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[exmachina64]

Why can't the dock be sold separately for x price.

The crux of this idea is that Nintendo will take advantage of the SCD patent and other technology to make a high-powered external CPU, GPU, and memory combo. That effectively makes the dock a console by itself.

Disregarding the issues with latency and trying to use all the disparate hardware elements in tandem, it would be a pain to program for. That and it would be expensive.

Selling the handheld for $300+ and the dock for $200+ is going to be a hard sell for many people. By virtue of no dock being included, it's already going to be limited to a subset of the NX's install base. A high price further limits the amount of people that will buy one. If you only get 30% of customers buying a dock because it's an expensive add-on, only Nintendo's going to support it.

So if Nintendo listens to everyone saying they want a powerful, expensive dock, then most third party support will be handheld games.

 

[Philippo]

Base SKU (only the portable device) = 199$
Now You're Playing with Power SKU (handheld + dock that improves the performance and does 1080p) = 279$

 

[xJavonta]

If this means a new Pokemon main line game on my fucking TV I will buy one.

 

[DrROBschiz]

A rumor passed around news sites a year or so ago that Nintendo was shooting for a mid-range system (less powerful than the other two) that could hit the impulse buy price range of $199-$249. Don't be shocked at all if this is true.

Im on board with that

 

[orioto]

Also Tegra X1 is not a very exciting GPU.

Right ? It's just 100x more powerful than their last portable and 3 times more than a WiiU, in a portable. Nothing exciting here.

 

[Donnie]

Feel this has to be in bold as too many people are just ignoring it. This rumour says the X1 GPU used in NX handheld is actively cooled. The stock X1 isn't actively cooled therefore this is not a stock X1 GPU, its faster or wouldn't require active cooling"

 

[Angry Chair]

The Pokémon GO hype probably would have died down by the time the NX comes out, so I wouldn't be too sure of that.

Cmon, don't take your frustrations out on Pokemon GO because you can't say the NX isn't a hybrid anymore.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Oh wow, hahaha.

 

[Plinko]

Response



I really love Nintendo, but we don't have to invent things to make this rumor true.
It just doesn't fit.

The only thing thats new and could be expected to happen is that you have shared libraries. But thats also not a new experience.

If Eurogamer is running this, my guess is it's true.

 

[Zombie James]

Does the NO BACKWARDS Compatibility in the OP have any weight?

Because if so, Nintendo done fucked up.

PowerPC has no place in a mobile device. Way too power hungry.

 

[Ervik]

Wait for it be called the Wii U Tu or something and priced at 349 because Nintendo.

Seriously though, I'm kinda interested so far.

 

[Neoxon]

Cmon, don't take your frustrations out on Pokemon GO because you can't say the NX isn't a hybrid anymore.

It's not that, it's the nature of mobile games. They're fun, but they don't last very long in the spotlight.

 

[bounchfx]

this is pretty damn close to what I had wanted/predicted future gaming devices to be.

my prediction (still remains to be seen!) was something like an iphone being your home console. wirelessly streams to the TV and you can bluetooth connect a controller device to it. becomes ultra convenient. this NX idea is pretty close but with it in itself being a portable gaming device instead of a phone. i'm down

 

[Virtua Ben]

Out of all the "new" consoles coming out, I'm most excited for the NX -- why? Because it's not following the conventional path. I've got a PC that could eat anything new that Sony or Microsoft could make. Nintendo just might give me something that my PC can't do and I'm excited for that.

But (and I'm sure this has been brought up already) what does that mean for the 3ds?

 

[TunaLover]

Dragon Quest XI was announced for PS4, NX, and 3DS, but because the NX was only recently announced months beforehand Square Enix had to retract the statement and say "WE MEANT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT."

We are just assuming it was the case.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Right ? It's just 100x more powerful than their last portable and 3 times more than a WiiU, in a portable. Nothing exciting here.

Lets remember that the X1 spec is just being used in early dev kits

who knows what the final chipset will be

I hope its Parker

 

[Askherserenity]

The problem is more on the limitations of the handheld form - factor.

Also Tegra X1 is not a very exciting GPU.

If it does end up having an X1, I'm sure it'll be a highly customized version. Reports have said it might be running an over clocked chip right?

It should put it pretty damn close to current gen hardware.

Of course if it's running Parker then that'll be even more exciting.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

My guess is a price of $250-300 for the system or maybe they'll do separate sku's for a home hub or something. I am worried about high capacity cartridge prices causing inflated game prices just like the 90's.

That's too high of a price for a handheld. Even if it's a "hybrid", it's mainly a handheld from the sound of this rumor. $250 is the max and that's too high as well. It'll be a hard sell if they tout it being a mobile device because people will be expecting it to be priced like their mobile devices which is around $175-$200.

Many people are sadly mistaken thinking "cartridges" are high priced in 2016. The only reason "cartridges" were expensive back in the 90's was because the rom chips used were expensive to produce back in then.

Those days are long gone. "Cartridge" = flash storage, and in today's world, this is in mass production and cheap to produce. You should expect pricing to remain consistent to what you see now for games.

I REPEAT, CARTRIDGE = NAND FLASH STORAGE AND IS CHEAP TO PRODUCE IN TODAY'S WORLD. IT'S 2016, NOT 1990

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Sounds fine, as long as none of the technology present isn't half-assed... i.e. analog sticks, not nubs; multitouch touchscreen, etc...

If they're actually shooting for VR support, I'm wondering if they're trying to compete more with the smartphone/mobile VR (Gear VR) instead of the "premium" VR of PC and PS4. Seems woefully under-powered to go head to head with PC and PS4. Could have an external processing solution built into their VR headset, if that's indeed a goal of theirs, I suppose.

It sounds fine for Nintendo production but I have to wonder if 3rd parties are actually going to be interested in scaling their games to meet NX specifications. My personal hope that Nintendo would once again be #1 *and* provide similar third party support as its competitors still seems distant based on these early reports, but I suppose we have to wait and see -- i.e. the hope is strong despite the odds.

I'm curious to see if they plan to push the third party onus onto iOS and android game developers. If the system is using a modified android kernel it would make sense, especially with the hybrid approach and the new mobile push from the company. It would be interesting for Nintendo to pursue a different type of third party support than their competition. Whether it will work or not will likely be cause for some disagreements.

 

[Inglorious_ Man]

I think a lot of people here are just freaked out about the term "handheld".

They think we'll just be getting 3DS like experiences from now on and no more console titles from Nintendo.

But this is the whole point of the system. Nintendo wants to bridge that gap.

You'll be able to play console like experiences wherever you want. You can also just dock the thing and just use it as a home console and just pick it up to play in bed sometimes.

If Nintendo actually does this right, this should be pretty damn great.

I agree with you. I think that Sony tried to bridge the gap with the PS4 and Vita with cross buy and cross save but the NX is going to really bridge the gap between console and handheld.

 

[psyfi]

This concept isn't really a hybrid, so Nintendo claiming this wouldn't be a hybrid might still be accurate. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo comes out with a more powerful TV-centered version of the NX in a few years. I really don't see them ever splitting their userbase again, though. I'm not sure how they'll handle that if they make a living room machine again.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

carts? I wonder how expensive that will be.

 

[elshoelace]

Wait for it be called the Wii U Tu or something and priced at 349 because Nintendo.

Seriously though, I'm kinda interested so far.

I think the WiiGo sounds better.

 

[Neoxon]

Does the NO BACKWARDS Compatibility in the OP have any weight?

Because if so, Nintendo done fucked up.

It'd be kinda hard to put PowerPC, an architecture that's a dying breed, in a hybrid device.

 

[Randomizer]

This was a Nikkei rumor, IIRC? Samsung was making donut-screens, Nikkei reported Nintendo wanted to use them for a handheld.

Wasn't there evidence and reports stating Nintendo had partnered with Sharp for their new free form displays?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Sharp was making the free-form screens and people thought it would be for NX.

Sharp, that was it. Seems they themselves said Nintendo would be the first customer for the free-form screens and it was Japan Times that reported it would be a donut-shaped thing.

 

[exmachina64]

Right ? It's just 100x more powerful than their last portable and 3 times more than a WiiU, in a portable. Nothing exciting here.

Many people in the U.S. market want a device that receives multiplatform games so they don't feel forced to buy multiple consoles.

 

[dh4niel]

Why are people calling it a hybrid when it's just a handheld console with detachable controllers?

 

[Sadist]

Out of all the "new" consoles coming out, I'm most excited for the NX -- why? Because it's not following the conventional path. I've got a PC that could eat anything new that Sony or Microsoft could make. Nintendo just might give me something that my PC can't do and I'm excited for that.

But (and I'm sure this has been brought up already) what does that mean for the 3ds?

It's over five years old. NX will be it's follow up

 

[Father_Brain]

Iwata on future hardware form factors, January 2014. I could have sworn he unambiguously denied a hybrid more recently than this, but I guess a lot of us, myself included, have bad memories.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

 

[ZOONAMI]

There will still be a separate dedicated home console. If this rumor is even real this is only the handheld.

Nintendo completely exiting the home console business (outside of tv connectivity for a handheld system), makes very little sense given the success of the ps4 and the slow 3ds sales versus the ds. The failure of the wii u would not deter them from seeking another huge home console success. They haven't forgotten about the wii selling well over 100 million units, and the ps4 basically already at 50 millions units should make it clear that in the West at least they would be foolish to completely abandon the home console space. If they can sell even 30 million next-gen home consoles it would be well worth it to them as a platform holder, and if they aren't even going to make an attempt, they have lost faith in themselves to make a compelling home console entertainment system, and I find that hard to believe.

 

[Hakai]

Right ? It's just 100x more powerful than their last portable and 3 times more than a WiiU, in a portable. Nothing exciting here.

if you think is exciting, good for you, to me it is not! 3x times Wii U is basically nothing at this point, this thing don't exist in a vacum we have things with way more power.

It may be fantastical to the portable guys, but the home console part is just underwhelming.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Does the NO BACKWARDS Compatibility in the OP have any weight?

Because if so, Nintendo done fucked up.

Yeah...

Expect a lot of WiiU ports bro sorry

Maybe they will let people who bought it digitally to own it on the new system and have codes for physical buyers?

Probably not though

 

[exmachina64]

Why are people calling it a hybrid when it's just a handheld console with detachable controllers?

Because of the TV display functionality.

You can either think of it as a hybrid console that can be played on the go or on your TV or as a handheld that can display on your TV.

 

[MysteryQuesadilla]

I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic in how this turns out. If the reveal is cool and the software lineup is there, I'm show I'll be all day one hype.

 

[Hip Hop]

It would be perfect if they take their own model that they have done in the past with their handhelds, but apply it even more, and upgrade the console over time with new parts every few years or so to increase its power like the PS4 and X1 will do.

I think in this day and age, it's a must.

 

[Stiler]

Whelp, does seem like Nintendo is really out of touch with the markets.

Why would someone get this over their phones that they already own? Especially if it doesn't do everything a phone can do and simply plays games?

Who's going to want to carry this around with them everywhere they go like they do their mobile phones?

Also if it's meant to replace the Wii U....but it can't even compete vs a ps4/xbone in terms of ease of development/porting/graphical prowess then ugh, I just don't see it going well for Nintenod at all.

It's like those things that try to be too many things at once and in the end while it's versatile it doesn't really do any one thing better then things made specifically for that purpose.

The mobile market has no room for dedicated large handhelds that aren't easily carryable in your pocket or offer nothing outside of just games (Why would someone pick this over an Iphone or something that can play games plus send/receive texts/calls, use the internet to watch videos and everything).

I had high hopes that NX was finally going to be Nintendo trying to get back to actually making games for GAMERS and not trying their best to somehow inch their way into "casuals" or breaking that market like the Wii did.

Seems they have not learned anything from the Wii U nor the 3ds XL.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Both as a home console and a handheld, a platform that's slightly more powerful than the WiiU would be more than adequate for me.

I'd day-1 this right away. But, I hope there's another twist to the NX than it just being a hybrid. That seems like a bit of an underwhelimg reveal after all the secrecy.

Also, I know this is still all conjecture, but I whipped up something for all the users that were treating the hybrid idea as something not even worth considering:

(I kid guys. I get shit wrong all the time. Who knows, it still might not be a hybrid at all.)

 

[Fourth Storm]

It would be cool if they made the exterior the heat sink and we got a really nice aluminum hh with gentle fins.

I can't imagine Nintendo going with an internal fan. Seems too risky and creates a point of failure that could be disastrous to the longevity of the system. A fan in the dock makes more sense, but only if you have the right materials. It's the only feasible way i can think of that you could increase the wattage while the system was docked and not have serious adverse consequences.

Perhaps an aluminum back to the main unit, with the controllers on either side being plastic? We can still dream, right?

Didnt that patent say that the SCD would have its own CPU and GPU, meanwhile it would able to increase proccessing power through nearby SCDs?

The patent outlined a number of scenarios, but it stressed being a low cost device. It states that the SCD may or may not have a power supply, I/O components, or even a video card (by this, I assume they mean GPU, as consoles rely on embedded designs)! I actually think the SCD may be an idea for the future and not this base station we are hearing about. We'll find out soon.

 

[DecoReturns]

Nintendo news freaks everybody out everytime.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Iwata on future hardware form factors, January 2014. I could have sworn he unambiguously denied a hybrid more recently than this, but I guess a lot of us, myself included, have bad memories.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html

I remember that being way more definitive.

 

[blu]

Why are people calling it a hybrid when it's just a handheld console with detachable controllers?

Because it revs to home console levels when used in a stationary form, attached to a tv.

 

[maxcriden]

$300, you know it to be true.

Dangerous game to play with HH preferrers, especially if there's only one SKU at launch.

 

[Zombie James]

Right ? It's just 100x more powerful than their last portable and 3 times more than a WiiU, in a portable. Nothing exciting here.

It's exciting for Nintendo, I guess, since they're so far behind the curve, but not in terms of the industry. The Tegra X1 is going to be nearly two years old by the time the NX ships.

 

[Peterc]

If Eurogamer is running this, my guess is it's true.

Maybe it is, but everyone know the nx rumor started with hybrid.

Smartphone tablet are already doing that without docking/base station, so why we need that?

Also Nintendo is afraid they would be copied if they released the idea already.

What do they mean by that? ps4 -> psvita can share games using wifi.

 

[Guevara]

Why are people calling it a hybrid when it's just a handheld console with detachable controllers?

Either it's a hybrid, or Nintendo is exiting the home console business.

 

[Phoenixus]

Betting that they'll go with 3DS case sizes for NX games. Doubt they'll go to Vita extremes.

 

[Virtua Ben]

It's over five years old. NX will be it's follow up

3ds as a platform, yeah. Guess I'm just a little jilted because I got a new 3ds. Oh well, it'll still be relevant for a number of months

 

[Randomizer]

There will still be a separate dedicated home console. If this rumor is even real this is only the handheld.

Nintendo completely exiting the home console business (outside of tv connectivity for a handheld system), makes very little sense given the success of the ps4 and the slow 3ds sales versus the ds. The failure of the wii u would not deter them from seeking another huge home console success. They haven't forgotten about the wii selling well over 100 million units, and the ps4 basically already at 50 millions units should make it clear that in the West at least they would be foolish to completely abandon the home console space. If they can sell even 30 million next-gen home consoles it would be well worth it to them as a platform holder, and if they aren't even going to make an attempt, they have lost faith in themselves to make a compelling home console entertainment system, and I find that hard to believe.

Seems reasonable. But perhaps they are going all in, in the Japanese market were even the mighty Ps4 is floundering? Home consoles are pretty much dead there outside the very hardcore.

 

[Maxinas]

There will still be a separate dedicated home console. If this rumor is even real this is only the handheld.

What would be the point of making a device that can be played on a TV, if they will make another console specifically for TV's? If this leak is actually true, than this IS the home console and a handheld console.