No, the Wii U's problems go beyond price. But if the NX is cheaper, has twice as many 1st party games, at least some 3rd party support, better account infrastructure, the games are cross-compatible with the handheld, and it has better marketing... then yes, it could be successful.
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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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No, the Wii U's problems go beyond price. But if the NX is cheaper, has twice as many 1st party games, at least some 3rd party support, better account infrastructure, the games are cross-compatible with the handheld, and it has better marketing... then yes, it could be successful.
SirPenguin
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If taken out of context, sure, I can see your point
But given that the paragraph starts with this,
I think it becomes a lot more obvious what she's saying
Mr. Pointy
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I still think Polaris 11 is the GPU that lines up the best. Unless Nvidia have something similar.
If you only care about specs and realistic-looking explosions, then yeah, probably.
wonderful103
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If you actually care about those things beyond waving your e-peen in a destiny digital foundry thread, you're not gaming on a console period, no matter how many K's they attach to its name.
I personally think games like Mario Kart and Smash look amazing on Wii U so I expect them to do great things with something that has power comparable with the Xbox One. Sure the games won't be on par with Ratchet and Clank graphically but it's not like they'll look bad.
Indeed, but then she throws it into question in the last paragraph due to the architectural differences. Its obvious that Emily isn't a techie, and so "raw power" is a bit of a loose term that even she doesn't quite like given her apples/oranges warning near the end.
If the specs can be argued over, this is going to be a NGC, Xbox, PS2 debate again.
Unless her sources have only seen vague spec sheets, and not actually worked with dev kits, then I think it's fair to say that her comments regarding it's positioning against XBO/PS4 are telling.
If true, Nintendo will probably fail again. Unless they come with something unique that makes a different. It's different than this rumor from yesterday:
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
Ruud_Luiten
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It's Nintendo's platform. So it's up to them to deliver an healthy environment for third parties, not the other way.
Why should a 3rd-party support Nintendo? That's the question Nintendo needs to answer.
mysteriousmage09
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Xbox One was already really weak for 2013 specs, this is an utter joke for releasing in early 2017. If this is true, then Nintendo needs to stop making hardware. Third party will have nothing to do with this if the specs are really as bad as it seems.
AcademicSaucer
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I guess Nintendo decided they dont want western third parties again. Well then.
rokkerkory
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Welp... not even level of X1 is a huge mistake in 2016.
What else are you getting from this rumor? The entire purpose of her post is to discuss the power of the system.
StrongBlackVine
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People who will buy whatever hardware Nintendo makes to play their exclusives. Not being strong than a console that released 3 years earlier is a joke.
Chopper Dave
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Going off of Emily's insight it may be somewhere between X1 and PS4. I really can't muster the enthusiasm to give a shit if it's more XB1+ than PS4+. The difference between the two isn't remarkable. What the overall package offers vs the price is what I'm interested in. The WiiU hardware was a horrible value for reasons already established.
NormalFish
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if Nintendo can keep a console afloat between themselves and the japanese market (assuming we have a shared architecture, the console should benefit from success of the handheld), why should they give up the perks of being a platform holder for going 3rd party?
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2017!
If true, Nintendo will probably fail again. Unless they come with something unique that makes a different. It's different than this rumor from yesterday:
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
What is this even from?
If true, Nintendo will probably fail again. Unless they come with something unique that makes a different. It's different than this rumor from yesterday:
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
If those specs are true. they would be the specs of the Portable. The A72 can run up to 2.5 GHz within the mobile window. And up to 3GHz in larger form factor devices like a games console.
That would be a pretty powerful portable if true.
SirPenguin
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Listen, I won't claim that being underpowered was the sole reason for the WiiU and back-half Wii's failures, but it played a key role
It's much more than your glib explanation of explosions. Being underpowered drives 3rd parties away, which in turn contributes to software droughts and a greater burden on internal teams. It affects perception and 'sexiness' which in turn affects sales which in turn affect everyone.
Why is Zelda delayed a billion times? So it can release on a console that isn't a failure. Everything is connected, and this stuff matters
We can't make firm conclusions because we just don't know anything for sure, but if Nintendo is truly going the underpowered route for the 3rd time around then I think it's a major, major mistake
Probably from some random dude on a random forum that decided to shit this out from the bowels of his anus.
AcademicSaucer
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We know from a reliable source that has been right on the Nintendo CPU in the past that the NX GPU is more power than the ones on PS4 and XB1, so for this to be true it means that they fucked what, the GPU? The RAM?
Chopper Dave
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One would need to know the features and price of each to know what kind of deal it is. Also screw handhelds. Those tiny screened, battery operated bastards have held Monster Hunter hostage long enough
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Finally, a realistic rumour about the NX.
Pancake Mix
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The handheld market is barely alive outside Japan, even for Nintendo so...I'd reckon most of the NX's audience if the platform is a hit.
That Wii U flopped doesn't mean the 3DS has done well itself outside Japan post-2012.
I think with the perfect storm 3DS numbers aren't out of reach, but DS are for the handheld.
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Isn't that a little redundant? Where else is it gonna come from? What are you trying to hide
PS4 and Xbox One were already weak upon release tbh.
On the GPU part, you mean CPU right? Yeah, LCGeek has leaked Nintendo's CPU stuff since GC and said the NX looks noticeably better than the XBO and PS4 on CPU performance.
We don't know anything about other specs though.
Elfforkusu
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Hardware stuff seems pretty reasonable, though I could've written up most of that and I'm just some dude on the internet. CPU does seem slow, if that's legit I'm not sure what to make of it.If true, Nintendo will probably fail again. Unless they come with something unique that makes a different. It's different than this rumor from yesterday:
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
If it's not x86, it'll be ARM-based. ARM would make more sense for what Nintendo usually does, anyway. Also, will have minimal AAA 3rd party support as a result, but what's new?
Cartridges == SD card-ish games, like the DS/3DS. Makes sense if they're unifying the platforms. Hopefully they give publishers the option to go big (128 GB? Why not?) if they do go that route though. No excuse to lock it at 32 GB or something.
AcademicSaucer
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Yes, the CPU. Maybe Nintendo changed the specs, we know the Wii U was going to be more powerful until they changed the specs.
At this point, I could see them marketing their biggest weakness, the lack of third party ports, as a unique selling point. But in order for that to stick, Nintendo needs to seriously bolster its output, both in quantity and, unfortunately, quality lately. A new, cheapish box with a completely exclusive line-up could be a great sell, but they would have to promise at least a new release a month and a couple of VC releases. And they would need to seriously diversify their output, they can't just cater to RPG and platforms fans anymore. I think it could work, but to be honest I just can't see them committing to that.
Pancake Mix
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Nintendo does not use flash memory like SD cards. It's a special kind of ROM as it's cheaper and just as good.
Anyways, there is a reason to lock it, unfortunately. Solid state memory can get quite pricey for larger capacities. Discs are cheaper, but it's not like Nintendo can use them for a handheld unless they want to go PSP and risk no small form factor and moving parts. Mini-blu-rays wouldn't solve any storage issue either.
They'll probably max at 32 GB, or if we're lucky 64 GB. 64 GB would be perfect and since solid state memory is superior, nobody should complain.
32 GB (or worse, 16GB) would be a limiter.
128 GB is too expensive and frankly, essentially no game is that large.
If true, Nintendo will probably fail again. Unless they come with something unique that makes a different. It's different than this rumor from yesterday:
Still if they could add additional boxes to make it stronger as the competitors, it maybe doesn't matter.
Hope emily is wrong
That just looks like a mashup of various rumours and gaf-speculation.
I don't buy a july reveal though. It makes no sense to skip E3 if you're planning a reveal just a month later. I'm guessing the wait will be much longer.
Hmm... I missed this. Thanks.
Things starting to look kinda interesting....One things for sure....if the handheld uses X1....I wouldnt even blink at Sony doing another handheld unless they match this. This thing would dump all over Vita from up high...and the Vita had damn good specs.
lwilliams3
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Article:
Some posters:
That doesn't seem right.
Some posters:
That doesn't seem right.
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People said that about the Wii U in comparison to the Wii. Except back they were saying that the Wii U was more modern than the PS3, not worse.
I dunno. CPU could still remain strong while still having something akin to the Xbox.
IIRC LCgeek used something like this:
stock of the best CPUs >>>>>>>>>> NX >>>> XBO >> PS4
More or less. I forgot the exact spacing with the arrows and the name of the stock CPU.
But really, this generation absolutely sucks when it comes to CPUs. Everyone got the worst end of the deal overall. That's why some in this thread have said that anything at all can outperform the x86 Jaguar CPUs in the XBO and PS4 because they're bargain bin CPUs and were the most affordable at the time.
That was mostly due to IBM making the statement about Watson. It threw perspectives off crazy. On top of that even back before release there was sites like IGN claiming XBO was only 20% more powerful than Wii U was going to be.
cartographer
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Oh, of course 10k wants to chime in.
Pancake Mix
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Your smartphone has a better GPU than the Wii U? Are you sure? More RAM (with better bandwidth) and a better CPU I'll grant you.
Though remember, the Wii U rarely has to render resolutions as high as your smartphone either (assuming it's 1080p or higher). 720p is the standard minus Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, Wind Waker HD, and more simple stuff like Rayman. Some third party titles are sub-HD. So it's not even as simple as your smartphone being more powerful, necessarily.
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LOL. I told you guys it wasn't going to be that powerful but no. You keep on thinking Nintendo is going to produce a beast.
I seriously doubt it will be as powerful as the PS4.
I seriously doubt it will be as powerful as the PS4.
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