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[Real Hero]

We will never know. MJ the best.

do molesters have competitions? how do you know he was the best at it?

 

[CloudyTuba]

Between the unreliable original article source along with the ambiguous source of the previously unreleased evidence and the sheriff's department only being able to confirm the validity of the more tame documents, I just can't put much stock into this.

That's not to say that Jackson wasn't into this because obviously some real fishy shit was going on with him, but I'm not feeling any more enlightened than I was last week. People gotta cool off a little.

 

[Ovid]

Title needs to be edited to stop spreading misinformation.

It's very misleading.

While reading it I couldn't see where they're getting the 'child torture' part from, did you? Since all the articles are referencing this PDF as the source I'd like to know as it's obviously the more shocking statement.

Nope. I didn't see that.

 

[TheSpoiler]

i wouldn't put it past any of those networks you listed to make news of this. Don't make that your measuring stick for the realness of news because you might be disappointed to learn what kind of shit can still make the news.

Well, that's why he's saying he'll wait for them to push out the news instead of a tabloid, which, by nature, isn't prone to caring about correctness. So yes, people should absolutely use vetted news sources as a measuring stick over rags.

 

[Syder]

These are the same people who screamed ''yeah..OJ was innocent as well huh'' when people said they believed MJ did not do it. What you say here makes a lot of sense, for damn sure the guy would have been convicted if all this stuff was presented.

But again.....

Radar Online, Vanity Fair? Really?

Let me know when it hits CNN, NBC, and it actually becomes real news.

Too many people losing their shit over tabloid trash.

Yup.

This is what we're up against.^

Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a TV screen don't make it factual.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Radar Online, Vanity Fair?

Vanity Fair isn't a tabloid. They were also the outlet that got a response from the Sheriff's Office and printed it.

Vanity Fair isn't what many people might think of as a legitimate news source but they're also not frivolous about their reporting when they do engage in it. Many of the best essays/articles/exposes about celebrities (and even politics) can be sourced back to Vanity Fair's writers and efforts.

Trying to draw some sort of irresponsibility equivalence between places like the NY Post and Radar Online only points out a level of unfamiliarity with Vanity Fair's legitimacy within the industry.

The only reason I paid attention to this at all is because Vanity Fair spotlighted it, and made sure to get some sort of confirmation from the Sheriff's office.

 

[D4Danger]

This, and what makes it worse is how many people are just like 'Yeah, it's so obvious' when there has never been any actual evidence. Two kids accused him, one's parents took money to go away (the father blew his own brains out shortly after Jackson's death) and the other child went to court and Jackson was acquitted on all counts (not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges).

Michael Jackson has/had an enormous amount of power and influence and the financials to make a lot of stuff go away. You can't be naive enough to think the cops can just roll up and slap the cuffs on. It's a lot more complicated than that.

If you want an example read about Jimmy Savile.

 

[Vex_]

Doesn't the Vanity Fair update from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's office make it clear that some of this evidence is likely a hoax? They said that some of it appears to be from their documents but that it is "interspersed" with documents from "unknown sources."

Sounds like a huge red flag regarding its authenticity to me.

Yes indeed. This is strange. And I am wondering why all of this is leaking now? (If they didnt mean for it to get out). Why now?

 

[dakun]

Well, that's why he's saying he'll wait for them to push out the news instead of a tabloid, which, by nature, isn't prone to caring about correctness. So yes, people should absolutely use vetted news sources as a measuring stick over rags.

yes i know. I'm saying that i wouldn't trust CNN or NBC enough to not make news out of something like this.

 

[broncobuster]

Just yesterday I was in a conversation about how we'd never truly know if Michael Jackson was innocent or guilty. Not merely not guilty.

 

[MMaRsu]

This is for Ash Sparrow:
I'll just ask this again bruh.

If you actually look at the documents, I wouldn't say these are normal books and normal pictures. Even for people who like to examine the human anatomy. I've never been 100% sure MJ was a pedo but these books and pictures show more than words can say.

Why did he settle for over 200Mil with these supposed victims?

I most certainly do not have child porn, or art books with naked children in them. I actually don't know anyone who does.

Do you have art books with naked children in your household? If you dont, why would you find it normal that ANYONE would have these types of books? And not one, but a lot.

Did people even take a look at the pictures of naked kids in the documents in the OP?

Y'all find that normal? Just something casually cool? Or..... maybe he was a fucking pedo??

 

[gogogow]

Replace that same sentence with an O and instead of an M, see how silly it sounds

Er.....OJ and MJ are different people and they were different cases. Let's compare every case with that of OJ and compare every person with OJ. Everyone is guilty!

 

[RangerX]

To echo countless other posters, I'm genuinely baffled at how anyone could be surprised by this. The man had severe and serious issues.

 

[Syder]

Michael Jackson has/had an enormous amount of power and influence and the financials to make a lot of stuff go away. You can't be naive enough to think the cops can just roll up and slap the cuffs on. It's a lot more complicated than that.

If you want an example read about Jimmy Savile.

Sorry but you should read up on the Michael Jackson case a bit. Michael Jackson wasn't some illuminati-like untouchable God. This man had his day in court and people still shit all over him. Jimmy Savile's crimes weren't brought to light until he was rotting in the ground. There's a massive difference.

 

[hunchback]

Exactly this. I've closely followed the case, i've done a shitload of research and i was convinced the dude was innocent. There was just so incredibly much shit that didn't add up at all. To me that was clear as day, of course for people who did not do any research and simply only listened to the media had no idea.

This stuff would have been demolishing for him during the trial, if any of this is even true, that is. But in fact they lacked any kind of hard evidence during the trial. After all this stuff i was convinced the dude couldnt hurt a fly. Call it denial or whatever you want, because i admit i liked the dude a lot, but i need more before i say....''omfg.''

The biggest piece of 'evidence' was a art book of semi nude children, a legal book. Unopened actually and sent by a fan. THAT was one of the biggest pieces if not biggest evidence during the trial.

So yeah....

I have just one question for you. If he had nothing to hide than why did he pay off that first boy that is now a adult?

Actually one more question. If he had nothing to hide then why didn't he have that first boy testify on his behalf?

 

[JABEE]

Has anyone thought that maybe the kids took picture of themselves and just left them around? The master bedroom is a big area, it's possible that Jackson never noticed they were there; could have been buried under a pile of young child pictorials or video tapes.

What?

 

[Boem]

I'll just ask this again bruh.

If you actually look at the documents, I wouldn't say these are normal books and normal pictures. Even for people who like to examine the human anatomy. I've never been 100% sure MJ was a pedo but these books and pictures show more than words can say.

Why did he settle for over 200Mil with these supposed victims?

I most certainly do not have child porn, or art books with naked children in them. I actually don't know anyone who does.

Do you have art books with naked children in your household? If you dont, why would you find it normal that ANYONE would have these types of books? And not one, but a lot.

Did people even take a look at the pictures of naked kids in the documents in the OP?

Y'all find that normal? Just something casually cool? Or..... maybe he was a fucking pedo??

I agree with this guy.

Some people in here really underestimate how much you can get away with with enough fame and money. Look at Jimmy Saville. Look at how long Bill Cosby got away with it.

Shit's fucked up.

Has anyone thought that maybe the kids took picture of themselves and just left them around? The master bedroom is a big area, it's possible that Jackson never noticed they were there; could have been buried under a pile of young child pictorials or video tapes.

Please tell me you're joking. Please.

 

[darscot]

Er.....OJ and MJ are different people and they were different cases. Let's compare every case with that of OJ and compare every person with OJ. Everyone is guilty!

It was in reference to the evidence. There is significant evidence relating to MJ and his very very questionable behavior towards children.

 

[Coreda]

freenudemacusers knows GAF is the easiest forum to troll lol

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Nah I wasn't saying they planted evidence on MJ, just the things they counted as evidence were laughable. Its no wonder the reports from inside the court were that people would be snickering and laughing. MJ had Vaseline, that made him a pedophile? So if any of you have Vaseline....

In regards to MJ going after poor kids, these people would run MJ down until he finally agreed to see their kids. That's one of the things Corey Feldman said, all of the pursuing was from, him, he was obsessed with MJ.

On one hand I see people saying pedophilia is a uncontrollable sickness and on the other hand MJ could be super selective, that he wouldn't molest Corey, or Mac Culkin or even Brett Barnes. Its all trash.

Its time for the Jackson Family to start suing these outlets

There are pedophiles in hollywood right now and some will probably blow peoples minds according to Corey Feldman. I don't think MJ was ever one of them.

 

[qcf x2]

Replace that same sentence with an O and instead of an M, see how silly it sounds

So because OJ probably did it, MJ probably did it too, is that your logic? Did MJ release a book called "If I did it?" Did he go to jail for other crimes after?

 

[Moltisanti]

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources.

Shit seems very sketchy

 

[dakun]

Why did he settle for over 200Mil with these supposed victims?

I most certainly do not have child porn, or art books with naked children in them. I actually don't know anyone who does.

he settled for 20 Million not 200.

Let me reverse that question. Are you willing to let the guy who molested your child run free for any amount of money (and possibly molest more)? For a celebrity a settlement to make things go away are quite usual. In MJ's case it was a mistake and casted more doubt on him.
But again, the father of the accuser is recorded on tape talking about how he'll win big and destroy MJ's career. Are you willing to let a child molester run free for any kind of money if you know your case is solid and you'll probably win a civil suit (not sure if that would work in the US) after he's in jail?

Do you have art books with naked children in your household? If you dont, why would you find it normal that ANYONE would have these types of books? And not one, but a lot.

Did people even take a look at the pictures of naked kids in the documents in the OP?

Y'all find that normal? Just something casually cool? Or..... maybe he was a fucking pedo??

i don't measure normal on what i do or don't do and like or don't like. And i don't label people weird because they like or do something i don't. Unless it's illegal or criminal.

 

[Syder]

This is a prosecution team that literally had this sort of crap.

"Photograph of Michael Jackson posing with two shirtless males. Provocative attire" "labelled 'WHY SHOOT'"

'Why' is a song by 3T and Michael Jackson.

These are Tito's sons btw ^

 

[The Beard]

I'll just ask this again bruh.

If you actually look at the documents, I wouldn't say these are normal books and normal pictures. Even for people who like to examine the human anatomy. I've never been 100% sure MJ was a pedo but these books and pictures show more than words can say.

Why did he settle for over 200Mil with these supposed victims?

I most certainly do not have child porn, or art books with naked children in them. I actually don't know anyone who does.

Do you have art books with naked children in your household? If you dont, why would you find it normal that ANYONE would have these types of books? And not one, but a lot.

Did people even take a look at the pictures of naked kids in the documents in the OP?

Y'all find that normal? Just something casually cool? Or..... maybe he was a fucking pedo??

The people trying to defend MJ at this point are delusional.

 

[XAL]

Man that stuff is some True Detective S1 level of grim.

 

[Syder]

The arguments people come with in the defense of MJ regarding this situation have become increasingly more mind boggling over time. At this point, the cops could straight up find a video recording of him raping a child and there would still be people defending him.

Joke post?

 

[skypunch]

Jesus Christ, if that website released a headline with the title "humans are descendants of giraffes" people would still believe it.

Load of bullshit, imo. Sensationalism at it again.

 

[Clockwork]

It's in the first post in this thread. It wasn't just the books mentioned (which are already damning as hell, even if they don't fit the definition of child pornography by the law's standard - it's definitely not normal), he also had pictures taken in his own bedroom of naked children. As well as the stories of, and this is public knowledge, children sleeping in his bed.

The guy was a pedophile. We may never know the details, but he definitely didn't act like an adult should act. And it goes way beyond 'some people are just a little kooky'. This involved actual real-life children. I don't care about how sad his life was at that point, and I definitely don't care that he made a couple of good songs. The fact that he didn't end up in jail and that he managed to pay all that hush money is a miscarriage of justice.

Poor phrasing/wording?

Was it pictures of "nude children in his bedroom" or "pictures of nude children" in his bedroom?

I read the report and it seems to me that the collections found were in his room, not that the pictures were of nude children in his room.

There is a bit of a difference.

 

[D4Danger]

Sorry but you should read up on the Michael Jackson case a bit. Michael Jackson wasn't some illuminati-like untouchable God. This man had his day in court and people still shit all over him. Jimmy Savile's crimes weren't brought to light until he was rotting in the ground. There's a massive difference.

You're missing the point. Savile's crimes never got to court because of his celebrity status. Michael Jackson had the money to hire the best lawyers, he had the money to hush victims, he had the money and influence to play the pr game. I'm not saying he did all those things but I definitely think there's something going on and we'll probably never know the full extent of it. Saying he had his day in court so he couldn't possibly have done anything is really naive.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

People need to present proof of stuff when leaking game shit, yet this is still here. Maybe it would be a good thing if this stuff is only allowed when the source is at least somewhat reliable.

 

[Risible]

We will never know. MJ the best.

We will never know....what?

Pretty sure we DO know he's a sexual predator in light of the latest info. SMFH.

"He makes great music I don't give a shit if he molested kids."

 

[Ovid]

Vanity Fair isn't a tabloid. They were also the outlet that got a response from the Sheriff's Office and printed it.

Vanity Fair isn't what many people might think of as a legitimate news source but they're also not frivolous about their reporting when they do engage in it. Many of the best essays/articles/exposes about celebrities (and even politics) can be sourced back to Vanity Fair's writers and efforts.

Trying to draw some sort of irresponsibility equivalence between places like the NY Post and Radar Online only points out a level of unfamiliarity with Vanity Fair's legitimacy within the industry.

The only reason I paid attention to this at all is because Vanity Fair spotlighted it, and made sure to get some sort of confirmation from the Sheriff's office.

I agree.

From time to time Vanity Fair does have some very engaging pieces. They even had an eyeopening story about the first accuser and his family years ago. Stuff I never knew.

This is a prosecution team that literally had this sort of crap.

'Why' is a song by 3T and Michael Jackson.

These are Tito's sons btw ^

I mentioned that earlier. What's up with that? I can't believe that actually used that as evidence.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

he settled for 20 Million not 200.

Let me reverse that question. Are you willing to let the guy who molested your child run free for any amount of money (and possibly molest more)? For a celebrity a settlement to make things go away are quite usual.

If I were the kind of parent that sent my child off for unsupervised sleepovers with an adult stranger in the first place? Yeah maybe.

I've always thought that the idea that Jackson was a pedophile and the families of these children were money hungry were not mutually exclusive.

 

[Boem]

Poor phrasing/wording?

Was it pictures of "nude children in his bedroom" or "pictures of nude children" in his bedroom?

I read the report and it seems to me that the collections found were in his room, not that the pictures were of nude children in his room.

There is a bit of a difference.

The former.

The report, which was previously unseen, says at least seven collections of images depicted boys in their teenage years – and some younger – naked or partially clothed in the musician’s bedroom.

There's no way to read that otherwise really.

 

[breakfuss]

This is a prosecution team that literally had this sort of crap.

'Why' is a song by 3T and Michael Jackson.

These are Tito's sons btw ^

Whoooo buddy that family has some strong ass genes.

 

[Syder]

You're missing the point. Savile's crimes never got to court because of his celebrity status. Michael Jackson had the money to hire the best lawyers, he had the money to hush victims, he had the money and influence to play the pr game. I'm not saying he did all those things but I definitely think there's something going on and we'll probably never know the full extent of it.

The media in the UK and US were totally against Michael Jackson pretty much as soon as the 93 allegations happened. When the 2005 court case happened they were baying for blood. Articles like this prove how angry sections of the press have been ever since then.

 

[Proelite]

Seems a stretch to call any of the stuff shown as evidence in the PDF as child pornography, which is corroborated by the fact that the persecution labeled them as grooming material instead.

 

[The Beard]

His "I'm just an innocent little boy in a man's body." persona that he tried to portray in that BBC interview, is even more disturbing now. Dude had shit all over his house that would make grown adults who consider themselves a little freaky, uncomfortable.

 

[Sane_Man]

Of course he was a paedo. It's laughable that he has a defence force.

 

[Clockwork]

The former.



There's no way to read that otherwise really.

Did you read the pdf report or not?

 

[Red Liquorice]

What some money and fame will get you out of...
This always disgusted me https://youtu.be/TMLS-nP6TO8

To me, this is him at his most megalomaniac. Sitting hand in hand with a young boy who is fauning over him - MJ does not care, he thinks he is invincible at this point and believes he can never be taken down, he's completely wrapped up in and believes his own lies.

If this was anyone else, a regular guy on the street, there is NO WAY anyone would let this kind of behaviour pass.

 

[Coreda]

The former.

There's no way to read that otherwise really.

Have you read the doc? I didn't see this listed in the items though I did see books of nude photos, found in his bedroom.

Also so far can't confirm the allegations in article listed in the first post of 'child torture' which is bolded in the OP. Have asked other posters who've read the PDF and they haven't either.

Nope. I didn't see that.

 

[Syder]

Of course he was a paedo. It's laughable that he has a defence force.

Go do some research.

 

[The Adder]

Is there any evidence presented that wasn't a part of the previous case that back up the new accusations?

 

[dakun]

Is there any evidence presented that wasn't a part of the previous case that back up the new accusations?

no, none whatsoever

 

[Ovid]

What some money and fame will get you out of...
This always disgusted me https://youtu.be/TMLS-nP6TO8

This documentary was the end of MJ. It was steep dive after that.

Bashir says "really" 3x in about 10 seconds. Shit made me laugh back then and still makes me laugh today lol.

 

[LAM09]

That doesn't make for good reading.

 

[The Adder]

no, none whatsoever

That's what I figured.

So basically the Police department's statement is accurate. Their actual report and then a whole bunch of made up stuff from the internet. So this is a topic full of people who thought he was guilty back then circle jerking themselves.

That's not to say he was innocent then, but it is to say that these new accusations seem to be bullshit.

 

[LionPride]

The arguments people come with in the defense of MJ regarding this situation have become increasingly more mind boggling over time. At this point, the cops could straight up find a video recording of him raping a child and there would still be people defending him.

MJ is my favorite artist of all time, but that may have to stop. People still defend R. Kelly and he was a fucking pedophile to the highest degree