This is what id thought originally, but evidently they are each their own separate controller. Remains to be seen whether they are larger under the screen itself, so they can be not quote as tiny (or the HH itself will be huge).
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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This is what id thought originally, but evidently they are each their own separate controller. Remains to be seen whether they are larger under the screen itself, so they can be not quote as tiny (or the HH itself will be huge).
OrbitalBeard
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Multiple SKUs with different architectures and chip partners? Hell no.
Multiple SKUs with different hardware components (one SKU with both the handheld and docking station, one without the dock, etc.)? Maybe. But probably not at launch. Nintendo needs to make this as simple as possible up front. Sell a single SKU on day one.
Ruud_Luiten
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ArchedThunder
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It's a handheld and really beefy.
What has Eurogamer broken? Besides being buddy buddy with Emily Rogers.
They are now alsostaking their handheld market on it lol yikes. Hope it works though. I think if Wii U had done it right the first time it could have taken off
Ninja Scooter
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Spoiler: they don't want to compete in the core console space anymore. It's been a losing battle for them for nearly 20 years. It's long past time for people to let go of that dream, unless you want Nintendo to stop existing completely.
But Gamecube sold almost 10 mi more that the WiiU
ProtomanNeo
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I think the missing part from the mockups is the tech they got from Sharp. The whole rounded screen bit. The shaped screen could accommodate controllers that could snap in place.
Huge Succeeded
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because there's a LOT more use for capacitive in gaming contexts than there are for resistive.
Uses that people are used to all around the world by now.
Simple things, like zooming by pinching, or using two fingers to scroll. And not having to clutter up the screen space with a billion little icons to achieve those same exact things.
How do you rotate an object on a Wii U pad? You press the little button that rotates objects...
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Iwata's comments that it wasn't a hybrid were years ago and he's no longer in charge of Nintendo.
People rather believe Metal Dave over Eurogamer at this point.
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1. Hybrid device. Plug it to your TV and play your games on the big screen. Potentially, use addons for extra power or backwards compatibility.
2. Iterative devices. No more jump from one generation to another, Nintendo adopting the smartphone concept. Change the central part every once in a while, newer games may or may not support older revisions.
3. A step towards phone integration. Because of the detachable controller, the screen itself looks so much like a phone it would be an opportunity wasted not to develop communication applications. If not this one, future iterations will have a SIM slot somewhere.
4. With Nintendo obviously being a phone manufacturer now, it's only normal to allow compatibility with Android apps.
5. Now that the NX is an Android phone with a dedicated Nintendo Store, it would be only fair to have this store available on other phones, as it's Android compatible. Nintendo keeps making money by selling hardware, and selling their much wanted software exclusively through their eShop, without giving a dime to Google. People finally have Nintendo games on their phone, under Nintendo very strict conditions to make them keep racking profit.
Step 4 and 5 will be in the far future, obviously. Even though they technically could, they can't launch a phone now as they would be crushed by a sceptical market. They need to sneak their way in through their mobile gaming device.
1. Hybrid device. Plug it to your TV and play your games on the big screen. Potentially, use addons for extra power or backwards compatibility.
2. Iterative devices. No more jump from one generation to another, Nintendo adopting the smartphone concept. Change the central part every once in a while, newer games may or may not support older revisions.
3. A step towards phone integration. Because of the detachable controller, the screen itself looks so much like a phone it would be an opportunity wasted not to develop communication applications. If not this one, future iterations will have a SIM slot somewhere.
4. With Nintendo obviously being a phone manufacturer now, it's only normal to allow compatibility with Android apps.
5. Now that the NX is an Android phone with a dedicated Nintendo Store, it would be only fair to have this store available on other phones, as it's Android compatible. Nintendo keeps making money by selling hardware, and selling their much wanted software exclusively through their eShop, without giving a dime to Google. People finally have Nintendo games on their phone, under Nintendo very strict conditions to make them keep racking profit.
Step 4 and 5 will be in the far future, obviously. Even though they technically could, they can't launch a phone now as they would be crushed by a sceptical market. They need to sneak their way in through their mobile gaming device.
NX has a screen. Or am I missunderstanding your question?
themagicalkitsune
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For this megaton? I would expect a 24 hour livestream of discussions and theories lol
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The problem with this is the handheld has been selling better than the console so in theory you'd want to push the handheld only unit asap.
You'd be gimping your sales pushing the hybrid only unit with all the extras.
Dark Cloud
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Yet a rumor about some hybrid is believed by everybody because it's eurogamer? Not one person has been able to explain how detachable controllers would work good detached and look good attached to the NX screen.
How do I play Splatoon with two Wii like controllers and I have a d-pad on the left side with abxy on the other side? I'll be floating my hands in the air holding two controllers while trying to keep them stable when pressing the buttons.
Multiple SKU is different controller type. You want xbox layout? You got it. You want DS layout you got it.
Omnistalgic
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PeakPointMatrix said:
The problem their trying to solve isn't a consumer one, but rather the though position they are in.
They have little appeal to mainstream core gamers who want realistic art styles and genres like FPS, Sports, Action games, GTA/AssCreed type games etc. that are the biggest part of the console gaming market by far.
Putting out a powerful console probably won't get many of those ports long term as those types of games just won't sell all that well. The base for those games is already on other platforms as we're in the middle of a generation, and only a minority have any interest in the types of games Nintendo makes. Add in that most Nintendo diehards (I.e. Those who only buy their hardware) actively dislike those types of games and avoid the competitor consoles for that reason, and there's just not a big market there.
As such, their hardware is now pretty much machines you only buy if you love Nintendo games and the niche Japanese stuff (most of the indies are available elsewhere). There problem on that front is they've had that market split in two between handheld and portable for every which has upped development costs and limited the potential attach rates. This has gotten worse by the east/west market divide with consoles declining dramatically in Asia (especially Japan) and handhelds declining dramatically in the west (especially the US).
Thus a hybrid machine lets them attempt to bridge that market gap they have. It's reduces development costs as they don't have to develop two Mario Karts per gen etc. anymore. They can make one and sell it and DLC to both their portable and console fans (as well as those who play both ways). Attach rates will be upped by everyone who owns the platform being able to buy it, while in the past their titles weren't all available to the handheld only or console only crowds.
If they can pull it off where it works decent as a console when docked (at least close to X1) and as a portable (decent battery life with reduced resolution etc. compared to when docked) and price it right ($250ish ideally) it could be a best of both worlds scenario.
Console only gamers can rarely undock it. Portable only can rarely dock it. And those who like both can grab and go as they please. All while all three types of gamers can buy every game Nintendo publlishes and every piece of DLC for relevant titles.
Spyder_Monkey
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An actual journalistic outlet is far more trustworthy than SuperMetalDave.
SuperLeviathan
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The design needs a d-pad somewhere. Not having it would hurt playability of platformers and nearly all VC games.
NinjaCoachZ
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They weren't the first to report it (that was Kotaku) but they had multiple independent sources inform them of the PS4 Neo. They're a major site. They have the connections.
EDIT:
Recent rumours broken by Eurogamer
- Independently confirmed the PS4 Neo is real, and provided a megaton of details surrounding it
- Prey 2 and Skyrim remaster to be revealed at E3
- Mother 3 is indeed being released in the west (yet to be proven, but they reported it)
Bear in mind Kotaku backed this up too. Some examples of stories they broke:
- PS4 Neo's existence
- FFVersus XIII cancelled and turned into FFXV
- Fallout 4
- Destiny BTS drama
etc. etc. etc.
If ?anything, this reveal/launch will be interesting. My thoughts:
1) Scrollable bumpers/triggers? That's the one controller enhancement I'm really looking forward to.
2) SCD dock? This would make it so the console would be upgradeable while not having to buy a new system every time.
3) How comfortable would it be to hold? How big is it? Seems like a hassle to fit in your pocket, but it needs to be big enough to take advantage of the power. Also, the detachable controllers might need more explanation. This is just something I need to see an actual picture/hold in my hands before judging.
4) I'm still hoping we'll be able to download our Wii U/3DS games that we've already bought (we won't have to buy the same games again; pipe dream I know). Brings up the question how they'll get around the two screens. Turn vertical and separate controllers?
5) How will we connect it to the TV? Can we use the controller while it's connected to the TV?
Lots of questions, pros, and cons. Interested in learning more.
1) Scrollable bumpers/triggers? That's the one controller enhancement I'm really looking forward to.
2) SCD dock? This would make it so the console would be upgradeable while not having to buy a new system every time.
3) How comfortable would it be to hold? How big is it? Seems like a hassle to fit in your pocket, but it needs to be big enough to take advantage of the power. Also, the detachable controllers might need more explanation. This is just something I need to see an actual picture/hold in my hands before judging.
4) I'm still hoping we'll be able to download our Wii U/3DS games that we've already bought (we won't have to buy the same games again; pipe dream I know). Brings up the question how they'll get around the two screens. Turn vertical and separate controllers?
5) How will we connect it to the TV? Can we use the controller while it's connected to the TV?
Lots of questions, pros, and cons. Interested in learning more.
SMD actually had a huge leak that turned out TRUE. Eurogamer/Rogers have done what?
1st Course
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So basically a handheld that output to TV?
Can't fault them for avoiding the console route after the Wii U though. Nintendo strength is in their handheld business.
Can't fault them for avoiding the console route after the Wii U though. Nintendo strength is in their handheld business.
StrongBlackVine
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This sounds awful. I just wanted a traditional home console. No desire to buy any handheld.
Ah, interesting. In that case when each controller piece detached it really could be that small since they'd be identical.
I didn't see anything about this. Good question. I'd be surprised if a touchscreen is a thing of the past, but perhaps. Did the articles say either way?
Well, we do have those rumored ports, including a SSB port. Makes sense. But, I think the remasters would probably come before new versions for games like those.
An hour? They are preparing a Ken Burn's length documentary with all of this gold.
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Yeah, in the past.
It really doesn't matter. They don't report false stories as far as I know.
In the garbage bin..
Multitouch and using fingers for smooth sliding is the best!
You know you can get multitouch resistive screens now, and you can also use your fingers on a resistive screen, right?
Actually, it would be unprecedented to use a single vendor for both. Sony used PPC and Nvidia for PS3, MIPS and an in-house GPU for PSP, x86 and AMD for PS4 and ARM and PowerVR for Vita. Nintendo used PPC and AMD in Wii U and ARM and DMP in 3DS. If you're planning to outright share a full library between the two devices it's going to be easier to do so if they use the same architectures (from a software optimisation point of view), but you don't absolutely have to, and with everything supporting Vulkan, and both AMD and Nvidia offering ARM CPUs, it's a lot easier than it would ever have been before to share a library across devices from completely different vendors.
Not that I think it will happen, but it's definitely do-able if Nintendo for some reason wanted to do it.
LordRaptor
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Are... are you trying to claim people don't have SD Cards in their phones?
Sorry dude I was just being a little facetious because I found that post funny not in what you were saying but it sounded like a philosophical discussion
. Anyway your right who know what Iwata had in mind when he made that statement. Maybe NX at that point wasn't what it is today. That's what I'm choosing to go with.Obliterator
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Hmm this actually makes quite a bit of sense. Maybe Nintendo realizes the home console market is a lost cause for them at this point and sees this as basically the successor to the 3DS with home gaming as an extra bullet point but not the focus. That actually could make a deal of sense in terms of why it is designed this way
Tegra is reasonably power heavy and hot compared to most mobile tech, so it'd have to be bigger than the 3ds board. I'm thinking bigger than the vita.
Mango Positive
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Gaming on the go!
Too bad I have to drive everywhere. I like gaming on my couch. Or in my comfy office chair. I also really like Mario games and the like, but I just can't get excited about this. After the Wii-U, actually releasing a new device that's less powerful... I just can't support that. I've never been a hand held guy, so I'm happy for you DSers, but I'm out. Atleast most I don't have to buy a new system to get the better version of the new Zelda!
Too bad I have to drive everywhere. I like gaming on my couch. Or in my comfy office chair. I also really like Mario games and the like, but I just can't get excited about this. After the Wii-U, actually releasing a new device that's less powerful... I just can't support that. I've never been a hand held guy, so I'm happy for you DSers, but I'm out. At
DrROBschiz
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So in review
Sell the Handheld with dock now
Sell a dedicated console later?
Holy shit you are blowing my mind right now.... but does that mean they would have to announce both to avoid people confusing this as the console?
because as it stands right now its all about the Hybrid being everything
That would be yet another dance for marketing
Baleoce
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I'd play on the bus if it's a nice compact form-factor like previous handhelds. But this is sounding like it's going to be a bit bigger.
Thats what I was thinking, I mean it sound like a beefy handheld but still a handheld
Well I don't know what to think...I personally believe this is going to flip worse than the Wii U. I'm not buying a shitty 2 year old mobile cpu powered console in 2017. 3rd parties will not support this thing. The only thing that could possibly save this for me is this is the handheld and there is a real console coming and they both share the same code name.
And he fucked that source out of a job. Having one well placed source at one point in time doesn't give him a pass on this.
OrbitalBeard
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If this is launching in March, not really. Having a single SKU during that time will be fine.
During its first holiday, yeah, having a handheld only version might be ideal. Assuming they even go this route. I could honestly see Nintendo sticking with a single retail option.
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