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[cyberheater]

If he wasn't dead he should have been in jail. We have the awesome Amercan justice system to thank for that.

 

[Clockwork]

On June 13th, 2005 Michael Jackson was acquitted on all counts against him. Why was none of this supposed evidence brought up against him?

It was.

 

[JABEE]

Considering how much Corey Feldman has gone in on child predators in the industry, has he said anything about MJ who he seemed pretty close to?



I just want it answered once and for all. It's obvious to me that he had some psychological problems. Was pedophilia one of them? Probably. Incontrovertible proof to settle it once and for all would be nice.

Michael seemed to only go after unknown poor, sick kids like Sandusky would do.

 

[gogogow]

So who planted all the books in his house?

Who set him up?

If they were straight up child pornography there was no way MJ would've been acquitted on all counts. Those books and magazines that the police found are tame artsy fartsy stuff. That's why they were also deemed legal to possess by the court.

 

[Litan]

All of the dakimakura I collect are canonically 18 and older

Bruh...

 

[Syder]

They did. This was all part of the investigation.

Just because something is part of an investigation doesn't mean it's used in court. Clearly, the prosecutors decided against it.

If they were straight up child pornography there was no way MJ would've been acquitted on all counts. Those books and magazines that the police found are tame artsy fartsy stuff. That's why they were also deemed legal to possess by the court.

This is why. ^

 

[JetSetRadio]

Can't be a surprise, still the best performer ever.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

GAF do some detective work, this is all BS that was disproved in court. The Santa Barbara PD is pretty much like the cops in the making a murderer documentary in this case. IF MJ was doing those things he'd be in jail. Any MJ fan will tell you of a long running hate on from Vanity Fair. Its the same old garbage. By the standard that MJ has child porn is the standard many gaffers probably have child porn. If you have a pictures of angels, you got child porn. If you have any art book by famous artists you got child porn. If you have an anatomy book you got child porn. All they did was present debunked information in a new style.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Just because something is part of an investigation doesn't mean it's used in court. Clearly, the prosecutors decided against it.

No, the prosecutors used this stuff and presented it during the trial. Sangreal's already posted links back to news stories mentioning it.

Basically, the cloudier aspects come from:

1) this originated at Radar Online
2) there are images mixed in that the Sherriff's Office are saying didn't come from them
3) nobody's saying which images those are just yet.

This story is your chance to actually see what was presented in court, not just speak about it in the abstract as described textually.

 

[Zakalwe]

Can't be a surprise, still the best performer ever.

Retracted for now.

 

[benzy]

I think I know why Macaulay Culkin turned out the way he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQFGT5Jbgo

 

[darscot]

A performer I won't be able to enjoy the output of now in any capacity. His legend is now utterly destroyed.

How did you go this long and not realise any of this?

 

[JetSetRadio]

A performer I won't be able to enjoy the output of now in any capacity. His legend is now utterly destroyed.

We always knew there was smoke.

 

[cr0w]

All of the dakimakura I collect are canonically 18 and older, unlike the young boys Michael Jackson slept with in his master bedroom (surrounded by images of naked kids and erotic books, being taught the virtues of self-pleasure,, photographed nude) that he totally did not molest. I mean you'd have to be crazy to assume such a thing!

 

[Clockwork]

Just because something is part of an investigation doesn't mean it's used in court. Clearly, the prosecutors decided against it.This is why. ^

Then my answer would be as detailed in the report. It wasn't used in court because the materials were deemed legal to possess and was not sufficient proof to charge him with any crime.

 

[NHarmonic.]

He's a human being just like the rest of us, one with an arguably awful childhood due to his father.

Just because someone is "good" at something doesn't mean they can't have problems.

Edit: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing on the bit about him being "twisted", I just find comments like the above a bit silly.

Of course it's silly, it just makes you wonder and brings the topic about art vs the person. Hitler was pretty good painting for example, can you dissociate the person from the work he does?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

God fucking dammit. And all these years so many people defended him.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

I just finished reading Corey Feldmans book and I recommend it to GAF. MJ was the only safe haven he could go to get away from the people who were molesting him. MJ only tried to help him. MJ didn't even like hearing him and Corey Haim curse.

 

[uncelestial]

Gtfo with that nonsense man. I don't even like that anime style but to imply that people who have a loli avatar are pedo's? Wtf.

And if that's not what you are implying then what are you implying?

I'm not going to outright say all loli fans are pedos, but:

A) I side-eye all of them
B) Some loli-fans are pedos
C) I would never let them babysit my kids

 

[MogCakes]

I suppose the police report being old and having no actual new evidence matters not when you've already made up your mind.

 

[Coreda]

I read the entire report.

He had a lot (and I mean A LOT) of questionable material but none of it was considered child pornography (except for one item where the age of the person could not be determined but was most likely a young adult).

I think it's also safe to say that MJ was bisexual. He definitely wasn't heterosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that, nor do I care.

While reading it I couldn't see where they're getting the 'child torture' part from, did you? Since all the articles are referencing this PDF as the source I'd like to know as it's obviously the more shocking statement.

 

[Boem]

GAF do some detective work, this is all BS that was disproved in court. The Santa Barbara PD is pretty much like the cops in the making a murderer documentary in this case. IF MJ was doing those things he'd be in jail. Any MJ fan will tell you of a long running hate on from Vanity Fair. Its the same old garbage. By the standard that MJ has child porn is the standard many gaffers probably have child porn. If you have a pictures of angels, you got child porn. If you have any art book by famous artists you got child porn. If you have an anatomy book you got child porn. All they did was present debunked information in a new style.

I'm not surprised that there are MJ fans who are willing to defend him against the odds, but really, the evidence has been mounting up over the years. What about those pictures of naked children in his own bedroom? That's not art, he took those pictures himself - they're in his bedroom after all. I sure as hell don't have any of those.

If you're calling every publication publishing stories about these things as having a hate campaign against MJ, you'll have a long, long list of haters.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade. I don't care how well he could sing or dance. He was just a guy, and in all probability a pedophile. I'm not making excuses for believing those stories at this point.

 

[MANUELF]

I dont understand how you guys are believing this like gospel, if that evidence were true MJ would not have been declared not guilty

 

[Syder]

No, the prosecutors used this stuff and presented it during the trial. Sangreal's already posted links back to news stories mentioning it.

Basically, the cloudier aspects come from:

1) this originated at Radar Online
2) there are images mixed in that the Sherriff's Office are saying didn't come from them
3) nobody's saying which images those are just yet.

This story is your chance to actually see what was presented in court, not just speak about it in the abstract as described textually.

Fine, sure and a jury still acquitted Michael after seeing this.

The press trot out this bullshit every year around his death date and people still buy it after all this time.

 

[Maledict]

I read the entire report.

He had a lot (and I mean A LOT) of questionable material but none of it was considered child pornography (except for one item where the age of the person could not be determined but was most likely a young adult).

I think it's also safe to say that MJ was bisexual. He definitely wasn't heterosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that, nor do I care.

They also included a link between pain medication and sexual addition. Never heard that one before.

Also, were they reaching with the 3T photographs? That was weird.


Yeah.

Yep. After reading the entire released report (which is tedious as hell!), there is nothing here at all. If this was the evidence base they were using for the case, there's no wonder he was acquitted.

It literally lists commercially available porn and then says it can be used to groom younger children. Now, that is obviously true - but we know that practically ever man in the USA watches porn at some point, are they all at risk of grooming children?

There isn't a single thing in this report which is solid evidence he did it. He could well have done - but this isn't the smoking gun.

 

[darscot]

I dont understand how you guys are believing this like gospel, if that evidence were true MJ would not have been declared not guilty

Replace that same sentence with an O and instead of an M, see how silly it sounds

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Michael Jackson "A lie makes it was half around the world before the truth has a chance to pull its pants up"

Gaf 8 pages from a garbage article LOL

 

[Sorcerer]

I think I know why Macaulay Culkin turned out the way he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmgq81Ww7K4

 

[MMaRsu]

GAF do some detective work, this is all BS that was disproved in court. The Santa Barbara PD is pretty much like the cops in the making a murderer documentary in this case. IF MJ was doing those things he'd be in jail. Any MJ fan will tell you of a long running hate on from Vanity Fair. Its the same old garbage. By the standard that MJ has child porn is the standard many gaffers probably have child porn. If you have a pictures of angels, you got child porn. If you have any art book by famous artists you got child porn. If you have an anatomy book you got child porn. All they did was present debunked information in a new style.

But if the police planted the evidence, it probably would have been more convincing so that he WOULD be put in jail?

If you actually look at the documents, I wouldn't say these are normal books and normal pictures. Even for people who like to examine the human anatomy. I've never been 100% sure MJ was a pedo but these books and pictures show more than words can say.

Why did he settle for over 200Mil with these supposed victims?

I most certainly do not have child porn, or art books with naked children in them. I actually don't know anyone who does.

Do you have art books with naked children in your household? If you dont, why would you find it normal that ANYONE would have these types of books? And not one, but a lot.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Disgusting and not even surprising. MJ honestly seems like a monster.

All of the dakimakura I collect are canonically 18 and older, unlike the young boys Michael Jackson slept with in his master bedroom (surrounded by images of naked kids and erotic books, being taught the virtues of self-pleasure,, photographed nude) that he totally did not molest. I mean you'd have to be crazy to assume such a thing!

I was about to defend you.

 

[JetSetRadio]

We will never know. MJ the best.

 

[Jenov]

Apparently there are some damaging documents that the court had sealed away for some reason. I don't understand why.

I think I remember hearing those were related to documents about his children and their genetic birth mother/father that he asked to be sealed and not released since it wasn't considered relevant to the trial. I could be wrong though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Fine, sure and a jury still acquitted Michael after seeing this.

That's different than suggesting it was never introduced as evidence. It was. This is your opportunity to actually see what that was.

The press trot out this bullshit every year around his death

Not really. The reason this is gaining any sort of purchase is because nobody's talked about it in a very long time, and this is the first opportunity the public's really had to look at the documents proper, as prepared by the Sheriff's office as opposed to relying on reports and/or seeking out the books themselves.

 

[Mechanized]

Title needs to be edited to stop spreading misinformation.

 

[MMaRsu]

I dont understand how you guys are believing this like gospel, if that evidence were true MJ would not have been declared not guilty

Yeah, we all know the american justice system is totally without flaws

-_____-

 

[womfalcs3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQFGT5Jbgo

His tale of spending nights in michael's bedroom and Michael's are different. Michael.in the earlier video explicitly said they slept with each other in the same bed.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Has anyone thought that maybe the kids took picture of themselves and just left them around? The master bedroom is a big area, it's possible that Jackson never noticed they were there; could have been buried under a pile of young child pictorials or video tapes.

 

[Syder]

Michael Jackson "A lie makes it was half around the world before the truth has a chance to pull its pants up"

Gaf 8 pages from a garbage article LOL

This, and what makes it worse is how many people are just like 'Yeah, it's so obvious' when there has never been any actual evidence. Two kids accused him, one's parents took money to go away (the father blew his own brains out shortly after Jackson's death) and the other child went to court and Jackson was acquitted on all counts (not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges).

 

[Onemic]

Disgusting and not even surprising. MJ honestly seems like a monster.



I was about to defend you.

From the update it seems like it's not true, just the legal coffee books and stuff. And there was already a thread about that back in 2009.

 

[Verano]

so I guess BIllie Jean is not his lover after all....but kid/children.

 

[Clockwork]

What about those pictures of naked children in his own bedroom? That's not art, he took those pictures himself - they're in his bedroom after all. I sure as hell don't have any of those.

What are you talking about?

 

[DukeLongfellow]

Welp, I guess we know who's gonna get less radio time. Yuck.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

So who planted all the books in his house?

Who set him up?

A TV show just now showed some of the pictures from these 'terrible' books full of gore and nudity and what not. This stuff is pathetic.

What i know is that that the DA Tom Sneddon had presented evidence like a artbook or two containing semi nude people, among them children. A legal book, which was SENT to him by a fan and it was unopened. MJ never opened it. It's said how a lot of people here seem to think it's anything new, while it's old as hell. The judge and jury also clearly did not see anything truly wrong with the stuff...otherwise it would have been allowed to be presented during the trial.

With evidence, I mean evidence used by the prosecutors. The magazines and books found in Neverland. The article made it sound like there were a ton of new evidence, but all they showed was that old police report.

Exactly. A damn shame people seem to believe it's new and it really isn't as disgusting as it sounds.

I don't buy it, just like I didn't 20 years ago. I think he was seriously stunted emotionally, and truly was of the mindset he was a kid. Like, he had sleepovers with 10 year olds, because he was one in his head as well. He settled because it was best to get the news out of the papers asap, and a drawn out trial has the opposite effect.

Fucked up dude that wanted to be forever a kid (or related mental illness/disability)? Yep.

Child rapist? Sorry, nope.

100% this. Barely had a childhood, wanted to relive his childhood. Shit...watch some videos of him where he's running around Neverland, kids all happy as hell and they all just have a good time, nothing vile, nothing disgusting.

People should watch videos of the dude visiting hospitals full of sick children. People should listen to his lyrics. People should ESPECIALLY educate themselves a little on this stuff, do some research and find out just how crazy it all is. So much lies were spread by the media, it's not even funny. Stuff thar didn't even happen in the courtroom but the media said it did.

if this was true wouldn't it be all over cnn and trending on twitter right now

why does this read like more tabloid bullshit

Because it's tabloid bullshit. Facts being turned around and made extra disgusting and juicy.

The amount of ignorance in here on this subject is astounding.

On June 13th, 2005 Michael Jackson was acquitted on all counts against him. Why was none of this supposed evidence brought up against him? All of this stuff they could've hauled into court in 2005, and yet Michael was acquitted. Not too sure about all that. If they literally had that stuff, there would be no contest. Lol They could've just said, "here's all the shit in his house, so there's no reasonable doubt." It's stupid. The reason why they didn't use it is because they knew, like with the rest of the evidence they presented, no jury would ever buy it.

Why are people comparing this to Cosby? There's evidence against Cosby. Cosby is almost likely going to go down. There was never any solid proof that anyone who accused Michael of anything was telling the truth. God, I can't wait for the day when Gavin Arvizo or Jordy Chandler decide it's time to a full exposé on how they were manipulated into lying about the whole thing. Chandler's father who, by the way, committed suicide shortly after Michael's death in 2009.This happens every year in the tabloids near the anniversaries of his acquittal and his death, both of which happened in June of 2005 and 2009 respectively. It's disgusting.

These are the same people who screamed ''yeah..OJ was innocent as well huh'' when people said they believed MJ did not do it. What you say here makes a lot of sense, for damn sure the guy would have been convicted if all this stuff was presented.

But again.....

Radar Online, Vanity Fair? Really?

Let me know when it hits CNN, NBC, and it actually becomes real news.

 

[Oemenia]

Too many people losing their shit over tabloid trash.

 

[MANUELF]

Replace that same sentence with an O and instead of an M, see how silly it sounds

?????

Yeah, we all know the american justice system is totally without flaws

-_____-

Is not flawfree but if something was this obvious you can be sure that he would have served prison, maybe not for life but for some years yes

 

[The Beard]

Yep. After reading the entire released report (which is tedious as hell!), there is nothing here at all. If this was the evidence base they were using for the case, there's no wonder he was acquitted.

It literally lists commercially available porn and then says it can be used to groom younger children. Now, that is obviously true - but we know that practically ever man in the USA watches porn at some point, are they all at risk of grooming children?

There isn't a single thing in this report which is solid evidence he did it. He could well have done - but this isn't the smoking gun.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, most men don't sleep with random underage boys in their bed, nor do they take Polaroids of said boys half nude, and/or nude.

 

[Boem]

What are you talking about?

It's in the first post in this thread. It wasn't just the books mentioned (which are already damning as hell, even if they don't fit the definition of child pornography by the law's standard - it's definitely not normal), he also had pictures taken in his own bedroom of naked children. As well as the stories of, and this is public knowledge, children sleeping in his bed.

The guy was a pedophile. We may never know the details, but he definitely didn't act like an adult should act. And it goes way beyond 'some people are just a little kooky'. This involved actual real-life children. I don't care about how sad his life was at that point, and I definitely don't care that he made a couple of good songs. The fact that he didn't end up in jail and that he managed to pay all that hush money is a miscarriage of justice.

 

[KooopaKid]

Sounds like BS. Why was this "evidence" not presented in court again? MJ had that much influence? Everyone wanted to see him guilty.

 

[dakun]

Radar Online, Vanity Fair? Really?

Let me know when it hits CNN, NBC, and it actually becomes real news.

i wouldn't put it past any of those networks you listed to make news of this. Don't make that your measuring stick for the realness of news because you might be disappointed to learn what kind of shit can still make the news.

 

[MetatronM]

Doesn't the Vanity Fair update from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's office make it clear that some of this evidence is likely a hoax? They said that some of it appears to be from their documents but that it is "interspersed" with documents from "unknown sources."

Sounds like a huge red flag regarding its authenticity to me.