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Uncharted 4 by far the most successful launch in the series in the UK

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EGM1966

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BleedOrange said:
While I agree with you on principal isn't Uncharted 4 an example of what a studio can do to continue a franchise that has 'stopped on a high'? Didn't U3 both wrap up the franchise and become a critical success?

I'm not saying Halo 5 has done this. I'm as disappointed in it's campaign as others are. But saying that you should end a hugely successful franchise just because it has had it's original trilogy wrapped up simply doesn't make sense, especially in light of this news.
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I'm dating you wrap it up when the creative team days "done" which is what I believe ND have stayed.

Halo is an example of a franchise continuing past that point for commercial reasons only with a new creative team in place just to keep it going.

That almost always leads to dinishing returns.

Hence if ND are saying "done" I'm saying then leave it don't assign s new team just to carry it on until it's milked dry.
 
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EGM1966

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The Artisan said:
commercially? i thought halo 4 broke halo 3's sales records. i could be wrong though.
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Maybe launch ones but so far as I'm aware for total sales, online longevity etc Halo 3 was the peak for the franchise.

Since then while the initial buy in might have been bigger on occasion from the core the overall demand has dropped as the franchise sheds previous players who're no longer interested who are not being replaced by new fans.
 
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EvB

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That's roughly 2X what Tomb raider Sold, on a console that has sold twice as many.

Where are all the BOMBA threads and articles?
 
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BadWolf

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Omnistalgic said:
That's a cool idea in concept and games like Mario, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers are great examples. But those titles are purely gameplay experiences, Sony would have to figure out how to emulate that with something like Uncharted. I mean, even if you go back to Francis Drake, new time period, or whatever, it's still a narrative driven game. I dunno if it's possible. GT is like the only original Sony IP still alive from PS era. They have so much stuff dormant.
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But at the same time they create new IPs regularly which is excellent, I much prefer that to endless milking of old IPs.
 
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jelly

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The Artisan said:
commercially? i thought halo 4 broke halo 3's sales records. i could be wrong though.
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No, it was just carefully worded PR to make it sound more successful than it actually was.

They said Halo 4” is now the best-selling Microsoft Studios title ever in the U.S. market*, surpassing its predecessor, “Halo 3” for sales during each respective launch year.

So, I gather it did well the first year or was it only Nov/Dec as respective launch year? Only in the US. They've never talked about the sales since much like everything these days with Xbox because sales aren't good.
 
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Obliterator

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What makes that 66% increase over Uncharted 3 so impressive is digital has grown hugely in the past 2 years. They make up anywhere between 20 - 30% of game sales now so if we include digital it's quite a bit more than 66% bigger than Uncharted 3
 
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EvB

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Obliterator said:
What makes that 66% increase over Uncharted 3 so impressive is digital has grown hugely in the past 2 years. They make up anywhere between 20 - 30% of game sales now so if we include digital it's quite a bit more than 66% bigger than Uncharted 3
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20-30%?
I've yet to see anything that suggests more than 15%
 
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jelly

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EGM1966 said:
I'm dating you wrap it up when the creative team days "done" which is what I believe ND have stayed.

Halo is an example of a franchise continuing past that point for commercial reasons only with a new creative team in place just to keep it going.

That almost always leads to dinishing returns.

Hence if ND are saying "done" I'm saying then leave it don't assign s new team just to carry it on until it's milked dry.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with continuing a series if you do something good with it and offer new experiences. 343 dragging the Covenant back and never missed you Chief, expanding the universe/lore to accommodate only universe ending plots, retconning, ruining characters just to still have them around sucks. More Halo is great but when you can't match or better a Bungie campaign and can't tell a good story, you're doing it wrong.
 
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leeh

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NoMoreTrolls said:
Based Leeh with the digital stats :)
Forgot about that thread
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I'm the hero GAF deserves, but not one one it needs right now.

I want to take this time to congratulate ND with UC4. Very well done to them. Also, kudos for them moving onto different IP after pulling numbers like this. Good integrity.
 
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Obliterator

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EvB said:
20-30%?
I've yet to see anything that suggests more than 15%
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15% was quite a while back. It's 20-30% and climbing and usually closer to that 30% than the 20%. We are seeing an increase of about 5-10% growth annually. We'll be at 50% by the end of generation or very close to it.

EA is at 30-32%

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=12173

Capcom is at 26%

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1216582

Ubisoft is at 23% but at 32% with deferred revenue

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1218093

I can provide more if you like
 
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Dinjooh

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Obliterator said:
15% was quite a while back. It's 20-30% and climbing and usually closer to that 30% than the 20%. We are seeing an increase of about 5-10% growth annually. We'll be at 50% by the end of generation or very close to it.

EA is at 30-32%

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=12173

Capcom is at 26%

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1216582

Ubisoft is at 23% but at 32% with deferred revenue

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1218093

I can provide more if you like
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Have we heard anything from the big 3?
 
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Obliterator

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Dinjooh said:
Have we heard anything from the big 3?
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Nah not really. The only hints we have are MS saying Halo 5 had the best digital rate of any 1st party games they've launched, and then Nintendo every once in a while will give digital sales of a specific game but we don't have their overall digital ratio. Sony hasn't addressed it too much other than in their financial reports the total amount of revenue generated across all of PSN.

But yep no solid ratios for them. It's more than likely they are in line with the rest of the industry though so 20-30% is a safe bet for most titles.
 
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borghe

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Exis said:
I wonder if the game is actually profitable, I mean it probally cost 200+ million and assuming they get half the MSRP it is only 75 million so far.
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so we're not even going to attempt math or accuracy.. huh..
 
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sense

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Obliterator said:
Nah not really. The only hints we have are MS saying Halo 5 had the best digital rate of any 1st party games they've launched, and then Nintendo every once in a while will give digital sales of a specific game but we don't have their overall digital ratio. Sony hasn't addressed it too much other than in their financial reports the total amount of revenue generated across all of PSN.

But yep no solid ratios for them. It's more than likely they are in line with the rest of the industry though so 20-30% is a safe bet for most titles.
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yea they are not going boast about those figures as long as they have hardware to sell
 
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dabig2

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Ravage said:
Not only was the TR figure wrong (42k so UC4 outsold RoTR more than 4.5 times), but I'm also pretty certain the UK PS4:Bone ratio isn't 2:1.
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Yeah, PS4 is outselling it by a bit but definitely not doubling it up in sales in the UK. The UK (along with the USA) isn't like the rest of the world. XOne still is doing decent in sales in these regions.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/game-ps4-and-xbox-one-install-bases-surpasses-5-1m-in-the-uk/0164453
According to the above, it was 3 million PS4 to 2.4 million XOnes as recently as March this year.
 
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The Artisan

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EGM1966 said:
Maybe launch ones but so far as I'm aware for total sales, online longevity etc Halo 3 was the peak for the franchise.

Since then while the initial buy in might have been bigger on occasion from the core the overall demand has dropped as the franchise sheds previous players who're no longer interested who are not being replaced by new fans.
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halo 3 is probably just the peak of the series in general, all things considered. to date halo 4 has sold what, 10 million?
jelly said:
No, it was just carefully worded PR to make it sound more successful than it actually was.
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sounds like the same thing they've been doing for halo 5 eh? :\

They said Halo 4” is now the best-selling Microsoft Studios title ever in the U.S. market*, surpassing its predecessor, “Halo 3” for sales during each respective launch year.

So, I gather it did well the first year or was it only Nov/Dec as respective launch year? Only in the US. They've never talked about the sales since much like everything these days with Xbox because sales aren't good.
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this was still back in the 360 days though. but it seems you're right, i don't see a sales figure for this game.
Triggerhappytel said:
It had a bigger start but a much shorter tail, as I recall.
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probably it, then.
 
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SnowFlakeCake

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I'm in the UK but bought it on Canada PSN, the U.K. PSN prices are nothing short of a joke, I seriously don't know why anyone would buy off such a store. It's probably safe to say the game including PSN sales passed 200k sales in the UK which is decent.

It's a good game so happy for its sales, doesn't hold a candle to TLOU but then again not many other games do.
 
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Omnistalgic

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BadWolf said:
But at the same time they create new IPs regularly which is excellent, I much prefer that to endless milking of old IPs.
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No doubt I prefer it too. But Sony has games that could have been used for new gameplay idea like Mario or Zelda. I mean, Crash Bandicoot is a "bandicoot" it makes no sense lol. He could've been used much the same as Mario.

Sony has IP like that.

Medieval
Twisted Metal
Formerly Crash
Wipeout
Warhawk
Little Big Planet

Etc...these are heavily gameplay focused titles, no one is going to be up in arms about them being milked because hey will always feel fresh with the new gameplay ideas from each iteration. This is one thing Nintendo does right, and I think Sony could use a few more ever green titles as well. There's just no reason not to use popular IP if it's in your best interest to do so.
 
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Shin-Ra

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Exis said:
I wonder if the game is actually profitable, I mean it probally cost 200+ million and assuming they get half the MSRP it is only 75 million so far.
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BleedOrange said:
Why? Halo 5 is making money hand over fist. I follow it pretty closely and it seems to be a huge success monetarily.
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EvB said:
That's roughly 2X what Tomb raider Sold, on a console that has sold twice as many.

Where are all the BOMBA threads and articles?
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Literally laughing out loud right now.
 
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Purdy

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Generally have ignored any sales threads due to the xbox and playstation fannys but digital sales are actually accounting for a lot of the sales now? Lots of people were getting shut down a few months ago that they were adding quite a bit?
 
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Omnistalgic

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Purdy said:
Generally have ignored any sales threads due to the xbox and playstation fannys but digital sales are actually accounting for a lot of the sales now? Lots of people were getting shut down a few months ago that they were adding quite a bit?
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No people were saying digital makes up a ton of sales when it hasn't been over 30% for some of the biggest digital attach rates in the industry.

It's significant, it's just not 90% lol
 
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