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[MDave]

What I can summarise so far is that there will be two devices. Home console and Handheld device. They will be different machines, but they can play roughly the same games. There won't be 1 game SKU that works on both, each will have its own library of games. Iwata mentions porting.

Controls will be about the same for both devices. A screen like the Wii U game pad is almost definitely going to be in, guessing from the port of Mario Maker that is said to be in the works for NX. Mario Maker doesn't work with a standard controller in edit mode, and would be really cumbersome if they tried to work it in. Zelda U is likely to use Gamepad touch screen features too.

The thing about the architecture Iwata is talking about is the OS layer side of things. It will make porting extremely easy and cheap, that it makes sense to release a port on the other device anyway.

There would still be work to reduce asset detail for the handheld version but if it's high spec enough, maybe just a lower resolution would be enough.

Nvidia is involved, possibly only one of the devices. Maybe both.

Iwata has said in the past it's not going to be a hybrid.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Yup

Think Ps4/Vita relationship but much better realized

At least i hope it works as well

 

[Neoxon]

They could hit 199 with a very significantly powered machine

3DS hardware was moderate at best when it came out and was further taxed by its expensive and resource hungry 3d tech

Even going with basic Nvidia mass produced chips we are still looking at almost a double generational leap in graphics and performance above 3DS specs

While you wouldn't be wrong, the handheld also has to maintain a reasonable distance in power to the console.

 

[DrROBschiz]

While you wouldn't be wrong, the handheld also has to maintain a reasonable distance in power to the console.

Why?

The gaps been closing for some time now. Maybe having them be relatively close in performance is the whole idea

Though anything running off a dedicated power supply and cooling... One would hope the console does indeed have significantly more power lol

 

[Neoxon]

Why?

The gaps been closing for some time now. Maybe having them be relatively close in performance is the whole idea

Though anything running off a dedicated power supply and cooling... One would hope the console does indeed have significantly more power lol

My point was more of that the handheld can't be too far below the console in terms of power.

 

[DrROBschiz]

My point was more of that the handheld can't be too far below the console in terms of power.

Oh of course

And these rumors appear to suggest as such

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Where is a tegra X1 compared to Xbox one? Maybe nvidia did a custom designed tegra x1.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Where is a tegra X1 compared to Xbox one? Maybe nvidia did a custom designed tegra x1.

Running at a portable scree resolution it should be more than enough power to keep us from having shit looking and performing games

 

[MDave]

Oh of course

And these rumors appear to suggest as such

Yeah. Or else there won't be much point of the ease of bridging the draught gaps with ports of one machine to another if a developer has to spend months or so to reduce assets, reprogram and retest if porting to a vastly weaker handheld. Or vice versa, but even longer to create higher quality assets for the vastly stronger home console.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Where is a tegra X1 compared to Xbox one? Maybe nvidia did a custom designed tegra x1.

500gflops roughly iirc. But nvidia gflops and AMD do not scale perfectly, so 1/2 to 3/4 an Xbox one roughly.

In the home console I hope it's either on steroids modified and with higher clocks, or a pascal Tegra, if it is at least 1 tflop I'll be happy.

If an x1 in any format in in the handheld, handheld will be a beast.

 

[MDave]

What's the third source outside of Emily and Charlie at semiaccurate?

I can't look for it at the moment, but it was posted somewhere in the Semiaccurate thread. They said they were sitting on the Nvidia news for a while, and waited to hear from another source (semiaccurate) before they posted it to confirm it.

 

[ozfunghi]

500gflops roughly iirc. In the home console I hope it's either on steroids modified and with higher clocks, or a pascal Tegra, if it is at least 1 tflop I'll be happy.

After the SemiAccurate leak, there was another journalist that claimed the chip would be Pascal based. It's not clear if that journalist was just piggybacking off the SA article and jumped to conclusions with the Pascal comment, or if he actually had new information. It's been posted in the other thread.

EDIT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203596509&postcount=392

 

[ZOONAMI]

After the SemiAccurate leak, there was another journalist that claimed the chip would be Pascal based. It's not clear if that journalist was just piggybacking on the SA article and jumped to conclusions with the Pascal comment, or if he actually had new information. It's been posted in the other thread.

Cool, pascal Tegra would be pretty dope. I would think pretty close to ps4 performance.

And hopefully nvidia licenses their pc streaming service and brings all the mobile stuff along as well.

 

[KingSnake]

So, Pascal talk was "wacky" due to information that nobody knew... Yep, not arrogant at all no sir.

So this is the thing that insulted you? She was talking about 10k insisting that he has sources for this (I assume you mean Polaris, not Pascal) not about the people who were speculating.

any NX rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” are all wacky

Unless you're and alt account for 10k or the source of the information for 10k, you shouldn't take this personal. Or at least I'm not aware of you starting any NX rumor regarding Polaris.

 

[ZOONAMI]

So this is the thing that insulted you? She was talking about 10k insisting that he has sources for this (I assume you mean Polaris, not Pascal) not about the people who were speculating.



Unless you're and alt account for 10k or the source of the information for 10k, you shouldn't take this personal. Or at least I'm not aware of you starting any NX rumor regarding Polaris.

That sentence isn't a personal attack on anyone imo, just clarification that Polaris isn't in the cards, for good reason, ie Nvidia.

 

[KingSnake]

That sentence isn't a personal attack on anyone imo, just clarification that Polaris isn't in the cards, for good reason, ie Nvidia.

I understand that but MuchoMalo seems to think that if he thought NX has a Polaris based architecture he's wacky or something and I just want to clarify that there was never about the speculations, just about rumors.

 

[MuchoMalo]

So this is the thing that insulted you? She was talking about 10k insisting that he has sources for this (I assume you mean Polaris, not Pascal) not about the people who were speculating.



Unless you're and alt account for 10k or the source of the information for 10k, you shouldn't take this personal. Or at least I'm not aware of you starting any NX rumor regarding Polaris.

Yeah, I meant Polaris. I guess it was more the "reality, not fantasy" tweet that got my nerves.

So anyway, from what's being said here Nintendo's going for the absolute lowest possible performance and power consumption, and she actually did mean that it's below Xbone and that it's a "stretch" to call it close to Xbone. If it really is a Tegra X1, anything over $150 is overpriced, with $200 being the maximum price anyone should be willing to pay... So, $250 confirmed.

 

[KingSnake]

So anyway, from what's being said here Nintendo's going for the absolute lowest possible performance and power consumption, and she actually did mean that it's below Xbone and that it's a "stretch" to call it close to Xbone. If it really is a Tegra X1, anything over $150 is overpriced, with $200 being the maximum price anyone should be willing to pay... So, $250 confirmed.

That's quite a speculation, because we don't know if it's going to be Tegra X1 or a Tegra based on Pascal (if you were ready to assume a Polaris based architecture, I don't know why you wouldn't accept the idea of a Pascal based one) and we don't know how much it can be overclocked having a good power source and fan/cooling system on top.

 

[Oersted]

Had a lengthy chat with Emily today, and she shared some information with me on all the rumor talk going on recently. Those thinking she is making stuff up for attention or that is she holding a carrot in front of you for laughs are wrong. Her sources are legit, and the claims are backed by several sources. She is sharing the information she has and is clearing the air of misinformation. It isn't being shared for attention.

She did say I could share this small bit with you: "Nvidia is involved with Nintendo's future hardware."

The thing I actually wonder is, why is it pretty much always only her?

Where are the other bloggers, news outlets...?

Expression of irritation of what the hell is going on, not doubt of her.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Since Nvidia seems to be getting out the beginnings of their Pascal lineup this summer, it would be awesome if the Nintendo handheld or home console got the benefit of getting Pascal architecture next year. It feels like it could be possible? But I don't really know such things. I guess what would be holding it back would be whether a Tegra chip or whatever their low-power solutions are would be ready by then.

 

[bachikarn]

Had a lengthy chat with Emily today, and she shared some information with me on all the rumor talk going on recently. Those thinking she is making stuff up for attention or that is she holding a carrot in front of you for laughs are wrong. Her sources are legit, and the claims are backed by several sources. She is sharing the information she has and is clearing the air of misinformation. It isn't being shared for attention.

She did say I could share this small bit with you: "Nvidia is involved with Nintendo's future hardware."

Lol, no offense, but pretty convenient that she can let us know about Nvidia after other people broke the story

 

[atbigelow]

Since Nvidia seems to be getting out the beginnings of their Pascal lineup this summer, it would be awesome if the Nintendo handheld or home console got the benefit of getting Pascal architecture next year. It feels like it could be possible? But I don't really know such things. I guess what would be holding it back would be whether a Tegra chip or whatever their low-power solutions are would be ready by then.

Pascal is definitely "leading-edge". Might be a good move for power usage. And they can use Pascal tech without balls-to-the-wall performance.

 

[ozfunghi]

Since Nvidia seems to be getting out the beginnings of their Pascal lineup this summer, it would be awesome if the Nintendo handheld or home console got the benefit of getting Pascal architecture next year. It feels like it could be possible? But I don't really know such things. I guess what would be holding it back would be whether a Tegra chip or whatever their low-power solutions are would be ready by then.

At this moment it seems like a plausible explanation to me. Industry leading chip (WSJ), modern custom chip (Emily Rogers), Tegra (SemiAccurate), Nvidia (Emily Rogers)...

Combine that with Emily Rogers "raw power" and "apples/orranges" remark, and i'd say they will be putting the next Tegra in some (custom) form in both handheld and homeconsole.

 

[TLZ]

Lol, no offense, but pretty convenient that she can let us know about Nvidia after other people broke the story

As long as it's true I don't really care, compared to all the wacky insiders we had here before. I hope this is good business for Nintendo.

 

[MuchoMalo]

That's quite a speculation, because we don't know if it's going to be Tegra X1 or a Tegra based on Pascal (if you were ready to assume a Polaris based architecture, I don't know why you wouldn't accept the idea of a Pascal based one) and we don't know how much it can be overclocked having a good power source and fan/cooling system on top.

Basically, if what Charlie is saying about Nvidia taking a lower margin is true, it only makes sense if they're going all-in with X1 to make up for the orders they couldn't make. Besides that, a Pascal-based Tegra in a console should beat Xbone, though Parker only has 6 cores which might be an issue.

At this moment it seems like a plausible explanation to me. Industry leading chip (WSJ), modern custom chip (Emily Rogers), Tegra (SemiAccurate), Nvidia (Emily Rogers)...

Combine that with Emily Rogers "raw power" and "apples/orranges" remark, and i'd say they will be putting the next Tegra in some (custom) form in both handheld and homeconsole.

Maxwell would still be industry leading compared to PS4 and Xbone since it's newer.

 

[maxcriden]

The hybrid rumor is shot down by the Iwata-san quote, but the quote doesn't at all debunk a (partly, mostly or entirely) shared library, right?

Maxwell would still be industry leading compared to PS4 and Xbone since it's newer.

Thank you. I do try.

 

[ozfunghi]

Maxwell would still be industry leading compared to PS4 and Xbone since it's newer.

I see your point but, i doubt the WSJ journalist would mistake X1 performance for a high-end PC. But maybe, it could be possible to use X1 for the handheld, and the Pascal based Tegra for the homeconsole... but wouldn't it be more interesting still to put the R&D towards one chip that could be used in both?

 

[Vena]

Had a lengthy chat with Emily today, and she shared some information with me on all the rumor talk going on recently. Those thinking she is making stuff up for attention or that is she holding a carrot in front of you for laughs are wrong. Her sources are legit, and the claims are backed by several sources. She is sharing the information she has and is clearing the air of misinformation. It isn't being shared for attention.

She did say I could share this small bit with you: "Nvidia is involved with Nintendo's future hardware."

Did you ask her to clear up that one sentence that has everyone in a tizzy?

After the SemiAccurate leak, there was another journalist that claimed the chip would be Pascal based. It's not clear if that journalist was just piggybacking off the SA article and jumped to conclusions with the Pascal comment, or if he actually had new information. It's been posted in the other thread.

EDIT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203596509&postcount=392

The only options they'd have in a handheld is a very downclocked Maxell (TX1) or jumping off from Pascal right-off (TP1). TK1 is a crapshoot. So its not unreasonable.

 

[ozfunghi]

The hybrid rumor is shot down by the Iwata-san quote, but the quote doesn't at all debunk a (partly, mostly or entirely) shared library, right?

Nothing about shared library, but read my first post on this page.

 

[KingBroly]

Nintendo really wants to reduce the duplicate titles that they release nowadays.

On Wii U/3DS, we have at least 1 of each per platform:
- DKC
- NSMB
- Mario Tennis
- Smash
- Mario Kart
- Yoshi
- Pushmo
- Mario v. DK
- Zelda Remakes (4 in total)

There's a lot of wasted resources there. Instead of 2 of each of those, you probably could've had a couple more new IP's or refreshed IP's. This is something she brought up, and it was based off of what Iwata said 2 years ago in regards to shared architecture across platforms.

 

[Doctre81]

Lol, no offense, but pretty convenient that she can let us know about Nvidia after other people broke the story

LOL she just can't catch a break. Maybe she wasn't allowed to say?

 

[MuchoMalo]

I see your point but, i doubt the WSJ journalist would mistake X1 performance for a high-end PC. But maybe, it could be possible to use X1 for the handheld, and the Pascal based Tegra for the homeconsole... but wouldn't it be more interesting still to put the R&D towards one chip that could be used in both?

If we believe Emily, we don't believe that part of the report. That description can't match a Tegra at all. And if it's one chip, it would most likely make the console half as powerful ans Xbone in the best case.

 

[NateDrake]

The thing I actually wonder is, why is it pretty much always only her?

Where are the other bloggers, news outlets...?

Expression of irritation of what the hell is going on, not doubt of her.

Trust? Information of a sensitive nature has to be handled with care. I'm certain bigger outlets know information but are remaining silent until a clearer picture comes into view.

Did you ask her to clear up that one sentence that has everyone in a tizzy?

Which sentence was that again? We talked for a very long time.

 

[ozfunghi]

Which sentence was that again? We talked for a very long time.

Raw performance closer to XBO than PS4...

meaning XBO>>NX>>>>>>PS4
or NX>>XBO>>>>>>PS4

If we believe Emily, we don't believe that part of the report. That description can't match a Tegra at all. And if it's one chip, it would most likely make the console half as powerful ans Xbone in the best case.

Fair enough... unless Tegra Pascal ends up amazeface.

 

[otakukidd]

Trust? Information of a sensitive nature has to be handled with care. I'm certain bigger outlets know information but are remaining silent until a clearer picture comes into view.


Which sentence was that again? We talked for a very long time.

It being closer to a xbox than a ps4 and how even that might be a stretch

 

[MuchoMalo]

Trust? Information of a sensitive nature has to be handled with care. I'm certain bigger outlets know information but are remaining silent until a clearer picture comes into view.


Which sentence was that again? We talked for a very long time.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.

We don't know if she's saying that it's weaker than Xbone or very slightly faster.

 

[atbigelow]

If we believe Emily, we don't believe that part of the report. That description can't match a Tegra at all. And if it's one chip, it would most likely make the console half as powerful ans Xbone in the best case.

We don't know if that report was referring to the console or handheld.

 

[NateDrake]

Raw performance closer to XBO than PS4...

meaning XBO>>NX>>>>>>PS4
or NX>>XBO>>>>>>PS4

That was how the information was relayed to her. What she reported was how it was given to her. It isn't a case of her misinterpreting or anything.

 

[KingBroly]

We don't know if she's saying that it's weaker than Xbone or very slightly faster.

It says she doesn't know where it lies, but it won't be near PS4.

 

[Doctre81]

It says she doesn't know where it lies, but it won't be near PS4.

She said not near PS4k. Not ps4.

 

[MuchoMalo]

That was how the information was relayed to her. What she reported was how it was given to her. It isn't a case of her misinterpreting or anything.

So, those were essentially the exact words she was given?

Either way, if the console is using a Pascal Tegra, based on my calculations unless the TDP is higher than TX1's it'll be a good 5-15% slower than Xbone. So, I guess that explains that/

 

[ozfunghi]

That was how the information was relayed to her. What she reported was how it was given to her. It isn't a case of her misinterpreting or anything.

In that case i take back what i said, but she should be more clear about what information she has litterally been given (if allowed to share) and not lump it in with other remarks about not blowing any other consoles away except WiiU, because it comes over as her interpretation. She (and others such as 10k) should bring news/leaks in a clear format. Like "this is the info i was given and allowed to share" (and not mix in own interpretations or opinions), and "these are my thoughts regarding the information".

 

[Astral Dog]

Rmily said the NX specs were "good" whatever that means

 

[Malus]

Rmily said the NX specs were "good" whatever that means

If the NX turns out to be sub-PS4 level (or sub-Xbone level as some fear), then that comment must have come from someone with very low expectations lol. As in, "at least it's not a complete disaster."

From a marketing perspective anything worse than PS4 is pretty disastrous though.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Raw performance closer to XBO than PS4...

meaning XBO>>NX>>>>>>PS4
or NX>>XBO>>>>>>PS4



Fair enough... unless Tegra Pascal ends up amazeface.

You're saying XBO is more powerful than PS4? lol

 

[Proelite]

Rmily said the NX specs were "good" whatever that means

Echoing the sentiments of Devs that were there for the Wii U launch.

 

[-Horizon-]

You're saying XBO is more powerful than PS4? lol

I don't think that's what they mean. Ps4 is at the top. They're just trying to make a visual range. Don't interpret the ">" sign as ps4 being on the bottom.

 

[ozfunghi]

You're saying XBO is more powerful than PS4? lol

Yes, the XBO CPU is more powerful!

Spoiler

Obviously, that was not what i was saying.

 

[Plinko]

Echoing the sentiments of Devs that were there for the Wii U launch.

Devs were saying this before the Wii U devkits came in with reduced power compared to specs initially given to devs (as confirmed by devs on here). Once devkits came out, Arkam was quite clear it wasn't good.

 

[Proelite]

Devs were saying this before the Wii U devkits came in with reduced power compared to specs initially given to devs (as confirmed by devs on here). Once devkits came out, Arkam was quite clear it wasn't good.

I meant they were good compared to competitors vs the Wii U vs competitors.