BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Yep. People just loving the idea of breaking the devs, and specifically Sean Murray down at this point. Which is sad to see.
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No Man's Sky: Free updates coming, potential paid DLC in future depending on budget
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Yep. People just loving the idea of breaking the devs, and specifically Sean Murray down at this point. Which is sad to see.
GodParticle
Member
I don't care what kind of dlc it is(paid or free) as long as some kind of substantial content is coming. There's so much potential with this game
really? I wonder if your tune changes when NMS is announced for xbox? (I don't really wonder at all)
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Yeah. But I mean...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Britbongreturns/status/765190830894317568/video/1
I can see where it stems from.
Krappadizzle
Member
So true. The game has so much damn potential..
Oppo
Member
it could be that. OR, there could be a new patch coming. we'll know either way soon!
Sean was the one who said that! It's not like people expected only free DLC for no reason. We was going by what we were told, big mistake I guess huh? But I guess we are all stupid and professionally outraged by taking Sean at face value. Our bad!
We have clearly reached the "bitch eatin' crackers" stage of No Man's Sky discussion at this point.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Really?
And yes, you're being a bit ridiculous. He still says they are trying to do free DLC, but he may have been naive in thinking that they, the 12 person studio, could afford to provide those free updates forever, so they may indeed eventually have to do paid DLC.
He didn't say there is paid DLC coming. There may never be paid DLC.
He is just giving the few people that read that previous interview a heads up, that he may have spoken about something he was naive about.
Which is something he absolutely had no obligation to say, and was the right thing to do in his position.
So you being "outraged", is absolutely ridiculous. Yes.
StereoVsn
Member
Isn't the bullshit in PR selling lots of copies though? I would say his claims before release (Multiplayer, free DLC, sandworms, etc...) are working out pretty damn well for them.
I mean, look at the number of copies they have been selling. Imagine if those folks pony up for expansion, season pass or microtransactions (get fuel now for only $3).
I don't think people expect free content these days, and some of the anger is unwarranted. However, he's the one who said there would be no paid DLC and just free content.
That's why people are upset. One week it's "everything will be free" and the next week it's "we might do some paid stuff".
Make of it what you want.
That's why people are upset. One week it's "everything will be free" and the next week it's "we might do some paid stuff".
Make of it what you want.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Thread is a perfect example of who reads the titles only and who actually reads the OP.
NoFaceNico
Member
Now don't you start putting new words in his mouth to go back on...
More_Badass
Member
No, it's "We'd like everything to be free. We might do some paid stuff if having everything free becomes unrealistic in the future"
Oh god I watched it without sound earlier and it was hilarious. Now I'm literally crying.
So because I made a single post saying I don't trust what Sean says anymore and I'm not surprised he had to backpedal means I'm "outraged"? Really?
Inkvoterad
Member
welp
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I didn't read your previous post specifically. You replied to him talking about outraged people, without denying outrage, and in fact embracing it. So I assumed you were outraged, yes.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
Wait, I thought that one of the bullet points about NMS was that all DLC would be free?
I've not even followed the development of NMS that closely as I wanted to go in blind but even I know that there was a big thing about DLC being free.
I've not even followed the development of NMS that closely as I wanted to go in blind but even I know that there was a big thing about DLC being free.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Nope. Was never a bullet point, it was mentioned that that was what they were trying to do, but it was never advertised, and never made note of during any of the games many big E3 showings.
Also, if you read the interview the in the OP, free DLC is still coming, and paid DLC MAY come, if only to fund the ability to create more..
Deaf Spacker
Memb
Fair enough, I must have remembered wrong.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
Implying there might be a feature set they couldn't afford to do for free and might charge for it down the road isn't a big deal to me. If we continue to get free content and it's good quality, I've got no issue with paying for certain things.
Brilliant.
Only if you didn't comprehend what procedurally generated animals would entail.
veloxStrix
Banned
I think - read: hope and assume - this is a similar issue to the phrasing CD Projekt Red used with The Witcher 3. Small things like ships and freighters are free, but expansions that add something substantial will have a price maybe.
Still hoping that we can make a break-through on modding tools or that Hello Games will throw us a bone on that one. I have lots of ideas, other people have better ideas, and I imagine that would breath a new life into the game that might make it more worth the coin for people.
Still hoping that we can make a break-through on modding tools or that Hello Games will throw us a bone on that one. I have lots of ideas, other people have better ideas, and I imagine that would breath a new life into the game that might make it more worth the coin for people.
And I was replying to a post that hand waved us all as being "professionally outraged" and where the poster said we are "next gen entitled" for wanting free dlc when those were the words used by the creator. That was the context of what I was replying to.
I can't understand why people defend this. I mean, they are not kids playing with a toy, before talking, since they run a business, they should consider what they are saying.
Instead of promising free DLCs forever (exactly like they did), say nothing instead, better option. Because for now I see this:
-they charged 60 for a game which should be 20, considering there's not so much to do. People bought it even because there was a free DLCs promise, so by spending more at the release, you will get the COMPLETE experience.
-the game released and it sold a lot, despite being criticized by several reviews
-Sean backpedaled about free DLCs: now there will be some free updates and DLCs, but also paid one.
It's clear to me as soon Hello Games saw cash flowing in, they dropped the promise, because money are money.
Dunno, for now I have zero trust in this software house. Missing features on launch, no multiplayer (even if some tweets from Sean himself say the contrary, but there's not an evidence proving this and packet sniffing confirmed there's no multiplayer) after they claimed for years it was included, lacking of answers when people keep asking questions, now the DLC backpedaling...really?
Instead of promising free DLCs forever (exactly like they did), say nothing instead, better option. Because for now I see this:
-they charged 60 for a game which should be 20, considering there's not so much to do. People bought it even because there was a free DLCs promise, so by spending more at the release, you will get the COMPLETE experience.
-the game released and it sold a lot, despite being criticized by several reviews
-Sean backpedaled about free DLCs: now there will be some free updates and DLCs, but also paid one.
It's clear to me as soon Hello Games saw cash flowing in, they dropped the promise, because money are money.
Dunno, for now I have zero trust in this software house. Missing features on launch, no multiplayer (even if some tweets from Sean himself say the contrary, but there's not an evidence proving this and packet sniffing confirmed there's no multiplayer) after they claimed for years it was included, lacking of answers when people keep asking questions, now the DLC backpedaling...really?
Robust modding tools would be amazing. Since the game is single-player, it would also be pretty much academic to let players create their own solar systems that are set apart from the galactic map proper. They could prohibit players from bringing any tech OUT of the systems, but let pretty much anything go within. I would love to see what players could do with the assets available to them
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
This game has the production values, the content, the graphics, the gameplay, and longevity of a game which comfortably sits in this price range but because the industry veterans that made it do not work for a mega publisher and are classified as independent or indie suddenly they cnnot charge more than peanuts?
The game required a lot of work from a still not trivial amount of skilled people for quite a bit of years and that costs money, software costs money to make... no matter what we think when the word indie comes up or how much cellphone gaming has destroyed perceived software value/monetary worth... and I bet you will see quite a lot of free patches, content, and game updates too.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Maybe they want to keep their business afloat, guys that bet their life savings on this project, and worked for years to deliver a product which cannot be sold for a loss/completely overhauls its business model because some people do not value at all the technology they built and the game they designed around it. You are allowed not to like it, but saying that it is worth 1/3rd of its asking price is making a lot of IMHO bad assumptions and does reek a bit of the indie games cannot be worth that much money after all.
Good luck asking Ferrari for a discount because there are not many places you can really do a lot with its engine without getting addice fines
.While it is understandable not liking when a developer goes back on a promise, Sean Murray did acknowledge its earlier statement and apologised because down the line he felt that some big expansions would be difficult to put into production without being able to charge for them... but he did not say that most content additions would now require a season pass or something either. Depending on the expansion it would be either charging for it or putting it into a NMS2 game and I prefer the former as this is a game that should be evolved and last rather than having lots of sequels.
Something like Demon Souls asynchronous multiplayer would be nice, but I like single player experiences and there is so much more you could do with trading and adding more backstory and quests later on. A lot they can borrow from Star Control/Starflight
.I completely agree.
In terms of long term profit and success of cashing into the title free DLC would be more profitable. They would essentially building a long term community as well as providing a more finished product for fans.
But the way things are going Hello Games is making millions on this title but people are to eager to defend their decisions because they're a small indie company. Don't give them power to believe they're above crappy practices because they are the "underdog". There is an entire study on this with Youtubers, we want Hello Games to succeed because their small, but once they get big and found success they feel like they can still get away with decisions because of the previous mentality we feed them which creates... Clusterfucks we all know too well.
If people really want what's best for Hello Games and No Man's Sky you should be fighting for a better game that everyone would love and not some half experience they sold us on. I'm enjoying the game for what it is, but I do feel lied too from previous comments about the game, and the fact that their taking a back seat means they are AVOIDING to say anything that will negatively effect the sales of the game right after the game released because they know if they tell the truth or don't find a comment that twist their words the right way the game would severely drop in sales.
To everyone on Gaf, Im not trying to spout a conspiracy theory but rather pointing out that we the consumers do have an enormous impact on the game and the company. Probably more so then any other game or company right now. And so far from experience, giving companies the idea that any of this is okay is just going to make the problem steadily worse for everyone.
SlickShoes
Member
People are acting like he's just said regular patches will not be free.
I'd hazard a guess that normal patches will come, they will include small things that make the game better.
Now the game has sold well they can consider making proper dlc size content for it and charging for that.
Unless people would rather they stop working on the game now and move on to somethibg else just leaving a skeleton staff on nms dor patching.
I'd hazard a guess that normal patches will come, they will include small things that make the game better.
Now the game has sold well they can consider making proper dlc size content for it and charging for that.
Unless people would rather they stop working on the game now and move on to somethibg else just leaving a skeleton staff on nms dor patching.
Sleight of Jam
Banned
Dude there's no online in this game, so cross play doesn't even make sense.
I think the game is pretty fun and interesting, it just needs these updates. As is, it's a game that will suck you into its grind and you will feel burnt out kinda fast but still want to pick up and play later.
At least for me. Folks do seem pretty eager to dogpile on this game though. At the very least it has achieved being a very unique and different experience but I would be pretty disappointed if the game stays mostly the same as it is.
At least for me. Folks do seem pretty eager to dogpile on this game though. At the very least it has achieved being a very unique and different experience but I would be pretty disappointed if the game stays mostly the same as it is.
People don't expect free content normally in a $60 release, but this also doesn't feel like a $60 polished and complete experience. It really feels like shit is missing that they just didn't have time to finish and I would like to see it patched in and not added as more monetary content. When you buy a $60 indie game that was promised free content that made you think it was like Minecraft in its free content schedule, only to find out that an interview happened that said maybe stuff would be free and maybe some of it will be monetized, in a $60 indie game that already feels light on unique content, it really starts to grind the gears.
I've been a proponent of this game and fully expected that maybe my $60 experience wouldn't quite reach my expectations on day one, but that was with the developer-fed-expectations that I would be receiving that additional content for free since I paid 3x what a normal indie game costs.
I feel like for $60 on this game made by 10 people, that I've already purchased the "Season Pass", so I feel like for $60, I'm already entitled to a wealth of content and that is my expectations based on prior developer-initiated statements to that fact.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Why does this notorious troll get so much traction?
Wow what a deceiver. Bait and switch.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Jesus, I cannot understand this reasoning. Why does it matter if it is an indie game or not, if 10 or 100 people worked on it?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Fantastic title change.
travisbickle
Member
The quote is:
It's whether you believe they're going to spend all the profits they received now (incl. your $60) on hookers and blow or use it to provide updates till it runs out.
Agreed, it doesn't.
Still, I can understand some of the disappointmend considering many "similar" games (on PC at least) get new content exclusively for free, sometimes even over the course of a few years, while only costing $20 or so.
No Man's Sky looks like it will be one of the best selling games of the year, and the developers aren't sure they have the money to not do paid DLC? Eh. Considering how the launch went, it's at least bad PR which is surprising since they've been so good at it before.
When the actual end result is an indie game with less-than-advertized content that repeats over and over in a poor approximation of scale, yet it costs 3x what an indie game costs.