BossDarkseid
Member
If we get a version of the CE i'm all over it...
Wonder if by more news soon they mean Gamescom.
Wonder if by more news soon they mean Gamescom.
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Deep Silver publishing Persona 5, SMT4A, 7th Dragon (& more Sega/Atlus games?) in EU
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Nothing to be excited about yet... we already knew they would bring P5 to Europe SOMEDAY. There's no date or details from this announcement. Until then I ain't getting my hopes up for a close to US launch date.
Besides Deep Silver isn't exactly a name that fills me with confidence.
Besides Deep Silver isn't exactly a name that fills me with confidence.
I'll be getting this day one digital in Europe. Depending on the release date and whether or not we're getting the steelbook over here, I may also cancel my US version.
Or I could switch them around and day one digital for the US version and wait for the retail EU version. Decisions, decisions...
Or I could switch them around and day one digital for the US version and wait for the retail EU version. Decisions, decisions...
YianGaruga
Banned
The only thing I can think of is that the P5 deal comes with a long term commitment to ATLUS games, including small 3DS titles, and SEGA Europe wasn't down for that.
And SEGA Europe isn't a small time publisher, they are MASSIVELY successful with their PC games
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Europe (especially France, Spain and Italy) is a big market for JRPGs, arguably bigger than North America, even though it is definitely trickier because of the different languages. But Persona is probably a close third after Pokémon and FF these days, it is definitely a lot bigger than DQ, Yokai Watch and probably even Dark Souls. If they played their cards right, Atlus could be a big deal in Europe but they just don't seem interested.
GasProblem
Member
Awwww yeah baby. Wonder when the EU release is. If its not too far away from February ill wait.
Finally some confirmation that all these games will arrive here. I wonder whether Deep Silver will automatically be the EU publisher form now on or whether they will have to re-negotiate for every game. If it's the latter, delays are bound to happen again.
After all these years, I am not sure whether I should believe this.
I think that was announced by SEGA themselves, so I guess they will still handle it?
After all these years, I am not sure whether I should believe this.
I think that was announced by SEGA themselves, so I guess they will still handle it?
It's pretty exciting we'll get SMT4A, considering the 3DS is region-locked... And I guess two or three people are interested in 7th Dragon as well.
Nachtfalke
Member
Since Catherine (also Deep Silver back in the days) came with EFIGS translations we could finally get the first Persona with this treatment and maybe some other titles from ATLUS aswell. Though probably not all. Interesting to see how Deep Silver will handle this.
Dark Souls 1 sold over 5.5 million copies, and did so primarily in the West.
What on earth are you expecting Persona 5 to sell?
CrazyArcadia
Member
Yeah
Excited that SMT4A will potentially get a retail release here after SMT4 being digital only (and the first and only full-price digital only game I've ever bought on consoles).And this also makes me very hopeful for my quintessential Nintendo DS-family JRPG series, Etrian Odyssey. Was already started to be concerned about EO5...
Which would be kinda nice and kinda horrible at the same time! It would be cool if the JRPG market in Europe would embrace people again who don't perfectly understand English (let's not kid ourselves, English-only still means that you alienate a huge chunk of the market), at the same time people like us who are fine with (and even prefer) playing games in English likely would have to wait even longer.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I said "probably"
!And I think 3-4 million copies is a reasonable expectation for Persona 5. I know 3 and 4 sold in the hundreds of thousands but it seems to me that the series is about to blow up with 5. I might be wrong of course but I believe Sega and Atlus are leaving a lot of money on the table.
Oh well, as long as I get to play the game sometime in 2017...
Tracker_TD
Member
Worth noting Project DIVA X and SEGA 3D Classics Collection have both been rated in Australia (and Germany for the former), so it could be SEGA Europe are handling those themselves for some reason.
Thank you. This made my day.
That's a pretty warped view of the situation. JRPGs (in general) usually sell well in France, but it takes a lot of effort and luck to make them sell in the rest of Europe. Persona isn't even remotely close to being anywhere near as big as you think it is. It's very much a niche series, to the point where not a single installment of nu-Persona has been translated to FIGS. P5 has the potential and the hype to become a hit, but it'll take more than just dropping the US version with a PEGI logo months after the US release.
Yes, actually. Deep Silver brought Catherine with FIGS text... but it took them months, and apparently sales weren't too hot for obvious reasons. It depends on whether they consider possibly expanding the audience to be worth the delay.
YianGaruga
Banned
I could see them passing on those projects to Deep Silver. Would explain why they have been so silent on it while they're clearly working on them.
Ban Puncher
Member
So who is publishing it in the UK?
Dwight Schrute
Member
SMT boxed or digital only ?
DrunkShogun
Member
How is deep silver for localising. Great news to hear but I'm not sure of the output to be happy. Here's hoping we get a release date because I'm all set for importing as it is.
YianGaruga
Banned
Chicken and egg
Is it niche because it's not being translated or is it not translated because it's niche? Barely anyone has tried to make JRPGS sell in Europe.
Deep Silver?
EDIT: Oh i get it now
Eolz
Member
I said "probably"
And I think 3-4 million copies is a reasonable expectation for Persona 5. I know 3 and 4 sold in the hundreds of thousands but it seems to me that the series is about to blow up with 5. I might be wrong of course but I believe Sega and Atlus are leaving a lot of money on the table.
Oh well, as long as I get to play the game sometime in 2017...
3-4 millions WW for Persona 5 is not reasonable at all, even if the series is more popular than before...
It's funny because SEGA did issue their statement saying they'd be interested to bring it here ... without reference to any other European country.
This just further highlights the disappointment and incompetence of SEGA Europe. Sure, you're a big cheese with PC strategy games but you can't even be arsed to bring what will likely be one of the highest rated games of the year to your market and instead would rather it was farmed out to a small scale publisher.
I said "probably"
And I think 3-4 million copies is a reasonable expectation for Persona 5. I know 3 and 4 sold in the hundreds of thousands but it seems to me that the series is about to blow up with 5. I might be wrong of course but I believe Sega and Atlus are leaving a lot of money on the table.
Oh well, as long as I get to play the game sometime in 2017...
The entire Persona series sold 6m units and you expect one to do up to 4m?
LordOfLore
Banned
Add to that the game is only going to be released on 2 consoles.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Sure, I actually agree with you but I think the lack of translation and the attitude of Atlus have severely handicapped the series. It's a snake biting its own tail: it's not big enough to be translated and it will never be big if it is never translated. The fact that it managed to get this popular (relatively speaking of course) despite the general mismanagement of Atlus in Europe and being english only is kind of a miracle. If Sega was willing to put some effort behind Persona in Europe, it could be pretty big.
Bots are better than you
Banned
I like to repeat myself: Deep Silver, we need all future Atlus (and Sega) games to have a physical retail release!
Wasn't this some time before the Brexit referendum? They knew, those god-darned future seers!
Yabberwocky
Member
Oh, wow! Hopefully P5 won't be too far off the US release. SMT4A is a pleasant surprise, too!
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Cool, good for you guys in EU! Atlus games are thr fucking best!
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
TRANSLATION TO FIGS?
They did something similar with Catherine.
If so... YEEEEEEEEES!!!!!
Nothing? Deep Silver actually translated an Atlus title to FIGS in Europe. If they do the same with the rest, it will actually help their franchises in France, Spain and Italy, countries with a big anime userbase that couldnt play Atlus products normally becuase they were heave text english titles.
Persona 5 can actually be now a big game for every country its released, instead of a niche product because "Atlus"
They did something similar with Catherine.
If so... YEEEEEEEEES!!!!!
Nothing? Deep Silver actually translated an Atlus title to FIGS in Europe. If they do the same with the rest, it will actually help their franchises in France, Spain and Italy, countries with a big anime userbase that couldnt play Atlus products normally becuase they were heave text english titles.
Persona 5 can actually be now a big game for every country its released, instead of a niche product because "Atlus"
Namco has been (and keeps) trying as much as much as these kind of games can really afford nowadays. Didn't work so well. Sure, Persona 5 is more attractive to the average guy than milquetoast Tales of game 46, but it's still a gamble.
It's like they want to be praised for getting another company to release their biggest ever game in Europe.
No release date date yet + if NA hasn't even gotten news about the DLC yet then how fucked are we? + I doubt it'll be in any other languages = (like you said) far from over.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
And Elder Scrolls went from a niche PC series to Skyrim selling 20+ million copies. Stranger things have happened. I'm not saying it's a garantee but I think 1 million copies for Persona 5 is the floor and the ceiling could easily be as high as 5 million copies. Laugh at me all you want, I really don't think it's that unlikely!
If it was digital-only, Atlus would likely just self-publish it like they did with SMTIV.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Bizarre, but happy to have something. Wonder what date Deep Silver and Atlus can manage for P5. If close enough, I'll cancel my import.
Saoshyant
Member
I'm translating the info on that link because it's important that people understand why it's such a risky move to bring niche JRPGs into Europe, especially when they pull a Multi 5 translation along with it.
@Jose_Strife
"Tales of Xillia 2, a game properly localized in Spanish, has sold 2000 units, less than half of what Xillia 1 did in the same time period."
@Jose_Strife
"Tales of Xillia, a game that came out a year ago with a Spanish translation, which can be found now at half its original price, hasn't reached 10.000 units."
I've personally seen Day One editions of those games being sold at less than half their original prices several months after their launch in places like France. Namco actually lost money over this, which is very bad and very likely one of the reasons why Sega of Europe didn't even bother considering localizing 7th Dragon III.
E_Darkness
Member
Yeah
I feel like that's cheating because SMT4 in EU was sold digitally at one hell of a discount.
It also included one hell of a delay.
Yup, and it's also why the NISA/Atlus debacle was such a big bummer. Their releases may not have been anything special as far as presentation goes, but they brought just about anything they could get their hands on. I'm not sure the average publisher will be nearly as willing to publish the super niche stuff like Etrian Odyssey, which no doubt was moving very few copies.
E_Darkness
Member
I was there. It was suffering.
And then the game turned out to be disappointing.
I just want a time frame on SMT4A already, I want to know how big the gap will be after NA. Having a confirmed EU publisher this time almost certainly means it'll be better than last time.
I wouldn't mind a 3-6 months delay if the game is released in EFIGS. I would recommend the game to a bunch of friends if it was released in my mother tongue (Spanish). Being an English only game makes it a tough sales to most of my friends.
TBH, Tales of Xillia was just a good game, nothing stellar, and even if Tales of Xillia 2 improved a bunch of aspects, JRPG sequels don't usually do amazing numbers.
Can anybody see how many units has Zestiria sold in Steam using SteamSpy?
I sincerely doubt Tales of Xillia 2 has been profitable, but Tales of Xillia might have been. Plus, there are more countries where Spanish is spoken, not just Spain. Tales of Zestiria was localized too.
Maybe they make a lot of money selling costume DLC, I dunno.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Ha, same here! I was so mad about the delayed release of SMT4 in Europe but I ended up not finishing that game because I was so disappointed by it...