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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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One person from reddit says it isnt, one person from gaf says someone messaged him about seeing him.
GankzyMcfly
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Nobodies knows if there is or is not MP...thats why it was suggested that he should have been clearer (assuming its not in) if it is in he should just say Yes there is multiplayer...not... yes and no, well kind of but not really, the universe is soo big etc.
Who was the gaf one? It would be cool to see some screenshots to let people know that this is still not a done deal
toddhunter
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It was a key feature to me? Without it, I believe I will get bored very quickly of the base game without the rough chance of seeing someone else.
Luckily I'm not an idiot, so I'm waiting to find out for sure if the game is for me before buying it. Either way, we'll see what their plans are.
nikos
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It's too early to conclude anything. There are so many factors that come into play including instances, launch day issues, whether both people had PS+, etc.
Didn't Sean say the only way to see the character model is to see another player?
Would be cool if the center of the universe has multiplayer enabled and we all get to see each other there.
Didn't Sean say the only way to see the character model is to see another player?
Would be cool if the center of the universe has multiplayer enabled and we all get to see each other there.
breakfuss
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Receipts pls
depths20XX
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It wasn't one person from reddit. It was two people that tried for at least 6 hours on the same planet to meet up. Streamed live on Twitch. Reconnecting many times and trying different things to see each other. It's also been covered by many online game sites. That's not comparable to some guy on gaf who sent a message.
The store itself clearly states that this game is 1 player only.
Any games with online functionality are clearly stated as such, firstly with the online symbol (next to pegi sign), and then below the text with Network connectivity and the number of players.
I see that on box, I guess the question I would have is what constitutes as MP? Does seeing another player with no direct interaction still fall under MP?
demigod
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I don't keep up with nms nor did i had any interest in it yet i still knew what sean said. He explicitly said nms is so big that its rare you'll run into another player, but the chance is there. Now he's caught in a lie, lets see how he responds. Can't believe people fell(and still are) for his bs.
breakfuss
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Soooo...is there no screen cap of them actually seeing each other.
Well going by games where there is no direct interaction but online scoreboards network connectivity is mentioned.
On games like Wolfenstein it shows the same as it does with No Man's Sky. Simply 1 player.
I can't see it being down to an error on the store listing (although I appreciate that isn't impossible).
Not as of yet, I dunno if the guy just saw him with a fleeting glance or what.
Of course it could be that he saw things that were discovered by him, and sent a message based on that?
Bumblebeetuna
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Yeah, but that's just another vague answer, preceded by two other vague answers. Never does he say you cannot see other players. In fact two questions before that, he reinforces the idea that, though rare, players on the same spot of the same planet at the same time should be able to "get a sense of that". Now what could that mean? Who the hell knows, he's so vague. But based on other interviews where he talks about seeing other players and running into other players, the logical assumption is you'll see other players.
Not a big deal to me if it's not there, but it's easy to understand why people were expecting it.
Moon_frogger
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Right, except for the time being, so far as we are aware, you cannot encounter other players and the game is completely single player. Which is utterly contrary to every single quote from the developer up to and including literally HOURS BEFORE RELEASE. Hence the reason for this thread existing. 'Is it multiplayer or isnt it' should not be a subject of debate about a game hours before it's release and then days after. That is just pathetic on the part of the devs. A game like this just screams EXPLORE WITH MY FRIENDS' and the fact that the messaging has been so unclear up to and even after the release of the game is just incredibly dumb. They would have know for months if not years that multiplayer was not within the scope of the project. The message, until mere hours ago has been 'yes, but not likely to be commonplace' and even after he tried to 'clear things up' he was still incredibly ambiguous. 'Chances are near zero' indeed lol.
Yeah I was surfing through my games and noticed the same. The box does say Online Play so that leaves some generous wiggle room.
No Wolfenstein is not the same, no mention of Online Play, as expected since it has none.
Yeah to be fair this whole issue is because of Sean's responses.
When asked if someone could encounter another player he shouldn't have replied with:
To the majority of people that implies that people won't meet due to the sheer size of the universe as opposed to because the functionality is not there.
That was a perfect opportunity to simply say it wasn't something they had implemented at this point in time.
Now not only will he have to come out with a clear answer as to whether that is a feature of the game, but there will be questions asked as to how large the universe really is.....
ALSO take a look at the date of the tweet? Surely he knew if online multiplayer in that regard was implemented?!
This. They've been extremely vague about so many things since day one. There have been so many opportunities for them to give concrete answers to the questions that people ask them but instead they manage to either avoid the question with some philosphical "it is confirm but not confirm" bullshit, give a response that equates to nothing or say something completely contradictory.
There's so much confusion around aspects of this game because they don't know how to communicate or answer questions. It's like they don't even know how their game works.
STILL though, as so many people have already proven, at some point or another they did suggest that you could interact with or see other players to some degree in the super small chance that you do cross paths. However lately they have been pushing the "it's a single player game" idea (and they still manage to be super vague about it because why not).
My expectations were already low, but this is really stupid.
so they met up but weren't able to take a pic of the other's guys character? sure
That photo in the OP is a pretty clear indication that they weren't there at the same time.
Considering it seems AI behavior change depending on time of day, I wouldn't expect 2 players at the same spot on different time of day to be able to interact even though they're actually at the same spot.
I'll add that the fact that you can name stuffs and see the rename stuffs on other people's game count as online interaction too.
Considering it seems AI behavior change depending on time of day, I wouldn't expect 2 players at the same spot on different time of day to be able to interact even though they're actually at the same spot.
I'll add that the fact that you can name stuffs and see the rename stuffs on other people's game count as online interaction too.
But....In patch 1.03 they show INCREASING THE CHANCE OF COLLISION
Taken from here http://www.no-mans-sky.com/2016/08/update-1-03/ and obviously if you go to update history on the ps4 itself.
I'm confused.....Why would they add that in a patch if it wasn't a feature. Maybe those saying it's because the servers are down are accurate, and maybe when I wake up tomorrow a lot of people are going to be eating some humble pie.
Zomba13
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Journey is also "1 Player"...
Inviusx
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Yeah it does. Journey is rated as MP.
Look above your post
Patch notes clearly show that you can "collide" with someone.
So looks like the internet has jumped the gun...again
EatinOlives
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But....In patch 1.03 they show INCREASING THE CHANCE OF COLLISION
Taken from here http://www.no-mans-sky.com/2016/08/update-1-03/ and obviously if you go to update history on the ps4 itself.
I'm confused.....Why would they add that in a patch if it wasn't a feature. Maybe those saying it's because the servers are down are accurate, and maybe when I wake up tomorrow a lot of people are going to be eating some humble pie.
"Collision" is vague. Maybe all it means is finding traces/discoveries from other players.
Yes, even patch notes are vague with coy language.
Art Vandilay
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So... Are you saying that time of day is different for each player?
GankzyMcfly
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This is one screen shot. The guys have been trying on twitch for several hours and have tried reconnecting to the server plus check other locations with no luck (allegedly).
Yeah you're right.
I think the fact that after thousands of posts people are still confused shows that Sean needs to come out with a clear cut answer. Yes or No.
Not a politicians answer.
I don't know, I'm saying that it should be expected that you can't interact with players you aren't in sync with.
How the hell do you think the experience will be when 1 player try to kill an creature the other player doesn't even see?
Again I'm only commenting on the screenshot I have.
If this is what they saw they shouldn't have expected to interact as clearly they weren't in sync
In Journey you interact/assist others. That's not what I was saying.
Seems the same as the two twitch people.
Shared the same discoveries. However I don't believe their exchange stated anything about seeing each other, just the other person saying if they're on x planet. I don't see the wording that directly states that they ß each other or I'm just really did from the drama and should rest
I think it's cool that people like the game but the personal attacks because there is something perhaps negative to say about a game is telling you more about the people that defend than anything.
GankzyMcfly
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Like i said in a previous post. That is just one screenshot. The twitch streamers have allegedly been trying to sync up for several hours trying various methods like reconnecting...(all from what ive read in this thread).
Edit: sorry jumped the gun a missed your response. My apologies.
Inviusx
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I can't think of any other games where you can only see another player and never interact with them, even in the most basic sense.
Journey is the closest game that comes to mind.
you missed my edit but I'll reiterate.
They were unsuccessful in trying to sync that is the only thing we know.
As far as I can tell it may be coming or not.
I have no strong feeling 1 way or another.
JayBabay
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Look above your post
Patch notes clearly show that you can "collide" with someone.
So looks like the internet has jumped the gun...again
To be fair, considering the vague language they've been using theoughout, this can be interpreted as you coming into contact with traces of other players via named planets and the like. Honesty I wouldn't have thought this way with any other game but there really has been some crazy focus on wording today with these guys hahaha
Art Vandilay
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How "in sync" should players be in order to interact? Down to the second? Or are sessions instanced a la Destiny, more or less. The point is there's too much uncertainty, and it doesn't seem easy to play with your friends, at least not yet. Sean was very deceptive in my opinion and there will be/is a lot of backsplash which is well deserved.
Edit: There could always be server issues or bugs, something at play that's preventing this feature from functioning correctly. Don't get me wrong, I find it impressive such a small team created such a game. But there's no excuse for false advertising, assuming that's the case.
GankzyMcfly
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Im in the same boat as well just wished the devs could be clearer and yea i edited my other post after i noticed your response again my bad.
Maybe this will be the first. Actually Souls fits this mold if you remove invasions/summoning.
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