Hexa
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Man. I was barely getting used to the concept of the Neo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ
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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on
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Like Destiny? And I responded to that with the BO3 example of developers not giving a shit about last gen and pushing out any old shit just to make a quick buck, same thing will happen here once the Scorpio install base takes off and they start focusing on Scorpio. Just because a game has a cap of 60FPS doesn't mean the game actually runs at 60FPS. Well the Scorpio version might, lol.
That's 8 full-priced games, my friend.
Even every 3-4 years is too much for me. I know I don't have to and all that, I just don't see the point. But for those that want to drop hundreds on a new system that often, then more power to them, I guess.
but what ghz and CUs and RAMS extra does it take for it to go the extra 0.5.
How did they get to 360 and then go back?
DeepEnigma
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Both your 'examples' are not cross platform play. Thus they have no bearing on your argument/concern.
All these new consoles are like a dream come true for fanboys and comparison sites like Digital Foundry and NX Gamer.
People will be desperate to know which version runs the best/has the best grass etc. The comparision videos will be endless ;-)
Yes indeed, same here.
Oh boy. Here we go again.
Voost Kain
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I never said $300. He did.
Game debate says that PC can run the game "well" at low at 30fps. Since Qunatum break does move nicely before hitting slide shows on a laptop I tested it on which is weaker than this laptop, I believe it can run it.
Now keep in mind I did not say 1080p fps, with advanced textures and shaders. We are talking the lowest settings.
I'm with ya. I'm hoping its longer too, but I doubt it. And gaming is one of my favorite hobbies so at 4 years I may bite, at least on whichever console I play more. But, they are definitely going to lose some people, like yourself, if this is the route they choose.
Oh, definitely. If you think fanboyism and loyalist are bad now, the division this will cause is way worse. Hell, it may force some people who use to buy from all brands to have to become a loyalist themselves. Not many will spend so much, so often. This is the beginning of the end for one of these former power players.
what?
I said $400 not $300. I just don't believe you
Stilton Disco
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I've got to wonder just how much this is costing them to develop and manufacture, and whether the money they'll make from the US and UK will be enough to make it back.
Overall, I'm very sceptical about whether any of this will work. They're very late to the media stick and set top box markets, and I'm not sure the few Xbox exclusive games those devices will offer will be enough to compete against the established names of Amazon Fire, Apple, Rhromecast and Roku.
The Xbox Slim is as dead in the water as the Xbox One, so that's neither here nor there, but the Two, that could go either way.
If they can position it as a Surface like, high end, entry level gaming PC with an Xbox 'pick up and play' level of simplicity built in to it, then it could be a damned fine product, and finally deliver on the promises of Steam Machines.
If it's just another new Xbox, but potentially even more off puttingly expensive than the XO was, that's going to be hilarious in a slow train wreck kind of way.
Overall, I'm very sceptical about whether any of this will work. They're very late to the media stick and set top box markets, and I'm not sure the few Xbox exclusive games those devices will offer will be enough to compete against the established names of Amazon Fire, Apple, Rhromecast and Roku.
The Xbox Slim is as dead in the water as the Xbox One, so that's neither here nor there, but the Two, that could go either way.
If they can position it as a Surface like, high end, entry level gaming PC with an Xbox 'pick up and play' level of simplicity built in to it, then it could be a damned fine product, and finally deliver on the promises of Steam Machines.
If it's just another new Xbox, but potentially even more off puttingly expensive than the XO was, that's going to be hilarious in a slow train wreck kind of way.
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Mass Effect
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I doubt it.
I think this is the card: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html
Spoiler: It's bad.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
For them...
Sounds like a scarier utopian fear people had with 'always on/always listening', lol.
I'm Spartacus
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While I am not currently against the idea of iterative consoles (I really need MS/Sony/Nintendo to spell out what the plan is and how they plan to do it), I really cant see how any of the new tech like Neo/Scorpio will launch at what is perceived as a "consumer" price.
The argument will be that you dont have to upgrade but I am not confident at this stage that if you don't upgrade you will very quickly be hung out to dry with shitty ports and mass-downgrades and concessions. Each of them will say otherwise but I remain highly sceptical that non-upgraders get little more than a year of that platform being the "lead" platform.
The argument will be that you dont have to upgrade but I am not confident at this stage that if you don't upgrade you will very quickly be hung out to dry with shitty ports and mass-downgrades and concessions. Each of them will say otherwise but I remain highly sceptical that non-upgraders get little more than a year of that platform being the "lead" platform.
Dreamgazer
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Just imagine the ToS policy they'll come up.
It would be nearly impossible for any of the console holders to have a yearly upgrade.
BO3 was just an example of them not giving a shit about the weaker hardware and putting out anything to make a quick buck, and that's how it's gonna go down when the Scorpio releases, maybe not straight away but eventually once the Scorpio install base takes over and they start focusing on that, while putting out any old shit for the launch xbox one because they have to, even if it means running at half the FPS as the Scorpio one.
When they start increasing graphical fidelity for the Scorpio, you think they're gonna downgrade all the graphics to make launch xbox one look garbage? No, they'll use the roughly the same graphics at a lower resolution and lower frame rate since it won't be able to handle those graphics as smoothly as the Scorpio, eventually getting to the point where the framerate is garbage because they're trying to keep up with the graphics on Xbox scorpio.
//DEVIL//
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"Microsoft plans to move towards an incremental model, with more frequent hardware releases and games that are both forwards and backwards compatible across both Windows 10 and different Xbox models.""
fucking fucking fucking finally. this is what I wanted from consoles since forever. now I know I can play my games even if I bought a new console.
I can't stress how much I am happy with this news. day fucking one if its true. and I hope this Forces Sony to do the same.
Enough of this BS rebuying games I already own so I can play them on PS4 ( yes I am talking to you PS2 classics and PS3 remasters ) what a fucking rip off.
fucking fucking fucking finally. this is what I wanted from consoles since forever. now I know I can play my games even if I bought a new console.
I can't stress how much I am happy with this news. day fucking one if its true. and I hope this Forces Sony to do the same.
Enough of this BS rebuying games I already own so I can play them on PS4 ( yes I am talking to you PS2 classics and PS3 remasters ) what a fucking rip off.
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Interesting. Xbox and PS will have iterative consoles it seems. As long as all games are playable on X1 and PS4 then it´s all good.
SweetJohnnyCage
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Every developer's nightmare.
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NEO this fall and Scorpio next fall sounds about right. If Sony were to release an iterative model of PS4 there's no doubt in my mind MS would follow with their own iterative hardware. MS has been following Sony's lead for years now.
I agree, it's a busy market but there is two key factors that the Xbox console has always excelled at, variety of streaming apps way ahead of others during the 360 era and doesn't play favourites. While Amazon begrudgingly has Netflix, it doesn't have others whereas Xbox has always welcomed everyone. Remains to be seen if that plays with a streaming stick but that's what I always liked about Xbox streaming.
Wat. There is no forcing sony. That is he plan for the neo.
Voost Kain
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The games run different why is that hard for you to get through? I feel like you are picking what to read.
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Developers nightmare is not getting paid. This would actually allow them to make money longer on good games if you can buy a classic 12 years later without any extra coding required.
what?
IGN and Arstechnica are both running with this news.
Arstechnica:
more here: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...g-multiple-xbox-upgrades-over-next-two-years/
IGN:
IGN's article here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05...-coming-in-2016-more-powerful-scorpio-in-2017
Arstechnica:
more here: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...g-multiple-xbox-upgrades-over-next-two-years/
IGN:
IGN's article here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05...-coming-in-2016-more-powerful-scorpio-in-2017
And what really baffles me here on Gaf is that many are saying that spending more on hw over time is ok. Now imagine the prices of AAA games being raised by 10$. Meltdowns! Shouldn't the money go where it truely belongs? Games! Imagine how much better the software development would run if the market accepted a 10-20$ raise instead of people spending 400$ every 3-4 years instead of every 5-6 years. That's what I call double standards. People praise this whole thing as some kind of modern revolution. How is having plattform-holders gating away entertainment content modern? Oh I really hope this will eventually lead to gaming-as-a-service - a one box plays all scenario.
Come on, that's nonsense. I would have loved it if they did follow them this generation though!
What does that have to do with the tools? Games run differently on every graphics card but PCs still exist.
I feel like you are being obtuse on purpose.
Where does Nintendo fall in all of this? Kind of looks like Sony and MS are squeezing them out of the .5 upgrade game.
It doesn't even have a 1080p screen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WdGx8O3Vc8
Here is a video of one running Fallout 4 at low settings at 72p with 15-20FPS.
oh dear.
Voost Kain
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoMyU0sai3Q
The game runs with this set up, which is not that far off from the one that laptop is running.
DeepEnigma
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"The sky is falling!"
On a side note...
Some do not want us to compare this to cell phones as far as same ecosystem, people have no issues waiting or upgrading often, yet they don't want to denounce the 'yearly iteration' argument of fear/concern either. Fancy that one, eh?
THE:MILKMAN
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If the plan for both Sony and Microsoft is to do upgrades every 3rd year say then surely explaining things on the biggest stage in E3 is a must.
Them both doing what they've done in the past with slims of announcing them 2-4 weeks before going on sale would be a disaster?
Them both doing what they've done in the past with slims of announcing them 2-4 weeks before going on sale would be a disaster?
