic]

i did sorry man. but yo ma son i never over critique anything you say. If anything i defend most your post. It's that dryeyedrelief guy that goes ham on your posts imo.

meh, it’s all good man, I was going OD anyway lol...but yeah you’re right, my bad, I shouldn’t have taken that out on you.

Tks for the thread man, your taking over for me with the positive SFV news guy lol.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Will have 5k entrants, still infil beats tokido in grand finals.

Time is a flat circle

 

[KaYotiX]

That's and amazing number, I hope KI has a huge turn out too

 

[gigantor21]

True. We will miss most hype matches to be honest. Especially from pool level to all the way upto top 32 probably.

It's going to be an utter nightmare making it out of pools from losers this year. I can't even begin to imagine how many matches you'd have to play.

 

[MissDeviling]

this would be so hilarious, lol

Poor Tokido

 

[SixMachine]

Didn't Mr. Wizard mention that there was going to be more hotel deals coming up soon a while back. The first batch got snatched up quickly, I'm getting worried since I got good seats on finals day but I didn't get my hotel and flight bought yet since I've been holding out.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Everyone who owns the game applied for it?

Bodied.

Great to see the scene supporting this game. It's a lot of fun and I hope they get the chance to keep improving it for years to come.

Everyones going to be wondering if infiltration can be beaten..

And about 3000 Ken players will lose, lol.

 

[Gunslinger]

meh, it’s all good man, I was going OD anyway lol...but yeah you’re right, my bad, I shouldn’t have taken that out on you.

Tks for the thread man, your taking over for me with the positive SFV news guy lol.

lol i love this series man. I want nothing but good things for it. If only capcom gave some attention to casual market and not go all out for FGC. They succeeded at what they were aiming. Which is to make the FGC bigger and from the numbers it looks like they succeeded at that. But was it worth it losing the sp/rpg/fps and all other types of players? who knows but that is a discussion for another thread/another time. BTW man you are very good at SFV are you one of the 4k?

 

[Skilletor]

lol i love this series man. I want nothing but good things for it. If only capcom gave some attention to casual market and not go all out for FGC. They succeeded at what they were aiming. Which is to make the FGC bigger and from the numbers it looks like they succeeded at that. But was it worth it losing the sp/rpg/fps and all other types of players? who knows but that is a discussion for another thread/another time. BTW man you are very good at SFV are you one of the 4k?

I am!

Going to count on Omni to help me rank up.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Thank you. You don't double numbers at a tourney if you aren't getting new players and people who've never been in the competitive scene before. This is what Capcom was trying do from the start. It's almost backhanded to go, "Well 4k entrants are going, but I mean, are they really new players? The game still bombed, etc."

But generally speaking, can't you still have a small but passionate fan base as well?

So you could have an overall small install base, but with a more fervent and passionate core group that results in higher tournament entry numbers.

On the flip side, smaller numbers don't necessarily mean a game bombed. That could simply suggest a large portion of the base is casual.

 

[Gunslinger]

I am!

Going to count on Omni to help me rank up.

Nice bro! I hope you do well. It will be hype to see GAF members making out of pools. Will be even hype if GAF members get top 8. I remember cloud from marvel used to be a regular in gamefaqs. He's now one of the best. Would be hype to see neogaf get top 8 in SF. I know 16 bit is a neogaf poster. And he made MK 9 top 8. Now it's time for GAF to take over SF!!!!let's goooo haha. Good luck bro.

 

[KidA Seven]

Unlikely.

 

[Einchy]

Holy shit, pools will never end.

 

[Warxard]

Excellent numbers for a pretty good game.

 

[Toxi]

Christ that's a lot.

 

[Alucrid]

now think of all the upsets and amazing pool play that we won't see on stream


fuckkkkk

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

I hope Daigo can take it... or Luffy. I'm so sick of Infiltration winning, tbh.

 

[Alucrid]

I hope Daigo can take it... or Luffy. I'm so sick of Infiltration winning, tbh.

lol. don't place any bets on those two

 

[Zekes!]

Me and my cousin are planning on getting a bunch of food and streaming the finals like its the Super Bowl

 

[KidA Seven]

Viewership is not up, it's the same or less than when Ultra dropped. NLBC has significantly less viewers each week than when Ultra launched.

This is just wrong.

SF4s biggest numbers last year
Final Round - 58k
NCR - 62k
CEO - 82k
Capcom Cup - 135k
Evo - 252k
Combo Breaker - 48k
+a shit load of tournaments (including kumite) at 30-40k viewers

SFV
Final Round - 98k
NCR - 88k
Kumite - 73k
Winter Brawl - 48k

As much as I wish SFV would get League Twitch viewership, this is super unlikely. I'd be impressed if it broke 200k, honestly. I adore the game, but the reality is that when you look at twitch on ANY given day, it's not even in the top 10 games being watched. Only doing big tourneys like the norcal regionals, and even then it barely made it past 118k.

If SFV was bringing in those kinds of numbers, the prize pool would be huge and it would be considered one of the big esports. As is, on any given day, Halo and CoD kills it, sadly.

I wish I knew of a way to make it more watchable for mainstream. SFV is an incredible game. It's absolutely made for the FGC, though.

Halo does not have the viewership SF has. Someone corrected me a while back that Halo worlds got 98k viewers which is the same as final round. FR is a big major, but it is not SF's biggest tournament, as you can see with the numbers I listed.

Not sure about cod, as I don't watch that.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

That's just way too many concentrated on one game.

Hopefully they farm out to equally deserving fighters, like Tekken.

Would be nice for T7 to have some popularity, it's not very fun when your local 3D scene is minuscule compared to everything else.

 

[Rice-Eater]

If the final number of players is 4400(for example) then that means there are 275 pools and 550 players will advance from those pools. There aren't enough top/well known players to fill every pool so there will be pools full of nobodies. Doesn't mean they're not good, we just don't know them.

In other words, if you're nothing more than a decent player and ever wanted to make it out of pools then this might be your year. And that's why I'm even more bummed that I can't go. With the right pool maybe even I could brag about making it out even though I'm noting more than a low level online gold player.

 

[SolidSnakex]

now think of all the upsets and amazing pool play that we won't see on stream


fuckkkkk

Can you imagine the rage if Infiltration gets knocked off in pools with no one recording?

 

[KidA Seven]

lol. don't place any bets on those two

Certainly not right now (infil has that free), but evo is 3 months away. I have faith in daigo's talent. For as great as Infiltration is, he was only better than daigo in 2012 and 2013. Daigo's 2009-2011 and 2014-15 performances were better.

Daigo better step his game up.

 

[Renekton]

I hope Daigo can take it... or Luffy. I'm so sick of Infiltration winning, tbh.

It's Infiltration's year.

The gap between him and everyone else is depressingly big.

 

[ChaoticBlue]

Evo is not going to turn down $ and cap the player entrants. Everyone is invited to come and compete. Maybe we will see an unknown who makes it all the way to top 8 and becomes a household name.

 

[Gunslinger]

I hope Daigo can take it... or Luffy. I'm so sick of Infiltration winning, tbh.

daigo is washed up now lol. I will be surprised if he even makes it out of the pools.