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[Mihael Mello Keehl]

There is a dock... why are all of you forgetting?

 

[Plum]

Imagine them releasing Pokemon Go 2 as an NX exclusive.

Take the handheld with you and catch Pokemon in real life. Come home and play a Pokemon Stadium-style battle arena game with them.

Just do it Nintendo and make those trillions.

 

[jett]

Hmm, what do you mean by that?

The design constraints of a handheld are clearly more acute than those of a console, so they will always take precedence when creating a hybrid system.

It's clear what he means, and it's also what this whole thing sounds like to me. This is a handheld that has the added benefit of having a TV output. It's more of a 3DS successor than anything else. It's clear where Nintendo is hedging their bets.

Did you even read the chip article? How about OsirisBlack's comment about it being able to handle Ps4/XB1 ports with. "Little to no problem?"

If the chip is the X2--and I'm willing to bet it is, based on active cooling and fan in devkits and the delay--this could easily handle ports.

And if it's an X1? You'll get nothing.

You know what, "insiders" have been saying all kinds of shit about the NX for a long time, so I wouldn't put any faith on any of them myself.

 

[AmyS]

Tegra X1, used in the dev kits, is based on Maxwell architecture. X1 gets 512 GFlops single precision in the Nvidia Shield TV, but I think it's clocked lower in the Google Pixel C tablet.

The upcoming next gen Tegra (Parker) uses Pascal architecture. This is what I expect NX to use, at least in terms of architecture. But that says nothing of actual performance,

In any case, I expect NX to easily surpass Wii U, but still be far below Xbox One.

Edit: but the Dock (Supplemental Computing Device ??) could change all that in console mode. That's the real hope.

 

[rschauby]

Tegra X1 is an "old" chip.

I really hope Nintendo is going to go with the new Tegra-next chip based on Pascal.

 

[shark sandwich]

So NX Zelda is going to run worse than Wii U?

What makes you think that? Tegra X1 is a lot more powerful than Wii U.

 

[Jb]

This is almost exactly what I imagined it to be. I do wonder what "sacrificing power" will mean this time. Maybe it will be more comparable to a 360/Wii U than a XB1/PS4?

My bet is that the base unit will basically function like a tablet when you detach the side controllers, with its own app ecosystem (or access to the Android store).

 

[E-phonk]

If true, i'll eat thy, crow

Still I expect more than a simple X1 hybrid, that would really be a weird thing for a nintendo system imo.

 

[Peterc]

It's true but it's going to be left behind in 2 years time after release with PS5 and maybe even Scorpio.

Why would ps5 be released in 2years?
They bring the ps4 neo, so expect another 4/5y before ps5 would be released.
Otherwise the just between ps4 and ps5 would be way to small.

 

[oni-link]

How little they know? I didn't say one way or the other, but Nintendo straight up said (hell I think it was Iwata who said this) that NX wasn't a hybrid. If it is in fact a hybrid you cannot blame the people who simply took Nintendo at their word.

Nintendo also said they wouldn't make mobile games

 

[MuchoMalo]

Edit: nvm this was a joke please don't ban me

 

[marmoka]

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

Pokemon Go II.

Gonna need a Proton pack to power those X1/PS4 visuals for more than 20 minutes.

 

[purseowner]

There is a dock... why are all of you forgetting?

This this THIS.

 

[Kouriozan]

Kimishima also said that the NX wouldn't replace the Wii U

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Doesn't this pour water on the rumors that NX was delayed due to an AMD fuck up?

 

[Mr. Pointy]

I'm okay with this. I mostly play 3DS and phone now.

 

[Affeinvasion]

Just what I wanted for my home console: Streetpass bullshit.

If the vast majority of games don't output 1080p, I'm gonna let Nintendo quietly walk into the sunset on this one.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Holy shit.
I'm not too worried about the console being underpowered in regard to Nintendo games because of how beautiful they already are on the Wii U but I wonder how third party devellopers will feel about that.
Very excited for an official announcement.

 

[saskuatch]

What are the arguments FOR moving your business pretty much 100% into a market that has nearly evaporated by mobile (handheld gaming)? If this information is correct, this is a handheld first, and console second. Why move into that market now?

Nintendo doesn't want to fight in the red ocean, they want to fight in the nuclear wasteland desert that is the battleground for smart phones lol

 

[odhiex]

I'm excited, if I can play all Nintendo games on the go and at home I'm in. I'm going to have a baby born later this year, so it's a perfect excuse to my wife.


My only concern is, like other Nintendo consoles, third party supports!! Put more efforts (money) on that, Ninty!!

 

[cw_sasuke]

Also we need to remember that Iwata said that there would be multiple NX devices down the line - so i could see a beefed up NX console happening down the line if the market demands one.

The handheld being the core makes sense - since its their most successful plattform and they have the advantage here.

Monster Hunter V announcement cant be too far off now - believe.

 

[paragonpro]

Ao I guess another underpowered nintendo console :/

 

[Kai Dracon]

Nintendo managed to turn the 3DS around to the degree they did while still being forced to support the Wii U. The idea of all their software development potential channeled into a single device is potent.

Funny thing, for all the shit Wii U has gotten one feature people who owned one consistently said was great, was off-screen play. The flexibility to rest away from the TV and keep playing the same game. I wonder if their decision to go with this device (if this is true) was informed by the positive reception of off-screen play.

Ao I guess another underpowered nintendo console :/

More like an overpowered Nintendo portable that can cast games to an external screen.

 

[Fourth Storm]

So i was thinking about something and i wonder if this is possible or not. We know you can change the clock speed of a proc via software right. What if the NX has to different modes and can run faster when plugged on an power cord.

We know this is not so much a price, nor even size problem, as a battery problem that makes handled gaming limited. So what if they have like, a version of a strong gpu tha can runs at 500mhz when unplugged and 800mhz when plugged. I'm using random numbers but i wonder if this is a possibility.

Nvidia GPUs are usually clocked pretty high. If the device is not ultra thin and more like a 2DS, I can definitely see the clocks being higher when plugged.

 

[yongeandcollege]

It will fly off shelves in Japan. Very curious to know how it will fare in the West.

I'm definitely more interested now.

How does Tegra compares do WiiU, though?

Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

What are the arguments FOR moving your business pretty much 100% into a market that has nearly evaporated by mobile (handheld gaming)? If this information is correct, this is a handheld first, and console second. Why move into that market now?

In Japan the handheld market is still king, while consoles have been dying off.

In the west, consoles are doing well, but the handheld market has heavily contracted.

This allows them to have a single device that targets both markets effectively.

 

[Eradicate]

:O

Wonder if Nintendo would make a cheaper home-only variant of that thing that features the same hardware but ditches the screen, the battery, and the docking mechanisms.

That's true, since they mentioned looking towards different form factors! I guess it depends on how dependent all these different things are for the enjoyment of the types of games they are making!

 

[Blunoise]

Can a cartridge hold a lot of game data like disc can it no?

 

[JABEE]

I don't understand how this system solves Nintendo's third party software problem. I hope the novelty works.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Can I request a link to these, please?

Seconded, sounds vaguely familiar but from a long time ago?

 

[Korezo]

I guess finally I can play MH and pokemon on the big screen again, I hope games scale between tv and handheld, would love to play mh at 4k.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

It will be Nintendo TDS (table docking station) so there is no confusion with the DS,3DS,NDS.

Ha ha; this got a good laugh out of me!

 

[ultrazilla]

The return of cartridges! Amazing!

Spoiler

They're just gonna be memory cards right guys?

I actually like this idea. Leave it to Nintendo to once again innovate. The idea sounds pretty damn awesome! They *MAY* actually repeat the Wii's success with this(in terms of getting both the casual and hardcore gamers back).

I can see it already: Pokemon Go NX. Killer app/system seller.

The only problem with the "mobile/handheld" part of the system is how/if Nintendo will be offering 3g/4g type internet service?

 

[tapedeck]

So Wii U to get definitive version of Zelda?

I'm not a tech guy but wouldn't it be pretty easy for this thing to be at least as powerful as Wii U with updates in hardware?

 

[iBlue]

So a weak console? At least x1 power or what? So disappointed

 

[thestopsign]

I'm excited.

 

[The Boat]

Sounds great to me!

 

[The God]

Sounds okay, I guess..

 

[evilromero]

Well damn there it is. This will be very interesting.

 

[Indyana]

All Nintendo teams working on 1 SKU. That's dozens of games per year. I'm fucking in.

You and me both, brother.

 

[Levyne]

Is there a genuine good reason for going back to cartridges besides faster/no loading? Aren't they more expensive to produce and less reliable than discs?!

More reliable. No moving parts, smaller footprint.

 

[backflip10019]

Color me disappointed. I was underwhelmed by the New 3DS and was hoping Nintendo would release a console more in line with current home consoles.

I personally don't play games on the go, and feel like they're limiting the specs of the console by allowing it to be handheld.

 

[vareon]

Didn't Nintendo repeatedly said it wasn't going to be a hybrid?

Nintendo said "on the contrary, it wouldn't be limited to one form factor". Many interpretations to that, but I took it as "We're not going to see only one hardware cruising it for 5 years".

I don't think we even have a clear definition of hybrid, lol. Is Handheld with TV output considered hybrid?

 

[Oblivion]

Is Zelda BotW designed with handheld sensibilities in mind?

What we will see is a unified library of all Nintendo's software. You will get console-like experiences and handheld-like experiences on one platform. Some franchise like Pokemon lean one way, others like Pikmin lean another.

Zelda was likely in development long before Nintendo had any plans on the NX. They're putting BotW on the NX now because they have to, as they need some killer app launch title. It wasn't created with NX in mind.

 

[mugurumakensei]

if its using an X1, then it will be considerable weaker than a Wii U.

uh no, an x1 has .5 TF of processing power in FP32, 1TF in FP16. that's more powerful than a WII U which comes in around 176 Gflops.

 

[DrD]

Does this mean we're getting a console Pokemon RPG?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I'm so so in. Having both the handheld and the home console is great for me since I travel a lot. Now they just have to say "region free" and I'm there day 1.

Still have to get a WiiU since there's little chance for this to be backward compatible.

 

[BY2K]

What I'm wondering is if that docking statiom is also that supplemental computing device.

 

[Oersted]

This is almost exactly what I imagined it to be. I do wonder what "sacrificing power" will mean this time. Maybe it will be more comparable to a 360/Wii U than a XB1/PS4?

My bet is that the base unit will basically function like a tablet when you detach the side controllers, with its own app ecosystem (or access to the Android store).

Zelda and Sonic are announced. I doubt PS360 levels.