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[whiteninja]

So when this things connected to a tv and you detach the sides, do they just snap together to form a controller? Or is there some other device they connect to or maybe a wii u pro controller of some sort.

Wonder if it will be android based.

 

[Jonneh3003]

All of the sudden I'm more inclined to get a WiiU.

NX no longer seems remotely interesting.

Do it man, there may not be many more games coming but there's a hell of a great selection. I recently dove back into Mario Kart 8, Splatoon and Smash after clearing out my PS4 backlog, having a great time.

 

[Birathen]

Whatever brings Monster hunter back on my tv. Also, Nintendo focusing on one platform instead of two would be pretty cool to see.

 

[CrazyHorse]

It will have the library of 3DS and WiiU combined so I expect it will sell a little bit lower than those two combined, which is not bad at all.

People buy 3DS because it's cheaper than Vita.

NX will be too expensive to sell to the 3DS crowd.

 

[Pandy]

Interesting.
At first glance this seems to nullify some of the anti-hybrid arguments I was making in the investor thread earlier, but on closer inspection I'm not so sure. There are some key details missing, particularly from that diagram.

What size is it? It looks like a smaller WiiU gamepad, but still too big for a portable.
What resolution is the screen? Is it supposed to upscale games onto the TV or is it 1 to 1?
How do you use the touchscreen to play games when it's docked?
How do you hold those controllers when the thing is docked? Do they slot together? Do they count as 2 wireless devices?
How do you play 4 player split screen games? Is that thing going to handle 8 half wireless controllers?

Most importantly, being able to dock the handheld doesn't rule out a home console version also existing.
I previously speculated, incorrectly, that the handheld NX would launch in Japan before the end of the year because the n3DS is getting quite old on their market. Could it be that the handheld component is launching first, with a more powerful home console version following behind?

In short, I'm not quite buying the accuracy of this, but if this is the one and only NX I'm sure it will make a lot more sense in the context of the official announcement.

 

[Always-honest]

One thing that no one mentioned that's potentially HUGE.

VR DOCKS!

If the NX has a 1080p screen, dock is googles + input power.

If not, dock is PS VR like device.

COME ON people, be creative.

That's a possibility.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Xbox One hardware sales: ~20 million

PS4 hardware sales: ~40 million

Wii U + 3DS hardware sales: ~12 million + ~60 million = ~72 million

This actually makes a LOT of business sense.

This post makes no sense .
They are people who bought both Wii U and 3DS this won't be true with NX if they combine both .
This not taking account that hadhelds are dying compare to years ago .
This also not taking account how much time these system have been on the market .

 

[Bamboo 竹]

Happy that Nintendo didn't up doing a PS4/XBO console. If that would be the case I would prefer them going third party already than having the need to buy the same machine just to play exclusive software.

 

[dragonyeuw]

32gb seems kind of small, doesn't it( thinking of all the 40gb+ games on my ps4 HDD)? Would it be that much more costly to use 64gb if they're being bought in huge bulk lots?

 

[hemo memo]

Sorry but this is the NX Nintendo secret idea they won’t talk about so competitors don't copy! What is new here? Why would Sony or Microsoft copy this?

 

[TheMagician]

How will the NX handle memory storage? SD?

Memory storage on the dock?

Can transfer downloaded games from the dock to an SD card found on the portable.

 

[Mihos]

NX free form display controllers. Controllers attach and form one seamless display.

Probably less physical buttons on them and more haptic/virtual buttons though.

General idea though.

So which player gets the battery and which gets the GPU?

 

[Jonneh3003]

Whatever brings Monster hunter back on my tv. Also, Nintendo focusing on one platform instead of two would be pretty cool to see.

This really is the greatest benefit. We would see so many more Nintendo IPs when they don't have to spread their core franchises across 2 systems.

 

[exmachina64]

Why is everyone so obsessed about how much power this thing has? This is Nintendo were talking about here. They could still be making amazing games for the wii if they had to. They know what they're doing. This race to push more polygons is really taking its tole on AAA studios. These stupidly hi-res games are ludicrously expensive to make. You dont need 8K triple quad buffered 124X MSAA graphixx to make a good game. Yes games should look nice, but to a point. Its part handheld, 720P is more than enough. Nintendo has the right idea, gameplay first.

Nice straw man you set up there.

Besides the fact that the current graphics race isn't a race to push more polygons, people want a console capable of running multiplatform games because for many prospective customers, this would be their only console. While it's okay for me to spend over $3,000 to have a gaming PC and multiple consoles, kids and some adults are limited in what they purchase. People want to feel they've gotten a good value for their purchase and the availability of multiplatform games is one facet of that.

And while Nintendo could still be creating fun games on the Wii, few people want to play them at 480p anymore. The main driver of the increased cost to make games is the cost of labor and not technology in and of itself.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

I am just happy it is going to be a hybrid. Every generation it gets harder and harder for me to justify owning two Nintendo platforms so this a perfect solution!

I don't really mind the hamstrung computational power by virtue of it being mobile; I'm much more interested in the finer details of the idea. How would local multiplayer work? Are the two controller attachments as featured as a standard game controller? Are they powered by batteries in addition to the "screen" component? Will we be able to buy additional controllers? These are all important questions to me and in my opinion, the success of this platform depends on how intuitive it all works together.

 

[psyfi]

How will the NX handle memory storage? SD?

I can't imagine it'd be anything else, yeah.

People buy 3DS because it's cheaper than Vita.

u really are a crazy horse

 

[ultrazilla]

That would be so unplayable. I get it that the idea would be for it to work like an arcade cocktail cabinet but the difference is that you and your opponent don't hold the cocktail cabinet up in the air while the both of you play.

You're misunderstanding the mock up. It's a poor mock up, please forgive me but the two controllers combine to make one "home console" with the full screen in effect when the controllers are attached.

Then the docking station would be for the hdmi out/synching with controllers/tv.

You could also have new ways to play.

Let's say your friend brings his NX controller to your house. He could attach it to your controller to swap Pokemon. Or Animal Crossing type stuff with messages and fruits, stuff like that.

 

[Griss]

I don't know, I was kind of hoping Nintendo would move away from all this gimmick action with this one. Obviously I don't know how this is going to play out in reality but on paper, there's a whole lot of gimmicks here that I assume developers will be focusing on instead of tight games.

What if you ignore everything but the fact that this is the 3ds's successor. Sounds pretty incredible, doesn't it? I feel like people were expecting a new home console and are let down. As a handheld it sounds phenomenal and the TV features are a bonus.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

You could be right, or it could be something that is meant to give a spec boost. We can only speculate. If it's the former, than calling this thing a hybrid doesn't feel accurate to me.

But even if it gives the spec boost, it'll still be the chagrin station with HDMI out either way.

You call it a hybrid because of the fact that it can be exclusively used as a home console or as a portable. How that's done doesn't technically matter.

 

[Pie and Beans]

One thing that no one mentioned that's potentially HUGE.

VR DOCKS!

If the NX has a 1080p screen, dock is googles + input power.

If not, dock is PS VR like device.

COME ON people, be creative.

There is no VR for a device beneath a PS4. Be creative all you want, but try and understand technology and reality at the same time.

I very much doubt the device has a 1080p screen either, thats what the TV will offer.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Xbox One hardware sales: ~20 million

PS4 hardware sales: ~40 million

Wii U + 3DS hardware sales: ~12 million + ~60 million = ~72 million

This actually makes a LOT of business sense.

Not really. PS4 is going to blow that 72 million number out of the water by itself. Add in the Vita sales and the hardware sales are over 50 million already. I predict that the numbers for the NX will be SIGNIFICANTLY less than that combined Wii U+3DS total if this rumor is true.

Happy that Nintendo didn't up doing a PS4/XBO console. If that would be the case I would prefer them going third party already than having the need to buy the same machine just to play exclusive software.

So you would rather have another gimmick than traditional semi-decent hardware to play their games on? I thought Nintendo was supposed to be about games.

 

[140.85]

Once again, Nintendo seems to be trying to nudge players toward a new way of playing rather than meeting gamers where they are.

They seem very preoccupied with setting themselves apart from everyone but less mindful about whether it's what people actually want.

But to be honest I'm actually hoping the final reveal proves my skepticism wrong. We'll see.

 

[Jonneh3003]

32gb seems kind of small, doesn't it( thinking of all the 40gb+ games on my ps4 HDD)? Would it be that much more costly to use 64gb if they're being bought in huge bulk lots>

Am I correct to assume a lot of the large file sizes are uncompressed audio? Compare Wolfenstein and GTA5 to their last gen counter parts. Same games but one is so much larger than the other.

I'm sure they could be compressed without much loss, that or pull a Master Chief Collection and patch in the rest of the game.

 

[Nanashrew]

I love Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, etc. I've just gotten to a point in my life where I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a machine that I will only play 6-10 games on. That's not a ridiculous ask. I made the mistake for the last time with the Wii, skipped the Wii U, and hoped for an improvement here. It didn't come.

Instead, I can have an Xbox which is more powerful, get 99% of the multiplat titles, get 48 games a year with Xbox Live gold + all the games I want to buy. I truly miss the Nintendo only titles, but like I said, I'm not burning money on another gimmick that can't keep up and won't be supported by 3rd parties. Better off skipping them again, hoping for the hardware to fail, and crossing my fingers that they go 3rd party.

Well this is a hybrid, so you're getting every Nintendo game on one system. Nintendo releases roughly 25-30 games a year across two systems, but now it will be under one system. That's not counting all the handheld 3rd parties that will likely be onboard.

This is Nintendo becoming more of a software company.

 

[Maxinas]

Whatever brings Monster hunter back on my tv. Also, Nintendo focusing on one platform instead of two would be pretty cool to see.

Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem, Mainline Pokemon, oh the endless possibilities of seeing normally handheld only games on the TV is giving me an unwanted expansion down below.

 

[Leatherface]

NX free form display controllers. Controllers attach and form one seamless display.

Probably less physical buttons on them and more haptic/virtual buttons though.

General idea though.

So a line right down the middle of the display when connected? Eww. That wouldn't drive me nuts at ALL.

 

[oti]

I love Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, etc. I've just gotten to a point in my life where I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a machine that I will only play 6-10 games on. That's not a ridiculous ask. I made the mistake for the last time with the Wii, skipped the Wii U, and hoped for an improvement here. It didn't come.

Instead, I can have an Xbox which is more powerful, get 99% of the multiplat titles, get 48 games a year with Xbox Live gold + all the games I want to buy. I truly miss the Nintendo only titles, but like I said, I'm not burning money on another gimmick that can't keep up and won't be supported by 3rd parties. Better off skipping them again, hoping for the hardware to fail, and crossing my fingers that they go 3rd party.

I think this here is the crux. If it's an "instead" for you I understand. For others it's Nintendo + something else (most likely PS4 or PC).

 

[ZOONAMI]

Xbox One hardware sales: ~20 million

PS4 hardware sales: ~40 million

Wii U + 3DS hardware sales: ~12 million + ~60 million = ~72 million

This actually makes a LOT of business sense.

When you put it like that, yeah from Nintendo's perspective it makes some degree of business sense because the wii u failed so hard. But they should be thinking, why can't we sell at least 30 million plus home consoles AND 60 million plus handhelds. They havent forgotten that the wii before that sold like hotcakes in the home console space.

To just basically pull the plug on making a home console is turning their back on addiyional hardware, software, and licensing revenue. The success of the ps4 actually means this makes very little business sense imo.

 

[Morfeo]

Definitely day zero for Zelda, going to be glorious!

 

[Voysa Reezun]

I hope there's some sort of AR add-on eventually. I think playing something like Pikmin in AR would be fantastic.

 

[Sinfamy]

So it's going to be an under-powered and overheating tablet with removable controls.
Pretty disappointed.

 

[BocoDragon]

This post makes no sense .
They are people who bought both Wii U and 3DS this won't be true with NX if they combine both .
This not taking account that hadhelds are dying compare to years ago .
This also not taking account how much time these system have been on the market .

Disagree all you want: Nintendo unifying their player base around one machine will give them weight in the market.

 

[KingJ2002]

Creating two different SKU's one for a handheld and one for console with the same OS was my initial guess but this rumor reads more plausible and allows Nintendo to play to their strengths.

- The system design allows for Nintendo to effectively support Wii U / 3DS titles for their Virtual Console although their DS lineup would more than likely be emulated via split screen and the 3D effect thrown out.

- Switching back to cartridges is also in interesting choice. If they can keep cartridge costs low. Developers would benefit from the load options... but these days games discs are no more than glorified install discs so it's not as big of a deal as it was in the N64 days.

- The detachable controllers are also very interesting. Multiplayer on the go is one thing but my fear is that those detachable pieces are easy to break.

- If the device is small enough... it could be used for a VR experience similar to what mobile phones offer today. The current price point for VR is out of many people's budget... but if Nintendo can come in with a cost effective and pleasant VR experience... it could put out a lot of steam in Sony & MS plans.


- The biggest question mark is that base unit. I can imagine that it works as a charging station, has additional inputs for different peripherals, and could possibly serve as a additional storage unit... but I also want to guess that it also acts as a power booster for TV's.

Gaming at handheld resolutions on the go and then dock it to play the title in 1080p (or upscaled 4K) with the same smooth framerate and higher details... and for backwards compatibility for Wii U titles... it uses similar NFC technology to allow you to switch between TV gaming, Handheld or use both


If this all rings true... then I believe Nintendo has effectively positioned themselves as the "second console"... different enough that you can own a Xbox or Playstation w/ a NX and enhance your gaming experience.

My only concern... is the size of this handheld. A Wii U controller is definitely not the ideal size for mobile gaming... and it isn't sexy enough to convince today's mobile gamers who are used to Apple's design to put their phones down and pick this up.

Whenever Nintendo shows this... I hope it lives up to expectations.

 

[Zombie James]

I don't know, I was kind of hoping Nintendo would move away from all this gimmick action with this one. Obviously I don't know how this is going to play out in reality but on paper, there's a whole lot of gimmicks here that I assume developers will be focusing on instead of tight games.

A handheld with one screen, regular controls, and TV out sounds like the least-gimmicky thing Nintendo's done in 15 years.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

You could just get an SNES, a Super Gameboy, and Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow.

Those aren't new.

People buy 3DS because it's cheaper than Vita.

NX will be too expensive to sell to the 3DS crowd.

Pretty sure people buy a 3DS because it has the games they want to play...

 

[psyfi]

Once again, Nintendo seems to be trying to nudge players toward a new way of playing rather than meeting gamers where they are.

They seem very preoccupied with setting themselves apart from everyone but less mindful about whether it's what people actually want.

But to be honest I'm actually hoping the final reveal proves my skepticism wrong. We'll see.

Innovative ideas always run the risk of being ignored for being too weird. Nintendo's willingness to try new concepts despite "common sense" is unrivaled. I have faith in them, but I also agree that their success is not guaranteed.

 

[ultrazilla]

So a line right down the middle of the display when connected? Eww. That wouldn't drive me nuts at ALL.

Well there would be a line there(if Nintendo goes this route and I think they're going to) but the free form display would still operate as once screen and hopefully the seem wouldn't be too glaring.

 

[Griss]

Definitely day zero for Zelda, going to be glorious!

Psshhh... Zelda.

Day zero for Pikmin 4 and Smash NX. Smash 3ds was one of those rare titles that I skipped because I felt the hardware ruined it so I can't wait to have that game on the go.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

So it's going to be an under-powered and overheating tablet with removable controls.
Pretty disappointed.

Let's wait till the official reveal. It can be the best of both words. And nobody does handheld gaming like Nintendo. I think this way, they can hit both the Western console market, while appeasing Japanese on-the-go gaming sensibilities.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Disagree all you want: Nintendo unifying their player base around one machine will give them weight in the market.

That's a great point. As a life long Nintendo fan I only own a 3DS. I've played WiiU games through brothers but I can't justify purchasing another console. Having to purchase just 1 machine from Nintendo to play all their games is great.

 

[Plinko]

So it's going to be an under-powered and overheating tablet with removable controls.
Pretty disappointed.

This seems like a jump to conclusions.

 

[Kindekuma]

Can we just see some games on it first before we pass judgement? I just want to see the console fully revealed with some games running on it before I decide if I should get it or not. NX still has my interest as a concept but I need to see more.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Disagree all you want: Nintendo unifying their player base around one machine will give them weight in the market.

Weight in which market ?
It won't be the western market since they won't be getting any AAA games .
With a handheld that under power compare to consoles .

 

[BocoDragon]

When you put it like that, yeah from Nintendo's perspective it makes some degree of business sense because the wii u failed so hard. But they should be thinking, why can't we sell at least 30 million plus home consoles AND 60 million plus handhelds. They havent forgotten that the wii before that sold like hotcakes in the home console space.

To just basically pull the plug on making a home console is turning their back on addiyional hardware, software, and licensing revenue. The success of the ps4 actually means this makes very little business sense imo.

It's definitely a "retreat" from the possibility of owning two separate markets with two golden products.

But in a world where they can't just will a Wii-like success into the world, consolidating their player base around a single product makes them much stronger.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

You mean like the Wii? Oh wait...

Selling through over 100 million couldn't recruit even the most basic support from 3rd parties.

But Wii still had some great 3rd party games. That's beside the point though, cause this thing is supposed to also be a handheld. That's a totally different ball-game going by DS's and 3DS's record.

And...I don't wanna spam this drawing

Spoiler

well maybe a little

but I think you're way off-base here so:

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

They seem very preoccupied with setting themselves apart from everyone but less mindful about whether it's what people actually want.

They can't do what people want. Releasing a beefy console would be a waste of time and money in Japan, and the Japanese market is what has always mattered to Nintendo.

 

[Seik]

Yeah I'm honestly shocked more people aren't interpreting it as such.

Nintendo is basically declining to continue their home console business. It's almost as big as when Sega exited hardware.

Hybrid, guys.

 

[Kid Heart]

I hope the system is comfortable to hold while playing. I hate using the Wiiu's game pad as a controller, it just feels to heavy to me. As long as it doesn't look like that I'll be happy. Also, while I know it won't be a graphical powerhouse, I hope it is at least on part with current gen.

 

[L Thammy]

As long as it's a portable.

 

[Herb Alpert]

People buy 3DS because it's cheaper than Vita.

NX will be too expensive to sell to the 3DS crowd.

They buy 3ds because of Mario, tamagotchi, animal crossing, monster hunter, Pokemon, and so on.
I agree the price is important too though . Let's see if these games on mobile won't or will Hurt traditional market.