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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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Thanks for the shit post drive by


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It's not a drive-by, I've been in this dump more often than I'd like.

I had an elaborate post a couple of pages back about why the sticker thing doesn't mean anything (I worked at the PEGI age rating thing) but nobody gave a shit because it didn't fit their confirmation bias that Sean = liar and this is another big conspiracy.

So yeah. Snark it is.
 

Kadin

Member
Didn't someone say they were never online at the exact same time. If so, how the hell are they supposed to see each other if one is not connected?
They were both just recently online at the same time on a planet called Vort; they're now trying another planet.
 
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Gah, this Sean Murray guy seems like a terrible person!!!!

!!!

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hughesta

Banned
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Hahaha nice
 
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

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EDIT: Crap, I feel like there is some inside joke I am not in the know about... :(
 

DigtialT

Member
I mean if that one poster is to believed then there is no location data transmitted between the servers and the game. That means there is absolutely no multiplayer whatsoever. So now we just need Sean to explain himself, because if he doesn't then the story will snowball pretty fast.
 

Vex_

Banned
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

I. FUCKING. LOVE. THIS. PASTA

WELL DONE, SER. Superb delivery as always, my good man.
 
It seems people have a different interpretation of what meet means from what I know.

And that's really the problem at this point.

I once met Steve Carell and Tina Fey.

And by that I mean that I was in New York on Vacation and I saw them across a street filming a scene for a movie they were making.

And that actually rises ABOVE what this streamer apparently thinks "meeting" is. At least I actually saw them.
 
Uhhm, I don't think that's what "meeting" means. Or am I missing something?

They went to the same planet at the same spot, but couldn't see each other in-game.

They streamed together from the same spot, even though they couldn't see their characters together in-game.

So, technically they met, albeit while their characters were invisible to each other.

They positioned themselves so that if they COULD see each other's characters, they would have been right in front of each other. But the game wasn't allowing them to see each other visually for some reason (bugs, server overload, code never existed, who knows???).

They communicated to each other on the streams while they were there, though. So, they did meet. Sort of.

Just not how the playerbase expected it to happen.
 
Some people need to really calm down. On the cover of the box, it is advertised as a single player.
Another "read the box but ignore everything else that was advertised about the game" poster.

Tell me, do you go to a store, pick up a game you've never heard of ever, and buy it based on what you read on the box? Seriously? It's 2016, don't give me that read the box bullshit. Maybe the developers should have read their own box and stop telling people they "could" meet each other.
 

N° 2048

Member
My theory:

Each player has their instance (lobby) which holds 6 people.
People are either the host, or they get put in someone's instance (lobby).

The odds of two people who know each other being in the same instance is so tiny that it's probably never going to happen.

So when you start the game you start as a host or get randomly thrown into someone else's instance but you probably don't know them because of how many people are playing the game.

It's not one big lobby for everyone.
 

Kadin

Member
I mean if that one poster is to believed then there is no location data transmitted between the servers and the game. That means there is absolutely no multiplayer whatsoever. So now we just need Sean to explain himself, because if he doesn't then the story will snowball pretty fast.
Yeah in the stream going on right now with the two guys, one renamed the planet and the other didn't see it until he restarted. So it doesn't seem that the data changes dynamically.
 

Pop

Member
It's not a drive-by, I've been in this dump more often than I'd like.

I had an elaborate post a couple of pages back about why the sticker thing doesn't mean anything (I worked at the PEGI age rating thing) but nobody gave a shit because it didn't fit their confirmation bias that Sean = liar and this is another big conspiracy.

So yeah. Snark it is.

They ignoring Bro

Doesn't fit their agenda. Stickers are srs business
 

Sounder2

Member
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

I always like this copypasta
 

ItIsOkBro

Member
They went to the same planet at the same spot, but couldn't see each other in-game.

They streamed together from the same spot, even though they couldn't see their characters together in-game.

So, technically they met, albeit while their characters were invisible to each other.

They positioned themselves so that if they COULD see each other's characters, they would have been right in front of each other. But the game wasn't allowing them to see each other visually for some reason (bugs, server overload, code never existed, who knows???).

They communicated to each other on the streams while they were there, though. So, they did meet. Sort of.

Just not how the playerbase expected it to happen.
But could they affect each other's environments??
 

breakfuss

Member
Each player has their instance (lobby) which holds 6 people.
People are either the host, or they get put in someone's instance (lobby).

The odds of two people who know each other being in the same instance is so tiny that it's probably never going to happen.

So when you start the game you start as a host or get randomly thrown into someone else's instance but you probably don't know them because of how many people are playing the game.

That's my theory.

I don't think it's one server for everyone.

You wrote all that only to say it's your "theory" at the very end. Sigh.
 

c0de

Member
I saw Sean Murray at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about No Man's Sky or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

What¿
 

Raticus79

Seek victory, not fairness
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This looks more like a "no" than a "yes". Rewatched this part of the video a few times - it's weird to see in action!
 
Let's say they were somehow able to store planetary metadata in 1 byte. This is obviously impossible but it makes the math easy. So they need to store 18 quintillion bytes of data server-side. 1 quintillion bytes is 1 exabyte which is 1 million terabytes. So they would need, minimum, 18 million terabytes of storage to support 18 quintillion planets.

If I've screwed up the math here let me know but I think it's clear the game cannot support 18 quintillion planets. Perhaps it's possible in their software but they don't have the hardware to do it.

You might be confused on how the game works. They aren't storing all that data, it's generated on the fly.

This aspect is something I've always found a little amusing because everyone has been all mindblown, "whoa, 18 quintillion planets, that's nuts," without realizing that Minecraft has always had 18 quintillion planets. And you know that game isn't 18 million terabytes.

18 quintillion is just the maximum magnitude of an unsigned 64 bit integer. It's sort of like a key that unlocks that planet, and you don't have to have it stored anywhere - you feed it into a function and the planet gets spit out. Again, on the fly.

Now, what they could run into with storage issues is player data, all those animal names and planet names. But that all hinges on how much data players generate. I question whether they'll even be able to fill one terabyte of text. The database just has to store something like, "planet EC59FF2A - named 'Ducktits,' species 1 named 'Raptorsmell,'" etc. etc.
 
Each player has their instance (lobby) which holds 6 people.
People are either the host, or they get put in someone's instance (lobby).

The odds of two people who know each other being in the same instance is so tiny that it's probably never going to happen.

So when you start the game you start as a host or get randomly thrown into someone else's instance but you probably don't know them because of how many people are playing the game.

That's my theory.

I don't think it's one server for everyone.

That's how Elite Dangerous works IIRC.
Edit: nvm I think I misread your post.
But idk what they have in mind for this game, Seem to recall them mentioning Journey at one point.
 

redfox088

Banned
No. NMS has online multiplayer like how Final Fantasy on NES has online multiplayer simply because people can visit the same places.

Hey guys, anyone up for some Witcher 3 mutliplayer? Let's meet up in White Orchard.
Meet you by hanged-man tree
 

Bedlam

Member
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This looks more like a "no" than a "yes". Rewatched this part of the video a few times - it's weird to see in action!
As I said earlier: he looks very reluctant and uncomfortable when giving answers about the MP. Same with how he delivered the "little bit" line afterwards about the griefing. Almost as if he knows he is bullshitting.
 

RedRum

Banned
I wonder if it is a technical that can be ironed out in time.

Also, you guys should read this thread while listening to Battle of Endor 3 music. Really gets the blood flowing reading these posts. :)
 
They went to the same planet at the same spot, but couldn't see each other in-game.

They streamed together from the same spot, even though they couldn't see their characters together in-game.

So, technically they met, albeit while their characters were invisible to each other.

They positioned themselves so that if they COULD see each other's characters, they would have been right in front of each other. But the game wasn't allowing them to see each other visually for some reason (bugs, server overload, code never existed, who knows???).

They communicated to each other on the streams while they were there, though. So, they did meet. Sort of.

Just not how the playerbase expected it to happen.

If they didn't see eachother...
If they could effect eachother...

How exactly did they meet? Unless you're saying they met in a chat client outside of the game, which I guess sure, that's true. But what proof is there that they met in the game? Two people going to the same place at the same time does not equal "meeting."

If it's a bug, then that's totally fine, but there doesn't appear to be any proof of that either.
 
The plot thickens. I've just been into Game and this is what the back of the box is like:
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Nothing seems out of place right?
Now compare it with the back of a MMO box also for the PS4:
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Note the network labels on the right and left hand side of both boxes.
 

Kadin

Member
You do realize being online on TWITCH is not the same as being connected to the No Mans Sky servers right? That was what I was questioning. Not watching streams, at work.
They both checked in-game to see if they were online at the same time. They were.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Some people need to really calm down. On the cover of the box, it is advertised as a single player.

So, then why hasn't Sean and HG simply said this from the beginning?

We now have multiple streams showing that it is impossible to see other players in game, and we have packet monitors that prove position data is not transmitted in game, so we now know definitively that NMS is a single player game with an online universe of names for objects.

So why the obscurity about that all of these years? Why not just say that from the start so that expectations were in line all the way? Why be so coy and unspecific about whether or not we can meet people in game, or play with friends? I don't get the need to be secretive about a key feature of the game, that only serves to deceive and upset people in the end and it certainly hasn't added any value to the release impressions or buzz.

Very poor marketing decisions from Sean and gang on this topic. Very poor.
 
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