TyMiles2012
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"It feels like a PS2 game"
So did Ratchet And Clank for PS4 and it was great. I don't see the issue.
So did Ratchet And Clank for PS4 and it was great. I don't see the issue.
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Polygon: "After a Half-Hour with The Last Guardian, I'm Concerned"
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I like Roach too. See the thing is, at least in Ico and SOTC (and I expect TLG) normal gameplay maxims are superseded by the greater requirements of the piece as a whole.
Thus Argo is given enough independence to feel like an actual animal separate from you, thus you control him in s manner where you feel you are controlling Wanda who is riding Argo. This is important because, while it might frustrate, thematically and emotively you need to be invested in Argo by the end sequence of the game for the narrative to work
Actually I'd say that's the key thing about ICO and SOTC (and probably TLG) - you don't play them for gameplay or traditional gaming satisfaction. You play them for the experience.
They're legitimately different from majority of games and as such evaluating them as straight up games is always going to be difficult.
It's odd though. Ico and SOTC were at best modest success although of course they grew to be critical and cultural darlings of the medium. I never would have expected a long thread or this much interest in TLG. I guess it's the long wait and its near mythical status but people should temper their approach. TLG is likely to be more like watching a film by an artistically distinct director like David Lynch than a generic summer blockbuster that's a very known quantity in approach and execution.
LowlySmokeGuy
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I won't defend shit controls, but I won't call them shit controls until I've played it myself.
Control feel is as subjective as it gets, so this guy's opinion really means nothing.
Control feel is as subjective as it gets, so this guy's opinion really means nothing.
Star Fox controls were actually bad and unnecessary.
Necromanti
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There was another preview where they said the controls felt snappier than Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, so I wonder how relative it will be.
MrSaturn99
Member
Well, anyone would be concerned after waiting for over seven years, but purposely-jerky controls and Team Ico go hand-in-hand. We'll see if it clicks at launch.
Nah, you're right! I'm not saying the creator intent HAS to be respected, but if the design can't match the creator's intention, then it doesn't work. For a game, that means that if the intention were to make the game feel like you're an awkward 12 years old but it ends up being unplayable because of the mechanics needed to make this possible, then it doesn't work.
But that's really interesting, all of this. Let's wait and find out how the game turns out. I'm actually excited for it, for all its potential fault.
Primethius
Banned
Saying a Team Ico game feels like a PS2 game means they still got it!
Chuck Norris
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I love the way the ICO games feel. Responsive but have the right amount of weighty momentum that needs to be considered. I can see why some people would confuse it for jank but it's done that way on purpose
CyberPunked
Member
How did Ratchet and Clank on PS4 feel like a PS2 game, other than because Ratchet and Clank happen to be PS2 games?
Are the combat and controls overall different in the PS4 version?
David Lynch? Maybe if the game was Killer 7 or Silent Hill: The Room.
TLG seems more like a Miyazaki film to me.
More_Badass
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I believe he meant more in the sense of enjoying a work from a creator with a very distinct perhaps unconventional style, not in the literal sense of TLG being Lynchian in tone
lukeskymac
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You're not even trying to hide it, are you?
Lol - yeah that's a better example. I love Lynch's stuff and tend to use him as an example of someone with a singular artistic approach. But he's not very "Team ICO".
Miyazaki is a great example though.
I'd love a Lynch version of everything just to see what it's like though.
Correct. I'd fear for Trico even more in Lynch's hands.
Domcorleone
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Why does this one preview have its own thread? We have a last guardian tgs impressions thread...
Sorcerer Supreme
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Jawmuncher
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The Last Guardian
PS4s very own Recore for the holiday
PS4s very own Recore for the holiday
Berserking Guts
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There is a massive divide between people who want a modernized unification of controls across all of their games (x to jump, square to reload) and people who value unorthodox control schemes that require patience to learn (hop backwards one square, run - hold square, jump, immediately hold x to climb)
Some people want that easy accessibility, not everyone has or wants the time investment required to 'get used to the controls'. Personally, I find it rewarding to learn new controls unique to a particular game. Different gameplay styles sometimes require a shake up of the status quo, and I find it refreshing.
Some people want that easy accessibility, not everyone has or wants the time investment required to 'get used to the controls'. Personally, I find it rewarding to learn new controls unique to a particular game. Different gameplay styles sometimes require a shake up of the status quo, and I find it refreshing.
Journey
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You're saying PS2 is to blame for horrible platforming? I'd say it's the opposite, there were some great platformers there. The complaint is about controls; nothing to do with visual fidelity which would be the only thing that should be affected with the transition.
Dargor
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Since when lore and backstory are not part of the story?
If you were criticizing the story-telling aspects of GG's games I would have no issue with it. You can have a good story and be horrible at telling it. Its still a good story though.
But you were not saying that.
I think my first answer is also adequate here, too. Both of you basically said the same thing about my post and my opinion about Killzone's story
Steve Youngblood
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Well, what's the context of the discussion. If we have a discussion about the best video game site on the internet, obviously they're kind of a singular entity. I can't submit for your consideration only good stuff they publish while insisting that you ignore bad content they've published. It's all Polygon content.
But that said, it's lazy and counterproductive to act as though some bad piece of content they've published in the past automatically invalidates any current piece we might be discussing. Forget a site authored by a collective of individuals. Pretend that the Doom player had his own site where he authored all the content. Summarily dismissing any argument he'd currently be making by citing the Doom preview would just be a lazy ad hominem attack.
First post nails it lol
I don't know why anyone is concerned, this game is vapourware unfortunately. Same goes for Star Citizen.
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First post nails it lol
I don't know why anyone is concerned, this game is vapourware unfortunately. Same goes for Star Citizen.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/download
Mass_Pincup
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I was responding to this:
Your first paragraph actually align with what I said, I also never said that a bad piece content invalidates any other thing they publish, just that in my opinion even though it may have been play/written by one specific Polygon employee it's still a reflection of the company point of view.
Spiral Insanity
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We've just received word, GAF News can now confirm
More on this story as it develops. Back to you, Tom
This is great.
Solid SOAP
Member
I enjoyed the controls in Shadow of the Colossus, I'll deal with em here. I'm in this more for the atmosphere and puzzle solving than precision controls, which I reckon won't be super necessary for success in the game.
TemplaerDude
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It's probably just because I don't like them, but that headline just screams of Polygon riling up emotions on a hotly anticipated game for clicks.
Waddle Dee
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Sounds like a Team Ico game to me.
Yep.
Dee Dah Dave
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The ICO controls are certainly dated, but you soon get used to them. If the game is good I can give them a pass quite easily.
Good job they didn't suck 10 years ago then (and still don't in fact if you play Ivo today).
They do put artistic intent ahead of pure control though which some just can't accept as being right for those particular games.
What's that word? Subjectivity, I think?
Dangansona
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You're right, and honestly it isn't just GAF because I've seen Kinda Funny continue to do this.
So am I. You'd think they can improve on something.
……forgetit
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We've just received word, GAF News can now confirm
More on this story as it develops. Back to you, Tom
Can you blame them, if you were a kid when the last team ico game came out you could be old enough to be a game journalist today.
Last_colossi
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We've just received word, GAF News can now confirm
More on this story as it develops. Back to you, Tom
This x1000.
Unfortunately I expect this to unfold onto the reviews for the final game come release as to properly appreciate the game you need to have played ICO and SoTC.
My expectations for The Last Guardian have always been "It's an early PS3 game made by Team ICO.", I'm just excited to finally be able to play it for myself.
ioriyagami
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Phil Kollar said:
The game looks fantastic. And I have read way too many "control sucks" opinion from people that can't seem to understand not all games of a similar genre need to have the same control scheme/feeling.
Despite owning it on the PS2, I didn't play Ico (for more than half an hour) until long after the PS3 collection released. So, unfortunately, your dismissive assumption simply doesn't apply. However, feel free to tell me what game you think is great so that I can arrogantly state why it is objectively inferior to all other games. This is fun. We're having fun.
"Our games feel bad" isn't a great hallmark.