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[Enduin]

How do you get two detachable/rotatable controllers with a sub-5" screen (assuming reasonable top/bottom bezels)?

I've been wondering that myself. Technically you could. Holding my One Plus One the whole thing is just at 6" x 3". It's more than enough room on the sides to have comfortably spaced thumbsticks and face buttons, but when detached they'd be rather small in the hand on their own.

That whole aspect of this rumor just baffles me. It seems like such a dumb feature.

 

[orioto]

A tegra chip can easily run the new zelda or graphically good games at 720p/30fps. There is no question about it.

Ideally, but that's probably too much, the portable would be around 500 gflops and around 800gflop to 1tf for with the tv attachment.

That would easily give us Zelda BotW with way better graphics than the WiiU on the portable (better textures, models, draw distance...) at 540p, and the same at 1080p on tv. That would be the ideal scenario.

That would also completely allow PS4 ports on the portable. There is no reason FFXV (for exemple) wouldn't run at 540p on such a portable system with some lower models. Why would SE do it ? I'm prettty sure a portable release of the game would double, maybe triple its sales in Japan.. Imagine a special edition NX customized with FFXV ?

Just an exemple of what a 500gflop portable console from Nintendo could bring.

 

[Crayolan]

So we're accepting a 5 hour battery life out of a modern day gaming handheld.

Christ allmighty we're going backwards.

The 3DS has a 5~6 hour battery life, so this is just more of the same.

 

[Griss]

The controllers will almost certainly be garbage because it's a handheld. The form factor is going to be ridiculously uncomfortable because otherwise it becomes too bloated in the back. How much depth can you have on the controllers before they make the device a nonstarter on the portable side?

Well, I'm a handheld gamer and have never had a problem with them, so I suppose we differ in opinion there. I'm expecting each of them to be a bit like the Wiimote, which I utterly loved.

But if you're playing on TV I'm absolutely sure that something like the Wii U Pro will hook up wirelessly, whether that's a new peripheral or a BC one remains to be seen.

But the controller will be good 'for a handheld' and if you don't like that, use it on the TV with a wireless one.

 

[maxcriden]

Well we have one side poking out of the unit leaving internal space for the other side to fit in under the screen. I think we could have two pretty sizable full featured controllers. I don't see why we would just have this:

That doesn't make much sense.

Oh. I see what you mean. So the controllers combined in the portable could partially slip under the back of it...and each be a more reasonable size themselves that way...without the NX portable having to be too massive.

 

[Always-honest]

Read the title.

I wonder why so many people keep nagging about BC.
Fuck BC. Buy a WiiU.

 

[Aceofspades]

Yeah so this is gonna have:
Mario Kart
Pokemon
3D Mario
Zelda
Fire Emblem
SSB
Monster Hunter

On the go, or at home.
Shit me if this won't do well.

Those didn't sell WiiUs, why sell NX?

 

[Armadilo]

Cya will be back in September.. Finally

 

[mckmas8808]

also, people are underestimating how powerful mobile is at this point. It's not fucking NEO/Scopio levels, but it doesn't have to be. Nintendo is ceding that space and rightfully so, it's a losing proposition.

But it's also not Xbox One levels either. An that system is 3 years old.

 

[cyberheater]

I don't think this will be a very portable handheld. More like a tablet. Something you'd slip in your messenger bag, backpack or purse and bring with you on the go. Not something you'd stick in your pocket, though. (Unless baggy pants come back in a big way!)

Yes. I think this is right with a large battery and a full 1080p screen. This is not going to be 3DS size.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

You're acting like matching power with their competitors would be a bad thing.

But they would be matching power with their competitors. Their competitors are mobile gaming & the last gen of portable systems. These specs blow the last gen of portable systems away & compete just fine with mobile games.

Nintendo doesn't view Sony & Microsoft as competitors and hasn't for quite some time now.

 

[GrayDock]

Nintendo should keep the NX, as in Next:

Nintendo Next... to you, everywhere.

This one is free N, but I'll take a NX just in case

 

[Astral Dog]

That's a tablet with a battery 3x the size of an iPhone 6 or 3DS XL. I talk about a smartphone size battery, which is what we can expect from a handheld, and you give me something 3x the size. My estimation looked like it was pretty damn accurate.

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, at all.

Ofcourse they'll look the same. I'm just hoping for a good resolution, framerate and AA on NX.

Its going to run/look a bit better as NX is more powerful, but differences are going to be smaller than anyone expected

On the other hand ✋
Portable massive Zelda BotW

 

[-MD-]

I wonder why so many people keep nagging about BC.
Fuck BC. Buy a WiiU.

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Ahhh, I completely get what you are saying. Then the controllers would also function as a sort of "grip". They could also completely go behind the screen for portability.

Exactly, I don't think two tiny nunchuk sized controllers is the right conclusion to jump to with this rumor.

 

[The Stranger]

As long as they've finally completely ditched motion controls I'm happy.

Excited for some potentially upgraded mainline Pokemon games in the future if they decide to drop the 3DS in favor of NX.

 

[Willy Wanka]

No BC is disappointing. I'm also not sure why I would even want a hybrid machine but I'm glad they are still going to be making portable games at least.

 

[StereoVsn]

The K1 is also not the X1, which is notably more power-hungry. This is also assuming a very large tablet-sized battery.

At 0.5 TF they are probably throttling the hell (or customizing) the X1 SOC. Man, and we thought Jaguar CPU is weak .

If these sort of numbers are correct then Nintendo basically is done with console market. That can't even run 1080P well (as evidenced by Xbone itself).

Edit: No BC is unfortunate but they had to change platforms. Now, if they don't bring over 3DS AND WiiU BC purchases over, that would be truly unfortunate.

 

[maxcriden]

Ok, so if the NX portable contains two *separate* detachable controllers, i.e. neither transformerize together to form a single controller: will this be for Player 2 only when playing on the console, or will this be the primary/main controller for the console?

 

[Vandiger]

All this new found money and this is what they are going to launch. Fuck them

 

[Always-honest]

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games.

Then buy a WiiU.

 

[look321]

This sounds very interesting....

 

[ShockingAlberto]

yo Pokemon is going to look like Sun/Moon but run better

People expecting Ni no Kuni with Pokemon aren't going to be happy

 

[facetheslayer92]

That would make me buy the NX instantly


... that and a new Metroid Prime

Oh my God, I'd cry if this happened. Haven't bought a Nintendo console since 2008.

 

[cyberheater]

That's a tablet with a battery 3x the size of an iPhone 6 or 3DS XL. I talk about a smartphone size battery, which is what we can expect from a handheld, and you give me something 3x the size. My estimation looked like it was pretty damn accurate.

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, at all.

The portable NX is not going to be phone sized. Think more like a tablet.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Looks like Nintendo are done battling it out in the home console space. Instead just focusing on a handheld with TV features thrown in. Probably the right move for them TBH.

 

[Griss]

???????????

Thanks for two examples of controllers Nintendo got right. Especially the GC controller, which remains GOAT.

 

[reKon]

Would I be able to at least buy Wii U games digitally to play on this thing?

 

[aBarreras]

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games.

then why do you want BC for half dozen games? huh?!

 

[ASIS]

Look at the patent a few posts up, the dock might be able to boost the resolution or have some kind of impact on the visuals.

.. I still don't understand how this all works. But let's say that this dock will really power up the system. How much will that do? And can a single game benefit from the extra power while still being compatible with the base specs? Can some games require the extra power to run? If so then that means we will still have a different home console/handheld experience but in one console.

So many questions. So, so many questions. If the Wii U taught me anything, its that having questions about a console's premise is not a good thing. But on the other hand, this will have a killer library so I'm not complaining.

 

[jstripes]

Those didn't sell WiiUs, why sell NX?

You can't take the Wii U with you.


The only downside I can see to this is the family fights it's gonna cause over who gets to take the NX with them.

 

[-MD-]

Then buy a WiiU.

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games.

then why do you want BC for half dozen games? huh?!

lol

 

[Galava]

Ideally, but that's probably too much, the portable would be around 500 gflops and around 800gflop to 1tf for with the tv attachment.

That would easily give us Zelda BotW with way better graphics than the WiiU on the portable (better textures, models, draw distance...) at 540p, and the same at 1080p on tv. That would be the ideal scenario.

That would also completely allow PS4 ports on the portable. There is no reason FFXV (for exemple) wouldn't run at 540p on such a portable system with some lower models. Why would SE do it ? I'm prettty sure a portable release of the game would double, maybe triple its sales in Japan.. Imagine a special edition NX customized with FFXV ?

Just an exemple of what a 500gflop portable console from Nintendo could bring.

Indeed. We are going to get WiiU quality games on portable, and they already look great (Mario Kart, Splatoon, Zelda...). I personally don't need cutting edge graphics on Nintendo consoles, I'd buy a PC for that (or a PS4/XBONE if you don't care that much).

 

[21XX]

The "Go" thing was proposed a looooong time ago, or at least I saw it. It's just that with pokemon go, lara croft go, hitman go, etcetc Go... The name "Go" is mroe relevant than ever and people can easily understand the concept without seeing the console. The marketing for that branding is already done.

I understand what you're saying, but Hitman and Laura Croft Go are bad examples. Relatively no one in the general public are going to know anything about that. That, and "Go" just suggests portability, something that a Nintendo handheld has been doing for decades. It doesn't do anything to cement the home/portable nature (if that is actually the whole hook here).

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Those didn't sell WiiUs, why sell NX?

Because reasons.

 

[Jarmel]

It's because multiplayer, specifically first party multiplayer, is meant to be simple and easily controlled by one side having a d-pad and the other having buttons.

How would something like Splatoon even work off that? Third parties wouldn't even bother.

 

[casey_contra]

Exactly, I don't think two tiny nunchuk sized controllers is the right conclusion to jump to with this rumor.

One of the most exciting things about this is that it would essentially ship with two controllers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this hasn't happened since the NES/SNES days.

 

[civilstrife]

???????????

The Gamecube controller was butter in your hands. Brilliant controller.

N64 was easily the best controller of that gen until the dualshock was released.

 

[mikeyvids]

I don't see a reason for Nintendo to put detachable controllers; even if they are just for casual gaming. It is not needed, just sell wiimotes at 9,99 or less for the ones who want it.

About VR, maybe a couple of years down the line Nintendo sells a "PSVR" extension and headset for NX, once the tech is good and cheap enough.

We know Nintendo will be using gyros in the last 2 gen portables.

We know this screen is going to be higher resolution, most likely 1080p at minimum.

Even if it's a gimmick like PSVR or Google Cardboard I don't think Nintendo would pass up the opportunity. It's also the only logical explanation in my mind for an otherwise poor design choice of removable controllers.

I can do VR on a last gen Samsung or iPhone. The technology is here. Maybe not at the VIVE or Oculus level we all want but neither was AR on the 3DS.

 

[wapplew]

What if NX also a phone?

 

[Neiteio]

If it's tablet-sized, like I think it will be, I can see how they'll pitch it to the masses:

"Nintendo has released their own tablet! You can play Nintendo games on it! Yeah, ones with good controls! Your friend can even join in! And you can play them on your TV, too!"

I think there could be a market for that. "Tablet" is the olive branch of understanding. This time without all the very non-tablet-like restrictions of the WiiU, and without the muddled messaging of that system (e.g. "is it a system or a Wii add-on?").

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Nintendo need to also target the huge mostly untapped children's market as well as differentiating themselves from the PS4 by being portable.

That way they can eek out a successful existence in the gaming market. Surprised Sony hasn't released more content that appeals to younger audiences by this point.

 

[Jonneh3003]

.. I still don't understand how this all works. But let's say that this dock will really power up the system. How much will that do? And can a single game benefit from the extra power while still being compatible with the base specs? Can some games require the extra power to run? If so then that means we will still have a different home console/handheld experience but in one console.

So many questions. So, so many questions. If the Wii U taught me anything, its that having questions about a console's premise is not a good thing. But on the other hand, this will have a killer library so I'm not complaining.

We mostly have questions because we haven't seen the system yet. All will be clear in about 2 months.

 

[family_guy]

Where will you store those digital games? On an SD card? It's going to be one expensive SD card that would make PSV memory card looks cheap.

I imagine the dock could potentially be sort of like iTunes on the desktop. Download the apps and games you want to the dock with either internal or external HDD support, and from there you can transfer them to the handheld. I doubt it would be SD, probably micro SD because they switched to that for New Nintendo 3DS. You can get a 200GB microSD for less than $80.

 

[Always-honest]

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games.

Aparently they only worry about old games.
Plenty of that on the WiiU.

 

[AntMurda]

Nobody wants to buy a dead console for half a dozen games

Same way a hardware manufacturer doesn't want to compromise their new machine for half a dozen games.

 

[Kathian]

You can't take the Wii U with you.


The only downside I can see to this is the family fights it's gonna cause over who gets to take the NX with them.

It'll target like a handheld I.e. own one each. Then play together on the big TV with one base station.

 

[Thabass]

The portable NX is not going to be phone sized. Think more like a tablet.

I was thinking more of a phablet or whatever they're called.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Why couldnt this do 3DS BC exactly?

Seems like it wouldnt be a huge stretch it have it

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure the hardware is too different to do it natively.

The 3DS could have DS BC, and run the GBA ambassador games, because its hardware was similar to the DS which was similar to the GBA.

Likewise, with homebrew, you could play GameCube games on the Wii U. This is only possible because the Wii U is a super Wii which is a super GameCube. Nintendo's been using the same basic architecture for over 15 years. NX is pretty much the best point for a clean break.

 

[the androgyne]

Well it looks like devs will have there choice as to whether they want to focus in the handheld side or the console side atleast. Because i just don't see how just Dance is gonna work on a portable lol.

That's interesting actually, maybe they intend to continue offering tailored (for home/portable) experiences just within the one game, locked behind detection of how the system is being used. Ie you're using it outsidr so you can't select the home game modes, only something else suitable for portable play?

Could have multiple machine skus like Iwata said, maybe even controller-less (touch screen only), and maybe even different price points for the same game ie pay less since you're not getting the full experience on touch screen only, pay to upgrade later when you buy a controller and/or dock. DLC linked to hardware kinda