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[Spyder_Monkey]

TGS has no bearing on when Nintendo plans things. They haven't attended the show in years, TGS has had a increasing focus on mobile, and it's also when Sony announces new games as well. And let's face it Nintendo doesn't have the high ground and they need the most amount of attention they can get. TGS can potentially overshadow any NX information. And if developers do say they have NX games in development, well it's not like they can't say it. I'd say a week or two after is the best time to fully reveal what Nintendo has to offer. Almost everyone's mind will be off TGS and Neo then and late-September to early-October is a gaming news deadzone. It's after major gaming events like TGS and Gamescom but before the holiday season when new games are getting released. And developers who do have NX games in development could get a second round of attention buy reminding people about their newly announced games and all that.

I'm pegging it the anytime after September 22.

 

[javac]

Well, I don't think they'd delay the reveal due to hardware issues this late in the game unless they actual release has been massively delayed, so an issue with games is the most likely cause.

Or you know, they got a last minute big win and want to rework that into their reveal. Point being, its easy to spin things and be hyperbolic.

 

[lwilliams3]

So..before John said something, why were people getting to hyped up today? I thought Roshi said prior that the 18th would be the earilest reasonable date, but wasn't likely to happen that soon anyway.

 

[Malus]

So..before John said something, why were people getting to hyped up today? I thought Roshi said prior that the 18th would be the earilest reasonable date, but wasn't likely to happen that soon anyway.

There wasn't really much hype, though there were a couple people thinking Rosti meant something was coming today.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

So..before John said something, why were people getting to hyped up today? I thought Roshi said prior that the 18th would be the earilest reasonable date, but wasn't likely to happen that soon anyway.

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

 

[MacTag]

They haven't attended the show in years

They haven't attended the show ever in fact. Nintendo used to host it's own show (Shoshinkai/Space World) instead.

Iwata did do a TGS opening keynote once though if that counts.

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

I'd argue reasoned and researched speculation is more his forte.

Baseless speculation seems to be more the realm of some other posters in this thread.

 

[Skittzo0413]

So..before John said something, why were people getting to hyped up today? I thought Roshi said prior that the 18th would be the earilest reasonable date, but wasn't likely to happen that soon anyway.

People are not rational and when they read a date they get excited.

3/34/2017! Book it!

 

[maxcriden]

Ok, but I don't grasp a logic here, if 3rd partes can show something valuable, NX hardware could have a better market. It would be good to Nintendo. Why 3rd partes have to be shit and late to the party when they can be first and foremost?

I understand what you're saying from a logical perspective, but this is simply the way Nintendo and its competitors have always done business. If you look back to any PS/X HW reveals you'll find the same pattern. Since third parties don't only have a game to show off for the first time when a HW developer is ready to show off their new HW, they have to follow the HW developer's preference and wait to reveal it alongside the aystem reveal or after. This also helps them get free extra press. It stands to reason that many third party launch games for any HW from the last 15+ years were probably ready to show before the HW reveal, but that has never dictated when they're shown. The only logical through line here is that HW creators want to show off potential on their own terms before anyone else can.

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

He specifically said this wasnt based on baseless speculation, though.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

At least one person gets it.

 

[Plinko]

A bit of this, there's quite the difference.
Welp, pack it up for a month guys, nothing is happening before TGS anymore...

It probably never was. Late September/early October has always made the most sense. That time period lets them get clear of the PS Neo announcement and hits before PSVR releases.

 

[Eolz]

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

He's far from doing baseless speculation, just vague like any leaker (good ones or not).
Maybe a bit too much lately.


Edit for above: maybe, maybe not. It just was really hinted at and just made a lot of sense. Seems that we can just definitely rule that out now on go back to hardware speculation rather than date one.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

I'd argue reasoned and researched speculation is more his forte.

Baseless speculation seems to be more the realm of some other posters in this thread.

He does a lot of research into how possible timeframes could work and how they would announce stuff, but most of that doesn't provide much of a base for speculation. Like Nintendo being closed for a week must mean that they'll announce something huge soon afterword when they open up when... no it really doesn't.

 

[Retrobox]

Sooo basically Nintendo's reveal plan is potentially right on schedule and some of us just kinda got carried away by speculations. Welp.

 

[aBarreras]

man people getting mad at nintendo for an unofficial delay to their unofficial reveal lol

 

[Sadist]

Oh John posted.

End of September it is!

 

[Skittzo0413]

He does a lot of research into how possible timeframes could work and how they would announce stuff, but most of that doesn't provide much of a base for speculation. Like Nintendo being closed for a week must mean that they'll announce something huge soon afterword when they open up when... no it really doesn't.

Rosti had a reason that he could not share to expect no announcement before 8/18, it had nothing to do with Nintendo's closure. He said that this reason could not be shared due to a three letter acronym (NDA).

 

[Aostia]

There are many other possible causes that are just as likely. Perhaps the venue they wanted most isn't available when they expected it to be. Perhaps Joe J. Nintemployee in marketing convinced NCL that October was the best time for a reveal after reading Plinko's wise thoughts on the matter. Perhaps Nintendo is furiously reinventing logos for NX but everything else is done.



John Harker, who is reliable, previously said Nintendo and Sony were competing to see who could reveal first. Neo was announced for September 7. Today John is saying that it seems the reveal may not even hit by TGS. He did not say definitively, but this makes it seem like there has been at least a small delay in the reveal timeline. It could be a matter of a week or something, though. Certainly I don't believe it's reason to panic yet.

I am pretty sure John didn't know any exact date but just a timeframe that now, with no invite sent, seems just a little bit later than expected
Depressing for us, with our thirst , but not scaring for the actual product
That doesn't mean I am confident on the actual product

 

[Joegrine_TT]

 

[daakusedo]

Like Nintendo being closed for a week must mean that they'll announce something huge soon afterword when they open up when... no it really doesn't.

It's surreal when you think of it lol
Another kind of ideaman for a new generation.

 

[Roo]

Rosti is really, really, good at baseless speculation.

Not really.
He is however, too cryptic so I can see why the way he talks could get on people's nerves sometimes.

I personally don't mind but saying he's good at "baseless speculation" is plain wrong.

 

[10k]

We've officially hit rock bottom.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

It's surreal when you think of it lol
Another kind of ideaman for a new generation.

Anybody who's cryptic with inside information should be ignored immediately. Even if they're right it's just a waste of time and pointless if you are going to post in the first place. Hell, I think the mods are tired of that shit now.

 

[Joegrine_TT]

We've officially hit rock bottom.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL gotta keep the baseless speculation going

 

[aBarreras]

We've officially hit rock bottom.

you should know about that, with a tag like that

 

[majik13]

edit: oh nevermind

 

[Plinko]

To be fair, that is a bizarre time to do maintenance.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Rosti had a reason that he could not share to expect no announcement before 8/18, it had nothing to do with Nintendo's closure. He said that this reason could not be shared due to a three letter acronym (NDA).

Then don't say anything???
No one wants vague shit like that.
They could announce when the reveal is weeks and weeks from now going by that.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Maybe there is no NX.

Maybe it's one of them metaphorical things.

No. They said there would be sandwiches.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Not really.
He is however, too cryptic so I can see why the way he talks could get on people's nerves sometimes.

I personally don't mind but saying he's good at "baseless speculation" is plain wrong.

He makes too many assumptions based on extremely circumstantial evidence. I know he knows a guy with Nintendo info but that shit's under heavy NDA and no way in hell we'll get something out of it. Not trying to be hard on him but people take this shit as gospel instead of looking at it as a guide as to how Nintendo operates which is the thing he's good at the most.

 

[ozfunghi]

Who dat?

He's a dev. I think he works for Ubisoft or maybe that's just based on guesswork (can't remember).

 

[Fourth Storm]

Hey, let's all gang up on Rosti now, because he tries to throw us some tidbits of info without getting people fired.

His "cryptic" posts have all been deciphered within a page tops. He said not before (including) the 18th. That doesn't mean that August 19th was a guaranteed announcement. That doesn't mean that plans aren't subject to change.

 

[ckfy63a]

Discarding all these self-proclaimed insiders and seemingly baseless speculation, I think the only official timeline we have is reveal this Fall (some Nintendo spokesperson from either EU or Canada, I can't recall which, said "We'll talk more about NX in the Fall") and launch in March 2017. Given this information, I think I'm on team late September / early October for the reveal (after TGS).

Look at the facts: NX was announced March 2015 in tandem with the 5 mobile game partership with DeNA. The reason for NX's being announced there was to assuage fears that Nintendo was exiting hardware...or was it? Perhaps NX ties in with the mobile games in some way (which would make sense given the Eurogamer rumors).

Assuming NX/mobile game tie in, it would make sense to discuss the two in the same event. And what do we know are coming out this Fall, as re-confirmed by DeNA earnings last week? Animal Crossing and FE mobile games. As such, I'm starting to think Nintendo will have some sort of Fall Conference / Direct to showcase both the remaining 2-4 mobile games with DeNA and the NX. The mobile games are coming out in the Fall (let's assume by November), and I'm sure they'd be revealed least a month in advance.

So my money's on around a month (and a half, maybe) from now for the NX reveal. As for the announcement of the announcement, frankly, no one can say, insider or not.

 

[Plinko]

Discarding all these self-proclaimed insiders and seemingly baseless speculation, I think the only official timeline we have is reveal this Fall (some Nintendo spokesperson from either EU or Canada, I can't recall which, said "We'll talk more about NX in the Fall") and launch in March 2017. Given this information, I think I'm on team late September / early October for the reveal (after TGS).

Didn't they also reconfirm this at the last investor's briefing?

 

[Übermatik]

Rösti opens up avenues for discussion through thorough research and wide-cast speculation. They're just an impassioned nerd (in honestly the nicest way possible!) who likes to keep the hype engine chugging along at a moderate speed. I really value their contributions because they're assiduous, even if a little far-fetched.

Love you Rösti, the work you put in more than pays for your shortcomings!

 

[Fourth Storm]

I remember Kimi saying something like NX info would come "not too late in the year." That's pretty vague. Can someone find a quote where he said "fall" specifically?

 

[lwilliams3]

Hey, let's all gang up on Rosti now, because he tries to throw us some tidbits of info without getting people fired.

His "cryptic" posts have all been deciphered within a page tops. He said not before (including) the 18th. That doesn't mean that August 19th was a guaranteed announcement. That doesn't mean that plans aren't subject to change.

Correct.

 

[11redder]

Maybe there is no NX.

Maybe it's one of them metaphorical things.

Waiting for Tendo.

Should we hang ourselves?

 

[Rösti]

Didn't they also reconfirm this at the last investor's briefing?

During the Financial Results Briefing for Fiscal Year Ended March 2016 on Apr. 28, 2016, Mr. Kimishima said this:

We plan to release our new concept game system, currently being developed under the codename "NX," in March 2017.
We will take another opportunity prior to the release to discuss the features and price of the NX, as well as the software lineup for launch.

Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/160428/04.html

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Hey, let's all gang up on Rosti now, because he tries to throw us some tidbits of info without getting people fired.

His "cryptic" posts have all been deciphered within a page tops. He said not before (including) the 18th. That doesn't mean that August 19th was a guaranteed announcement. That doesn't mean that plans aren't subject to change.

Nate's Pascal information alone was more substantial than anything codeman has ever posted.
I don't even know if it's true but it was something.

 

[ckfy63a]

I remember Kimi saying something like NX info would come "not too late in the year." That's pretty vague. Can someone find a quote where he said "fall" specifically?

Don't think Kimishima ever said Fall. It was some Nintendo higher-up at NOE or something that let that slip.

 

[MacTag]

He does a lot of research into how possible timeframes could work and how they would announce stuff, but most of that doesn't provide much of a base for speculation. Like Nintendo being closed for a week must mean that they'll announce something huge soon afterword when they open up when... no it really doesn't.

Even not much of a base is still technically a base. Looking at timeframes of past announcements and factoring Nintendo's August schedule to say don't expect anything said before the 18th doesn't exactly strike me as baseless speculation.

Baseless speculation seems more like projecting a reveal after TGS means an entire system delay later in 2017, no TGS presence means no 3rd party support or that the reveal was suddenly delayed because half their 3rd party projects were miraculously canceled. This thread's dripping with baseless speculation, with virtually none of it coming from Rosti.

 

[10k]

you should know about that, with a tag like that

When the NX handheld ends up not using Nvidia at all and the console ends up being x86/AMD come give me a holler. Until then, stop with the low hanging fruit of my tag that had nothing to do with that joke.

 

[ggx2ac]

I wouldnt do any immediate count downs, I'm not even sure they are going to hit TGS now

So I wake up and it turns out Schrödinger's NX Announcement box has been opened and, the reveal date has been destroyed.

Everything has gone from "it's the final countdown!" to the Roundabouts - To be continued meme.

Here, just listen to some of the Persona Q theme song to lift your morale.

https://youtu.be/UH5ZwAuuuIY

 

[G.ZZZ]

Always relevant for Nintendo events:

 

[Fourth Storm]

During the Financial Results Briefing for Fiscal Year Ended March 2016 on Apr. 28, 2016, Mr. Kimishima said this:

Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/160428/04.html

Hmm. And that's the most recent comment on the matter? Not even a commitment to this year. In a very pessimistic interpretation, the release window could be this year's "NX information" that was promised up to that point.

Edit: Nevermind, it's right there in the presentation. Later this year.

Nate's Pascal information alone was more substantial than anything codeman has ever posted.
I don't even know if it's true but it was something.

Rosti's patent digging alone makes him a valuable poster. Any industry rumblings are gravy, in my eyes. I don't recall any promises being made.

I'm as impatient as the next poster, but I'm not going to go on the attack for a poster who very clearly has been trying to get us any morsel of shareable information in these barren days.

 

[Huddy]

Perhaps Nintendo has cancelled the NX and will cease trading tomorrow, selling all IP's to Konami so they can make more pachinko games.

In the many worlds interpretation that has happened.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Real guys. Some people just need to step away from the NX boards. Just take a break and come back Monday. We're all to ingrained into this news 24/7 that'll eat you up inside.

 

[10k]

Hmm. And that's the most recent comment on the matter? Not even a commitment to this year. In a very pessimistic interpretation, the release window could be this year's "NX information" that was promised up to that point.



Rosti's patent digging alone makes him a valuable poster. Any industry rumblings are gravy, in my eyes. I don't recall any promises being made.

I'm as impatient as the next poster, but I'm not going to go on the attack for a poster who very clearly has been trying to get us any morsel of shareable information in these barren days.

The way this forum seems to work is if you vague (for privacy reasons) or aren't leaking entire spec sheets, dates and times, you get shit on.

Rosti is a valuable poster from his patent scoping and general opinions alone.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Hmm. And that's the most recent comment on the matter? Not even a commitment to this year. In a very pessimistic interpretation, the release window could be this year's "NX information" that was promised up to that point.



Rosti's patent digging alone makes him a valuable poster. Any industry rumblings are gravy, in my eyes. I don't recall any promises being made.

I'm as impatient as the next poster, but I'm not going to go on the attack for a poster who very clearly has been trying to get us any morsel of shareable information in these barren days.

Nothing wrong with his factual digging up posts, those are at least real and interesting and he seems to find them before others.

It's the other shit I find pointless and better left unsaid.

Not that he should stop it though because others want ANYTHING to try to latch onto.

 

[Knobiwan]

Rosti is a valuable poster from his patent scoping and general opinions alone.

Agreed! I keep up with him on here and twitter and it is always factual, non-baseless speculation and worth reading every time.

With that, I'm(baselessly) confident we are shot for this week, and next week will be the reveal of..er... the reveal. We're grasping at straws a lot here aren't we? Either way, I'm about to try to forget about it for the weekend, play some 3DS. I'm sure you'll be playing Federation Force right, 10k?