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Wired: Phil Spencer Interview (Scorpio and VR)

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bede-x

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Saitama said:
A GTX 980 isn't going 4K gaming.
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Max settings and 60fps? No, but at lowered settings and frame rate, it can do some 4k gaming:

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Linkyn

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Sounds promising. I'm still suspicious of how genuine their efforts for BC really are, and therein lies the crux of the issue. If you can still play your old (digital and physical) games on the new system, at least you won't be penalised for upgrading, and vice-versa if new games still always work on the old system. Right now, so much is purely theoretical or conceptual, which ties back into my feelings that this announcement came a bit too soon, since the people in charge aren't really in a position to share information beyond rough hardware specs.
 
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Paz

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gofreak said:
I don't think that's what he means. I think he means bringing today's console-like graphics to VR (e.g. bringing today's 1080p or sub 1080p/30 console level of quality up to 1080p+/90+).
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Yes he means bringing something like Uncharted 4 to VR would require Scorpio like specs to hit high res dual screens at 90fps, PS4VR is an amazing experience as is but it's definitely not the visual fidelity of current high end games.

With Scorpio being VR compliant I really have to wonder about exclusive software though, you obviously can't release a VR game on the current XB1 or XB1 S so the concept of exclusive software must exist to some degree right?
 
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Spirited

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RowdyReverb said:
I think he was just using the 980 as an example of a high end GPU. I don't think he literally meant they're putting a 980 equivalent in there
"It’s kind of like a [GeForce GTX] 980 card on the PC" (emphasis mine)
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I think he is from the information we've got lol
You know the release of the AMD r480 for $200 which is already almost at 980 level is anything to say about it.

Also what's with the thinking about this being high end stuff in the end of 2017? It'll probably be equivalent to the AMD r580 or less than that even.

harSon said:
Isn't Scorpio's gpu power close to that of a GTX 1070 if its rated at over 6tflops?
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To begin with, compare to AMD Flops, thanks. second 1070 is 6,5 Tflops IIRC.

So, no.
 
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The Baron Count

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Arkanius said:
Don't forget that the target for consoles is 30 fps not 60.
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I'm curious as to what is required to run current PC titles at console equivalent settings at 4K 30FPS right now.

The 1080 seems to be able to max pretty much everything out and run a bit above 30 in most titles but not 60 just yet. I imagine to get a 980 to run a game at 30FPS and 4K you would need to lower the settings below console equivalent settings. Assuming there even was a way to match console settings exactly. Would vary game to game obviously though.
 
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Three

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Monty Mole said:
No, he's just saying they can't provide current-gen console like graphics in VR. Which is obviously a fact.
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That would make no sense. What would be the point of mentioning the PS4 and xbox one can't do that then? Of course the consoles right now couldn't do VR with the same graphics as a game that isn't VR. That would be true even next gen.

“the capability and the hardware spec that they need to deliver a console-like experience to VR was a requirement of 6 teraflops, which clearly, today’s consoles—PlayStation 4 and Xbox One—don’t have.”
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Paz

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harSon said:
Isn't Scorpio's gpu power close to that of a GTX 1070 if its rated at over 6tflops?
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AMD flops and Nvidia flops have never worked out the same in real world game benchmarks on PC but it's anyone's guess how this will play out in a real world fall 2017 console.

My money would definitely be on 'no' though.
 
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LAA

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Cool feel happier about this. They don't want to make a console every 1/2 years. I thought this was what we were getting into. If it's just for every "need", then totally happy with that.
 
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Rupe

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So considering what they're saying, what are the predictions for the price point of this thing? 600$?
 
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CyberPunked

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bede-x said:
Max settings and 60fps? No, but at lowered settings and frame rate, it can do some 4k gaming:

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Well, yeah. You lower the visuals enough and anything will run at 4K. But wouldn't you prefer much better visuals at 1080p 60fps, than bad visuals with a good IQ?
 
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harSon

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DeepEnigma said:
Where are you getting this 'over' from?
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I've read it at several places:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10418...-backwards-compatible-with-xbox-zen-or-jaguar
This news piece contains speculation, and suggests silicon implementation based on released products and roadmaps.The only elements confirmed for Project Scorpio are the eight cores, >6 TFLOPs, 320 GB/s, it's built by AMD, and it is coming in 2017. If anyone wants to officially correct any speculation, please get in touch.

In the presentation, Microsoft states that the Project Scorpio SoC will have eight cores, up to 320 GB/s of memory bandwidth, and over 6 TeraFLOPs of power. To put this into context, this is more processing power than the recently announced AMD RX 480 GPU using a GCN 4 based architecture, set to be launched later this month. Microsoft specifically announced that Project Scorpio is to be launched next year, which puts a few things together worth mentioning.
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Saty

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Dunno of it's an interpretation of what Spencer's saying or a rephrasing but Wired write that:
So even though future Xbox games will be compatible with all the Xbox One systems, the VR games will likely be Scorpio-exclusive.
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Barzul

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CyberPunked said:
Well, yeah. You lower the visuals enough and anything will run at 4K. But wouldn't you prefer much better visuals at 1080p 60fps, than bad visuals with a good IQ?
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Battlefield medium on PC is more than likely better than whatever shipped on Xbox or PS4. Not seeing what the issue is, no one is expecting this thing to max out games at 4k with top of the line graphics and framerate. No single graphics card on the market can do that consistently much less a console.
 
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creatchee

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Onemic said:
They really gotta stop talking about 4K gaming. Scorpio wont be able to do 4K. The best graphics cards today cant even average 60 frames in 4K. A 980 struggles with 30 fps in 4K.
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Microsoft: "We're making 4K games. Here are some devs talking about it."

GAF: "You're all lying liars!!!"
 
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bede-x

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CyberPunked said:
Well, yeah. You lower the visuals enough and anything will run at 4K. But wouldn't you prefer much better visuals at 1080p 60fps, than bad visuals with a good IQ?
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Absolutely. I'm hoping we see more 1080p/60fps games. Don't care about 4k gaming. I was just pointing out that it can be done in some cases with a GTX 980.
 
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VinFTW

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343 are wizards, so I fully expect a 4K 60FPS Halo 6.

I can see if they use typical "medium" settings, we can easily see 4K, 60FPS titles.
 
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The Baron Count

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Barzul said:
Battlefield medium on PC is more than likely better than whatever shipped on Xbox or PS4. Not seeing what the issue is, no one is expecting this thing to max out games at 4k with top of the line graphics and framerate. No single graphics card on the market can do that consistently much less a console.
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I doubt that very much. Most console games seem to run with many settings on high. One of the only cases I can think of where the console version was medium across the board was Quantum Break which is just a mess on PC anyway.
 
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Nirolak

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“Consumer expectation is that, if you wanted to, you could go buy a new cell phone every year. I don’t want to get into that mode with a console,” Spencer says. “I see the next inflection point as 4K, and I want to make sure we have a console there to support that, and Scorpio will do that. We’re not on a hardware tick-tock that says I need to put out a console every two years or every one year to get people to upgrade. That’s not the console model.”
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So every three years it is.
 
formasymphonic

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ironcreed said:
jbug617 said:
http://www.wired.com/2016/06/xbox-vr...social_twitter

Don't expect a cell-phone model for Xbox:

“Consumer expectation is that, if you wanted to, you could go buy a new cell phone every year. I don’t want to get into that mode with a console,” Spencer says. “I see the next inflection point as 4K, and I want to make sure we have a console there to support that, and Scorpio will do that. We’re not on a hardware tick-tock that says I need to put out a console every two years or every one year to get people to upgrade. That’s not the console model.”
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this means nothing other than that it won't be every 1 or 2 years. it could just be every 3 or 3.5 if they can find marketing ways to justify it.

4k and VR are just what they are using for this one.
 
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Noobcraft

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DeepEnigma said:
Did he? Thought he said, "that is why we are giving 6TF of performance".
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I watched again and I must have misremembered. The spec isn't fixed though at this point so it wouldn't surprise me if they upticked things like they did with the xb1 if devs want it.
 
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Garrett 2U

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Software designed for a console is able to squeeze much more performance out of the given hardware as it is specifically designed for that configuration.

So take that into consideration when discussing the capability of your 980 graphics card.
 
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TheRed

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Doubt many games will actually run at 4K. I don't like that MS and Sony keep talking it up when even a gtx 1080 can't play consistently at 4K in games right now let alone future games. It'll be 4K capable for some things like maybe Call of Duty if they stay focused on it running really well without having the most amazing graphics, I could see CoD with how it looks now running at 4K.
 
Jigolo

Jigolo

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We'll see how it pans out but hardware doesn't seem ready for 4K. I'm curious of the performance and the effects of the games using it. Expect Scorpio 2 in 2020
 
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Monty Mole

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Three said:
That would make no sense. What would be the point of mentioning the PS4 and xbox one can't do that then? Of course the consoles right now couldn't do VR with the same graphics as a game that isn't VR. That would be true even next gen.
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He mentioned it because he's justifying the existence of new hardware so early in the XBO life-cycle to the interviewer. Come on, you know that.

And Sony would be saying the same things about Neo if they didn't have their own VR platform launching this year for their existing console.
 
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TheLegendOfMart

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Why are people expecting 4K Ultra detail at 60fps. Current consoles run medium detail equivalent to PC games and the Polaris GPU (RX480 or derivative) is more or less GTX980 level of power for $200 means 4k 30fps at similar or slightly better fidelity than current consoles is more than achievable.
 
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In Service

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Monty Mole said:
He mentioned it because he's justifying the existence of new hardware so early in the XBO life-cycle to the interviewer. Come on, you know that.

And Sony would be saying the same things about Neo if they didn't have their own VR platform launching this year for their existing console.
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Don't bring PR tactics into this thread!

Interview was good. I do want to hear more about the VR tie up. As a non-PC owner I haven't been following the VR hardware and I want to know what Phil wants me to buy so I don't disappoint the boss.
 
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ironcreed

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formasymphonic said:
this means nothing other than that it won't be every 1 or 2 years. it could just be every 3 or 3.5 if they can find marketing ways to justify it.

4k and VR are just what they are using for this one.
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So, just ignore what he says and be as cynical as possible? I'll pass. Anyway, every 4 years works for me, so even if it was every 3.5, then I would be okay because I don't buy systems at launch anyway.
 
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IXI FalcoN

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I think it would be great if when Scorpio launches that you have multiple presets to choose from. Some may be happy with 4k/30 on some combination of medium or high settings, some may wish to go 1080p/60 with ultra settings. Best of both worlds.

This could also help sell the console. A lot of people will look at Scorpio and go "I don't have a 4k TV, I'll just stick with what I have", but if you can tell them they'll get a significant performance boost even on their 1080p TVs, that will drive sales.

Love their VR position. Open it up to Vive, Oculus, etc. and let the consumer shop for their VR platform. Appeals to current VR owners and MS benefits from not having to shoulder the burden of developing their own competing product.
 
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shoreu

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IXI FalcoN said:
I think it would be great if when Scorpio launches that you have multiple presets to choose from. Some may be happy with 4k/30 on some combination of medium or high settings, some may wish to go 1080p/60 with ultra settings. Best of both worlds.

This could also help sell the console. A lot of people will look at Scorpio and go "I don't have a 4k TV, I'll just stick with what I have", but if you can tell them they'll get a significant performance boost even on their 1080p TVs, that will drive sales.

Love their VR position. Open it up to Vive, Oculus, etc. and let the consumer shop for their VR platform. Appeals to current VR owners and MS benefits from not having to shoulder the burden of developing their own competing product.
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yeah i'm not really in a position to be buying a 4k tv but if 1080 60fps on all games is an option i'm down.
 
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In Service

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shoreu said:
yeah i'm not really in a position to be buying a 4k tv but if 1080 60fps on all games is an option i'm down.
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I can, but I like the idea of the 1080 60fps option. I don't notice the difference much with all of the "p"s but throw me some fps and I'd notice.

Could we get better smoke and particles at 1080p/60fps too?
 
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