People need to realize that you don't buy a Nintendo console for the CoD's or the Fifa's or the Battlefields. You'll already be part of an xbox or PS ecosystem for that.
You buy a Nintendo console for the Nintendo games.
Can Nintendo make a Neo-like device in early 2017? Yes. Should they do such a device? No. Everyone hoping for a Neo or Scorpio contender is plain deluded in terms of Nintendo.
Now we're back to consoles sold, wondered how long it would take. What does the number of PS4's sold have to do with NX, if Nintendo aims for a cheaper system that could very well seen as a companion device? It boils down to one thing, returning to sales pre-Wii/Wii U, which would already be an improvement. Coupled with some smart business decisions like not selling at a loss and a more steady flow of content due to the streamlining of development.
And honestly, i'm fine with you not going more in depth, as your thinking is heavily flawed and disregarding/ignoring facts and information.
Nintendo will do whatever they want to do if it flops because they're stubborn and rich as fuck.
I disagree. I think the Wii is more than "lightning in a bottle". That's disingenuous and implies it was sheer luck. Nintendo can have a successful device and it's illogical to just assume otherwise. Declines 15+ years ago are irrelevant within the context of the here and now.
A flawed narrative doesnt have a clear downward slope in hardware sales as its basis. A flawed narrative is pointing to the one anomaly and saying "that again plz!".
No offense, but you are the one being disingenuous here. We are talking about a clear and present decline in every single Nintendo home console since their first one in 1983, other than the one console wedged in between their two lowest selling consoles ever. Two of their last three consoles have been their lowest selling of all time.
Call it what you want, the Wii doesn't represent Nintendo's strength in the home console space or what to expect going forward. Besides, you can be both lucky and smart. Whether Nintendo was lucky, smart or both doesn't change how the Wii should be viewed in context to Nintendo's history in the home console space.
That's not how business works.
With regards to the hybrid discussion, a single device doing everything doesn't strike me as the answer. Its simply not feasible from a tech/cost standpoint, they would be better off with just a handheld than trying some weird Frankenstein thing.
As for "what if the NX flops", I don't expect Nintendo to drop out of hardware quite yet even if that does happen. Maybe they just accept a lesser roll in the market, or maybe all of the licensing and stuff going on outside of traditional gaming will sustain them, and maybe support their hardware business.
You're arguing with someone who in a media create thread tried to excuse poor Nintendo sales because the weather was too hot.
You can't reason with him.
With regards to the hybrid discussion, a single device doing everything doesn't strike me as the answer. Its simply not feasible from a tech/cost standpoint, they would be better off with just a handheld than trying some weird Frankenstein thing.
The anomaly is that NES, DS, and Wii (and also the Game Boy) were the only platforms where Nintendo was really reaching for an audience outside of existing gamers.
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You're arguing with someone who in a media create thread tried to excuse poor Nintendo sales because the weather was too hot.
You can't reason with him.
No offense, but you are the one being disingenuous here. We are talking about a clear and present decline in every single Nintendo home console since their first one in 1983, other than the one console wedged in between their two lowest selling consoles ever. Two of their last three consoles have been their lowest selling of all time.
Call it what you want, the Wii doesn't represent Nintendo's strength in the home console space or what to expect going forward. Besides, you can be both lucky and smart. Whether Nintendo was lucky, smart or both doesn't change how the Wii should be viewed in context to Nintendo's history in the home console space.
Which all had in common the fact of existing before everyone and their grandmother had a smartphone and/or tablet to satisfy any casual gaming itch they got.
That's not how diligent business works. But a company in the wrong hands can do whatever dumb decisions it pleases
And that's why they're making smartphone and tablet games now.
But the question is, if no one tries to bring new blood to (dedicated platform) gaming, how much longer will any of the dedicated gaming platforms last?
But if the NX has the same power as a PS4, why would it cost more than a PS4? Come on now. If Scorpio and Neo are $399, PS4 and X1S will be $299, and NX will be $249.
But realistically? Neo/Scorpio will be $499, PS4/X1S $349, and NX $299.
Any way you cut it Nintendo will be offering the cheaper model. And I think it will see close to Wii levels of success if the third parties are there and it is correctly marketed.
Until you pissoff investors because of those decisions over and over.
Simple, it's not the NES days. You can't relay on your games to sell your hardware. Not with long it takes and how complex games now. You need 3rd party support.
geordieimp said:All it seems investors want is Nintendo to go more third party and splash out those mobile games.
Yeah that wasn't what I actually said. Calm down.
I cited it as one of many reasons. There was a heatwave at the time and the Pokémon Centers were empty when they are rarely empty. I never said absolute that it was why it didn't sell. Plus that was three years ago, get over it
Do note that I never said the Wii was a standard. I said it was wrong for people to just dismiss its success in order to push their narrative.
Part of the discussion I had here was with someone who was making the claim that their successes of 10+ years ago are irrelevant to this due to how different things were there, so I was just pushing the inverse of that. I apologise if it seemed like I was making a brash absolute statement.
But that's not what I'm doing. The Wii was phenomenally successful and dominant. It had a four year stretch that was just silly.
However, I'm not pushing a narrative when I mention Nintendo's otherwise continued decline in the home console space. If you can't accept the Wii being labeled in some manner an abnormality it's not because I or any other poster is dismissing the Wii. I don't want to presume why you are so stuck on how the Wii is perceived and labeled, but it doesn't change the context of the Wii versus Nintendo's history in that segment of the industry.
What's the majority opinion on what a "hybrid" NX would be? My dream console would just be a handheld with power on-par or greater than the Wii-U. Let it stream to the TV using an additional device or an app that you download on PS4/Xbox One/Any other streaming device.
I'm really interested in your idea of a "Frankenstein" thing. What would that entail if you had to speculate?
Look, im not shit posting but being after playing games for 30 years and having almost every console in that time period I feel I can call it what it is.
This will flop.
Nintendo is out of touch. They will have to do a complete 180 and entirely change in order to have a chance to compete, and even if they did that they would more than likely fail due to sony/ms having deep roots in the marketshare.
They have been on the decline since thr N64. I have no shame in realising their console days are done. Hand-held market is their thing. Stick with that and all is good.
I'm not. I'm using the Wii as an example that Nintendo can have turnarounds, but people just dismiss it that it was luck and that Nintendo can't ever do anything like that again.
Honestly, I think they would just try again. However, they do have new leadership and have made other major changes. I can see them going full portable before they become a 3rd party software company like Sega did.
I don't know if the Wii was luck or if Nintendo can replicate its success. Hopefully they can.
I wish I could be optimistic about the NX, but until Nintendo is ready and confident enough to show the NX and change my mind, I don't really see any reason why the NX should be viewed with optimism. That doesn't mean I'm right about my outlook, just that in all the time I've discussed the NX I haven't read or heard enough to justify a positive disposition towards it.
That's not how business works.
I'm not. I'm using the Wii as an example that Nintendo can have turnarounds, but people just dismiss it that it was luck and that Nintendo can't ever do anything like that again.