test_account
XP-39C²
Just out of curiousity, when you're logging into an account, then you're using your account, any reason why this wouldnt be concidered as activity?
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Sony has TOS clause which theoretically gives them rights to prune inactive accounts
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Demoskinos
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They've been working on it. Thing is It might just be an infrastructure issue that is really deeply embeded with how they originally built the back end for PSN. Im sure they could implement a system its just you know like would that system end up breaking stuff in horrible ways for people and then how do you make a system that doesn't end up breaking things.
Its not as simple of a solution as some people think it is. Yoshida has repeatedly said they are aware at the amount of people clamoring for name changes. So they know the demand is there.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
In the case of this topic, they could forcibly change names on inactive accounts to free up names for new users. That way there isn't a threat of digital libraries being removed when freeing up names.
The current wording has been around since at least prior to the PS4 launch. These scares make the rounds every so often, and its usually from sources pushing deliberate FUD.
Gravy Boat
Member
No, which is why this is such a non issue. If people are that worried they shoud take 3 minutes out of their day to log in via the webstore.
Silent Chief
Member
Servers go offline all the time. They're not preventing you from playing anything you have.
Isn't the PSP store offline?
I presume they'll send e-mail warnings to the accounts and a simple click is all that will be require to keep an account active.
John Caboose
Member
What the fuck. They should at least warn 6 months before it happens. Removing an account entirely just because of inactivity is dumb as fuck.
Well...
It's working!
The PSN "hack" narratives (AKA reckless people using the same login/password everywhere on the Internet) that some are pushing is becoming increasingly suspect too.
Well I imagine those who sold their PS3 and picked up a PS4 won't care much about losing all their digital PS3 content as they can't play it on their PS4 anyway
I'm hoping all PS4 games onward will work on NEO and PS5 and NEO 2 etc but there is no guarantee of that
If they want to delete any accounts that have stuff tied to them, they should wait a lot more than 2 years, though I still suspect this is either scaremongering or only applicable to accounts with no games/trophies tied to them
Nostremitus
Member
Well shit... I left my PS3 in the U.S. in November of 2014...
I'm not getting a PS4 until Neo comes out... I guess I'm screwed.
I'm not getting a PS4 until Neo comes out... I guess I'm screwed.
Pankratous
Member
Login on the website.
Sad Affleck
Member
This seems extremely anti-consumer. Can they really take away the games you bought if you don't use the account for a while? Do other services have such terms?
31GhostsIV
Banned
If this is a new TOS, surely they won't be able to retroactively disable accounts - it would have to be two years since the TOS change.
Also, if you haven't signed into your account in two years you likely haven't agreed to this term.
Also, if you haven't signed into your account in two years you likely haven't agreed to this term.
test_account
XP-39C²
You're not. As someone mentioned earlier, this mention in the TOS has been there at least since 2009. I think we would have heard about many cases of people getting their account deleted if this was an automatic process.
It's not FUD when it's literally what the terms of service say they may do. If Sony don't want uncertainty they can put in a clause stating they will not delete accounts with wallet money or purchases but until they do, it is what it is--full of uncertainty and doubt.
Now, I agree it's unlikely they'll actually do what we are worrying about but the fact is they are explicitly giving themselves the freedom to do it. (Whether it is legal or not is unclear).
It's likely only to be a poor choice of expression to conflate two separate cases. If someone asks to close their account, the obvious response is to make sure the person understands they lose their purchases etc. In the other case, Sony might find it necessary to remove accounts for unusual reasons or perhaps they want to prune old ones with no purchases or trophies. To be succinct they may have put both cases into one clause.
Yet this is only speculation. The fact remains they insist they have the right to remove your account with purchases after two years inactivity. It's up to Sony to clarify it further. Till then it's foolish to deny the possibility.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I just checked my 1st PSN Account that I haven't touched in over 4 years and outside of being asked to change my password and verify my email address the account is still there and fully functional so I guess this isn't an automatic process or it doesn't apply to US region accounts.
{insert code here}
Member
I have an account with a couple hundred dollars worth of purchases on it that I had not touched for nearly 4 years (had a stupid name attached) and can confirm that not only is it not nuked, I was still able to download the games that were tied to it. This was NA though so maybe the rules are different here.
... because you hadn't agreed to these terms 4 years ago?
This looks like it will only start happening going forward.
DealWithIt
Member
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Actually like people pointed out before mt post this isn't a new rule and it's not even a rule present in the US TOS so weather I gree to these terms or not this rule doesn't affect US players.
If we have received zero news of Sony closing users' accounts in the last seven years, what makes you think they are going to start doing so now?
Oh, well, OP should get some flack for making it seem so.
well, I would log into that specific account and browse the store. even "bought" some free avatars for extracurricular activities.
RichiRamjag
Member
They're most likely not going to delete accounts, just logged into my old PS3 account from before I switched to ps4 at launch and everything is fine.
stan423321
Member
The most probable hypothesis given how long did it take them so far is that the name is basically the unique thumbprint of your account from perspective of existing software. So, for instance: if there's an MMO that interfaces with Sony systems to maintain subs or sth, it receives all the information in format of "user Johnny420@PSN bought a subscription" instead of "user XBL#123456789 bought a subscription, and by the way his name is JackTheRipper". Introducing name changes to such a system (without specifying a user rename event for every game and game server implementing PSN interfacing first, but that clearly isn't the case) could cue everything from ban evasion through progress and subscription loss to system crashes.
And people act like I'm being overly paranoid about why I strongly prefer physical. This is a good example. With how most digital is done these days (requiring an account you have to log in to use your stuff), you are at the mercy of some company on if you get to keep your stuff. Personally I think it should be illegal that they can ban you from items you already paid for but it's not with digital.
Imagine the outrage if they came and took any games you hadn't touched in two years. Why is it ok if it is digital?
(This is also why GoG>Steam. Though at least Steam isn't as horrible as Sony. Sony keeps doing things that prove to me I shouldn't buy digital at least with them).
Imagine the outrage if they came and took any games you hadn't touched in two years. Why is it ok if it is digital?
(This is also why GoG>Steam. Though at least Steam isn't as horrible as Sony. Sony keeps doing things that prove to me I shouldn't buy digital at least with them).
chancellor
Member
If your not using it for more than two years I do not really see how someone could be upset about losing something they are not using.
It does not seem to be something they actively use anyway, I checked an old account with 10 trophies and it is fine, hopefully Sony would use a bit of common sense in any case. Deleting accounts with hundreds of purchases/trophies would just be a way to piss off customers who have previously spent a lot of money and could do so again in future.
It does not seem to be something they actively use anyway, I checked an old account with 10 trophies and it is fine, hopefully Sony would use a bit of common sense in any case. Deleting accounts with hundreds of purchases/trophies would just be a way to piss off customers who have previously spent a lot of money and could do so again in future.
test_account
XP-39C²
Understood, i thought maybe you ment that it was enough to simply browse the store hence the comment about "otherwise i need to login to a bunch of accounts"well, I would log into that specific account and browse the store. even "bought" some free avatars for extracurricular activities.
But in retrospect, i guess maybe you ment that you needed to login somewhere else for it to count. But as long as you login to a PSN account, regardless of where you do it, that should count as activity.LordBaztion
Member
Will I be fine if I watch YouTube/Netflix?
AusRoachman
Member
#only4theactiveplayers
Stupid rule that seems to have been around for a long time and never used.
Active would mean literally ever logging into your account, so yes. You had to log in to use apps.
Active would mean literally ever logging into your account, so yes. You had to log in to use apps.
Cornbread78
Member
uggh, you can have all my old PSN account I created a long time ago to mess around with my Clan mates, or mess with folks that thought they were going to do naughty things to the "NOOB" back in the day playing Resistance.
Go ahead, take them back Sony, I don't need them now that you charge for online play....
- FoolSlayer,
- KillaCorndog
- aDiabolicalKilla
I'll just keep using my Cornbread account, thank you!
Go ahead, take them back Sony, I don't need them now that you charge for online play....
- FoolSlayer,
- KillaCorndog
- aDiabolicalKilla
I'll just keep using my Cornbread account, thank you!
Toadthemushroom
Member
That's nasty. I'm not even seeing the case for it.
Mobile phone operators can take your Pay and Go number if it's been inactive for about half a year (you have to make a call every 6 months to retain your number on some networks for example). But that's because numbers are precious and need to be used efficiently. Mobile numbers on Pay and Go networks also don't have a bunch of store purchases, licenses and game data and save files attached to them.
When Microsoft updated their Xbox terms they were pretty upfront about it:
Summary of Changes to Microsoft Services Agreement
If you don't use Xbox services for 5 years, you might lose your gamertag. That makes sense to ensure efficient and fair allocation of usernames in the long run. I'm not really seeing a case for PlayStation shutting my whole account, resulting in me losing all my purchased games dating back ~10 years, my cloud saves, my trophies, and so on, if I haven't used their services in just two years. There's also no exact definition of what would count as an activity.
Mobile phone operators can take your Pay and Go number if it's been inactive for about half a year (you have to make a call every 6 months to retain your number on some networks for example). But that's because numbers are precious and need to be used efficiently. Mobile numbers on Pay and Go networks also don't have a bunch of store purchases, licenses and game data and save files attached to them.
When Microsoft updated their Xbox terms they were pretty upfront about it:
Summary of Changes to Microsoft Services Agreement
If you don't use Xbox services for 5 years, you might lose your gamertag. That makes sense to ensure efficient and fair allocation of usernames in the long run. I'm not really seeing a case for PlayStation shutting my whole account, resulting in me losing all my purchased games dating back ~10 years, my cloud saves, my trophies, and so on, if I haven't used their services in just two years. There's also no exact definition of what would count as an activity.
If you had money in a bank account that you didn't access for two years would you happily let the bank take it?
BRocknRolla
Member
Out of curiosity, is this different than what MS recently did when they released a bunch of Xbox Live user names? Didn't they have to take those from old accounts that had been inactive for some long period of time? Were people who had at one time made purchases with those accounts exempt?
Edit: Looks like it just takes the name but the account remains.
Edit: Looks like it just takes the name but the account remains.
Nastrodamous
Member
its just flagged for a rename you keep all your stuff.
BRocknRolla
Member
That's the info I was looking for. Thank you!
witchedwiz
Member
I wonder..
Tos and eula in europe when concerning digital license have a DIFFERENT behaviour
Iirc if you buy a digital game tos/eula terms va not prevent you from accessing/using it lest you get a reimbursement from the forcibly unusable digital object/license....
Tos and eula in europe when concerning digital license have a DIFFERENT behaviour
Iirc if you buy a digital game tos/eula terms va not prevent you from accessing/using it lest you get a reimbursement from the forcibly unusable digital object/license....
Gravy Boat
Member
You are being paranoid. Nowhere does it say they're going to ban people from purchases they've already made, and there isn't a single example of this happening even though this has been in the ToS for the best part of a decade.
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