SJRB
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You have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't really know what the fuck they're talking about. Armchair movie analysts and financial experts are always kinda funny.
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Suicide Squad's box office business plunges just like Batman v Superman's did
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You have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't really know what the fuck they're talking about. Armchair movie analysts and financial experts are always kinda funny.
Oh really let me just use the search button on the site
Only thing you get about the box office is
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1039924&highlight=age+of+ultron
then it falls off the forum until
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1046845&highlight=age+of+ultron
Nothing about its second week drop, because no one cared
In a lot of ways Marvel made their own reach. The rights to their most known IP's were with other studios (Spidey, Fantastic Four, X-men etc) so they made do with that they did have. They turned Iron Man from C-list hero (in the eyes of the public) into a beloved icon and billion dollar generating movie franchise. Plus obviously look at Cap, Ant-man and GOTG. So in theory DC should be able to do the same thing since they have iconic heroes both known and unknown.
Bruce Springsteen
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How much do you want it?
CaviarMeths
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It opened $40m higher than Guardians and will close as much as $40m below it.
So not that normal, though to be fair, Guardians had fantastic legs.
Marvel didn't have Spider-Man and the X-Men, their two biggest superhero IPs for their universe. I imagine Captain America and the Hulk were the two best known of Marvels main characters for their movies and they've been able to build up a cinematic universe around a bunch of characters that were pretty much unknowns to the mainstream public (or at best some of the generic public may of had vague recollections of). Iron Man is probably nearly as well known as Superman, Batman or Spider-Man at this point and that certainly wasn't the case before the Marvel EU launched.
Yeah. It's worse but it's not ridiculously so. Suicide Squad is still a financial winner. Maybe it's not a home run but it's at least like hitting a double.
in theory.
I don't get where that other guy is coming from then lol.
Public eyes, sans some nerds, weren't even on Iron Man.
Context.
Ultron wasn't supposed to start/save the MCU. There was no competing DC movie to compare it to. It dropping so hard was no reason for concern, because Whedon had already declared it to be his last and the Russo's knocked it out the park with Winter Soldier.
SS was supposed to salvage what's left of the DCU and failed. Bad word of mouth from both BvS and SS are going to hurt WW, where bad WOM on Ultron did absolutely nothing on the follow-up projects.
Cosmonaut X
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IIRC, the figures being touted for breakeven on SS were in the $700 million range, weren't they? It still has quite the hill to climb, more so if there's a major dropoff in its second week globally, as well as in the US.
There is no denying every DCEU film thus far has made a good to suffiecient amount of money. But people shouldn't disregard drops just because the money "already has been made". Big drops can indicate that the word of mouth is far from good. And the critical reception of DCEU films thus far has been terrible, as well as the reception of many yt/social media entertainers. With this kind of reception and these audience/box-office statistics, one would expect a decline in box-office performance over the duration of the franchise, instead of growth. The Nolan trilogy, for example, grew in terms of box-office potential, as did most of the MCU films in comparison to their predecessors. If WB continues this trend with WW, JL, and beyond, they will devalue their brand.
Primethius
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Obviously the movie is a success given its opening weekend but it's gotta be a bit disappointing for WB to not be able to capitalise on that opening with some decent legs.
Movie could've been huge if it was good.
Movie could've been huge if it was good.
Not sure about other countries, but at least in Germany the movie hasn't even aired yet. It only starts airing on the 18th.
They need to give their Marketing Team a raise, wouldn't have done nearly as well without the good trailers.
Banderdash
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...the fuck is 'Shoulder Season'?
Cosmonaut X
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Sölf;213585741 said:
I think it's got a handful of European and other territories to open in, and it's not opening in China at all, but unless I've missed something it should now be out in most major territories.
I've got a feeling it's going to perform much as BvS globally, squeaking to (or just below) the "not made a huge loss" point (I think BvS was something like $800-900 million, wasn't it?) but not raking in profits for WB. That's problematic, but coupled with the negative critical (and apparently the negative public) response you have a stew that could make future entries in the DC film universe a tougher sell.
So no one cared back then, what's your point?
PHOENIXZERO
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Can't wait to see the hash tag and fanboys attacking people on Twitter again like after BvS.
Sounds like a lot of things on the internet. When you surround yourself only with people who also think like you, things can seem different from reality.
Yup and Civil War dropped like 74%
Yea it will be a financial success for WB and is far better than BvS but it is disappointing that it could have been sooo much better..
Boombloxer
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It also opened higher and will finish higher. Same with Guardians. They are also better films with higher critic reviews, and continued to build a strong universe where people are looking forward to more films.
People throwing out this point should keep that in mind. The films open big, have no legs and are actively turning people off to future films in the same universe. And they will be compared to Marvel, which is seem as the gold standard for comic movies.
It does no good to ignore this. You can easily argue that the only hero that DC gets right on the big screen is Batman.
TheDinoman
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What a tire fire of a cinematic universe.
I mean, it was already kind of screwed when the very first movie in this universe was fucking Man of Steel.
I mean, it was already kind of screwed when the very first movie in this universe was fucking Man of Steel.
BronsonLee
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*runs around in circles*
Caddyshack
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WB really screwed up bad with this movie. Much moreso than with BvS because SS actually had the parts of a good movie in there, but it was so shoddily put together it ruined it.
DC movies are probably screwed now and the fault for that is completely on WB management.
DC movies are probably screwed now and the fault for that is completely on WB management.
MOS made 600 plus worldwide. BvS made 800 million plus worldwide. SS made 300 million worldwide in a week. Most studios would love to fail that much.
Manmademan
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Honestly I expect Lego batman to do quite well
YesNOnoNOYes
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lego batman isn't actually part of the DCCU though, right?
i mean, if it is a legit part of the DCCU, the other movies in that universe have to acknowledge / refer to it
but i think it will do AWESOMELY
only that it's not actually part of the DCCU :x
Kill Your Masters
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You can build this reach though.
Nobody would have expected Iron Man or Captain America to be the huge movie draws they became now.
Boombloxer
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😂
They barely broke even for BvS and MoS.
Superman is a slightly bigger draw than Thor, and Iron Man alone outgrossed a movie with both in it.
Each studio has tentpole films which basically.cover the slate--They will all have misfires, but for long-term projects like this, you are building towards an Avengers type of box office payoff, where that rising tide lifts all solo movie boats. So no, there is no most studio would love to fail like that--too many of these gets you fired or direction change, like with Spidey.
Especially when Deadpool comes within less than 100m of the total gross of your two biggest stars.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
It won't be rated rotten on RT so of course it's not part of the DCEU.
DecoReturns
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Movie was bad and unfortunately forgettable so I'm not surprise.
YesNOnoNOYes
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would be awesome if it was part of the DCEU though, ...
.... but would also be tone-destructive to the rest of its line up
.... and narrative-destructive, too (lol)
but i love the trailer like omg *____* so funny \o/
As already pointed out, Lego Batman isn't a part of the DCCU.
But yes, that's the only movie in that list I would actually expect to be any good. It's been looking fantastic in the trailers so far.
They have amazing material to work from, why don't they use it?
Well, I heard that Kendra was a barista only a few weeks ago.
BronsonLee
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I'm gonna punch ya
clay_ghost
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I am sure if it does very well, i think the upper management at WB and DC will say that its always intended to be part of DCCU, Multiverse baby!
Haha
CassidyIzABeast
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Movie is about to make 300M domestic and ya'll in here talmbout
Manmademan
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doesn't matter. DC will take any film property that expands the brand and IP.
If lego batman does well (which it probably will), you will end up with yet more "lego" DC films and potentially two separate DC cinematic "universes." one animated, one not.
it doesn't matter who refers to who, only which is profitable.
cantona222
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Can I suggest something. Please start your post by mentioning whether you watched the movie or not. So that we can evaluate your opinion.
supermarioworldE
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Hopefully general movie going audiences will eventually understand that WB has no idea what they're doing with this universe?
jk
CaviarMeths
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Why? Anybody can go to boxofficemojo.com and see how the movie is performing and compare it to the performance of other movies.
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