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I would have liked to see Freeza live so he could be forced to participate in the tournament arc by Beerus.

They could also use him as the reason Zamasu wants to destroy mortals since Freeza is basically everything he hates about them.
 

Astral Dog

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I would have liked to see Freeza live so he could be forced to participate in the tournament arc by Beerus.

Frieza was too evil to be left alive, at least we might see Frost again someday

edit: And Zamasu was focused on his own universe (until Goku arrived) , no way he cared about Frieza or that he being left alive by Beerus would change that.

he is more obsessed about the Saiyans
 
That would be interesting. Would you want them to keep Frost in that case?

Frost probably wouldn't be needed then but, if he did he would be actually good like he portrayed himself to be. Naturally, Freeza would be disgusted, but it would be a good opportunity to learn more about his race.

Frieza was too evil to be left alive, at least we might see Frost again someday
Vegeta was more or less just as bad as he was, and he was left alive for a long time. Not to mention Beerus or Whis could step in if Freeza ever tried anything.
 

Alienous

Member
Yeah, it would have been cool to have Frieza as the fifth member of the tournament team.

Also Vegeta only trounced Frieza because he was already softened up by Goku. Vegeta didn't deserve that kill.
 

Astral Dog

Member
Frost probably wouldn't be needed then but, if he did he would be actually good like he portrayed himself to be. Naturally, Freeza would be disgusted, but it would be a good opportunity to learn more about his race.

Vegeta was more or less just as bad as he was, and he was left alive for a long time. Not to mention Beerus or Whis could step in if Freeza ever tried anything.

but that was like, Gokus choice, and Vegeat was not killed for pragmatic reasons, he was helping against Frieza after all.:p

And finally, Frieza annoys him, Beerus was going to kill him anyways
 

olympia

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i've had enough of frieza personally. i'm glad he is dead. they've brought him back enough times. the best way to improve u6 was to have buu fight and also piccolo do more instead of getting poisoned.

Vegeta was hardly about to win anything anyway. Goku did all the hard work.

i mean the takeaway is that they should have just teamed up on him. idk if vegeta would have lost to him since vegeta would presumably have taken the fight much more seriously but maybe his shortcoming would have gotten the better of him like it did with goku.
 

NeonZ

Member
That would be interesting. Would you want them to keep Frost in that case?

I'd retroactively enjoy the U6 arc much more if they actually managed to use what was set up there in good way, like making Cabba's planet relevant somehow (not just a pointless visit in a filler episode) and Hit returning as a rival for Goku.

Also, if they actually made Frost move in a different direction after the tournament it'd actually save his character, which right now is completely pointless. Considering how vague the manga was about his evil (which suggests that Toriyama outline only had very vague comments about his true nature), I don't get why Toriyama even went in that direction.
 
but that was like, Gokus choice, and Vegeat was not killed for pragmatic reasons, he was helping against Frieza after all.:p

And finally, Frieza annoys him, Beerus was going to kill him anyways
Didn't stop Goku for trying the same thing with Freeza.

I'm sure losing to Champa would annoy Beerus far more than that, so he would keep him around like Champa did with his team.

Zamasu was focused on his own universe (until Goku arrived) , no way he cared about Frieza or that he being left alive by Beerus would change that.

he is more obsessed about the Saiyans
Zamasu is pissed about mortal's rivaling the gods while Freeza pretty much surpassed most of them. Not to mention Freeza goes around treating himself like a God destroying planets and selling them could easily set Zamasu off.
 
the best way to improve u6 was to have buu fight and also piccolo do more instead of getting poisoned.

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I actually don't mind how Piccolo and Fat Buu was handled since Piccolo had become a joke since the Buu saga and Fat Buu really has no reason to exist anymore.

I just think if you went through the trouble to bring back Freeza and make him strong as Goku's God form that it's kind a waste to get rid of him, especially when you end up making a Freeza look alike for the U6 team.

As for the U6 arc, they really should have done some episodes before the Zamasu arc and had Vegeta and Goku go to U6 to follow up on some of the subplots they set up there.
 

Astral Dog

Member
Didn't stop Goku for trying the same thing with Freeza.

I'm sure losing to Champa would annoy Beerus far more than that, so he would keep him around like Champa did with his team.

Zamasu is pissed about mortal's rivaling the gods while Freeza pretty much surpassed most of them. Not to mention Freeza goes around treating himself like a God destroying planets and selling them could easily set Zamasu off.

yep , thats why they would not leave Frieza around, he had already stopped conquering planets by the time of RoF and was just going to start again after getting revenge, it was a matter of time before betraying Beerus trying to kill Goku again somehow, no way he was going to survive long,
as for Zamasu his backstory would be more or less the same, the point is that he gets obsessed with Goku, we only know he watches mortals doing nasty stuff.

dont get me wrong i love Frieza but he is a bad apple
 
I'd retroactively enjoy the U6 arc much more if they actually managed to use what was set up there in good way, like making Cabba's planet relevant somehow (not just a pointless visit in a filler episode) and Hit returning as a rival for Goku.

Also, if they actually made Frost move in a different direction after the tournament it'd actually save his character, which right now is completely pointless. Considering how vague the manga was about his evil (which suggests that Toriyama outline only had very vague comments about his true nature), I don't get why Toriyama even went in that direction.

I'm sure most of these things will happen.
 

Ishida

Banned
I genuinely want to hear why you guys love GT. Not even tryin to judge right now.

Sorry for the late response! But I can indeed tell you why I love GT.

*The opening and ending themes. Easily the best in the series. I grew up with the Latin American dub, which is very faithful to the original japanese lyrics. And they are AWESOME and very nostalgic.

*The drawing quality.

*The designs. Biker Vegeta, Pan, Trunks and even the simplistic design of Goten.

*Pilaf and his gang still being villanous. Also the fact that they, the first "main villains" of the Dragon Ball series, are also the ones who unwillingly kickstart Goku's final adventure.

*The TIME SKIP!! One of the main things I love. Time has actually passed. Characters have grown, and they have changed. Pilaf being presented as an old, decrepit villain still desperately clinging to world domination is the first clue to show how much time has passed since Goku was a kid.

*Uub actually makes an appearance thanks to the time skip. Sure, he's underused, but at least he's acknowledged.

*The music. Simply great. Not a lot of variety, and a lot of tracks are different versions of Dan Dan, but they are extremely memorable.

*Goku being a kid again. One of my favorite points. Kid Goku >>> Adult Goku any day of the week. I love this. You can easily tell just how much fun Goku is having with being a kid again. The episode with him spending a whole day with a pair of kidnappers and causing all kinds of trouble for them is just amazing.

*Pan. I gotta admit that I despised her back when I was a kid. But I grew fond of her. Sure, she's rebellious, annoying and causes trouble. But she's a teenager, and she inherited her attitude from her mother. She's mostly a mini-Videl, actually.


*Goten. I love what they did to Goku's descendants overall. Not a single one of them ended up becoming like him, and I appreciate that. Gohan is the scholar, Goten's personality adapted to the city life (And his friendship with city boy Trunks) and became a guy who is in love and wants to impress his girlfriend.

*Android 18 still being serious and a little rude to Krillin. I'm not really fond of the more gentle, smiling Android 18 from Super. Also, I loved seeing her getting furious and then crying at Krillin's death. I don't know, I found their relationship more "believable" in GT than in Super.

*The sense of adventure, discovery and wonder of the Space/Baby saga. Sure, the second part of the series turns into a series of quick, disposable villains, like a mega condensed tribute to DBZ, but the first part was just amazing. It reminded me of the original DB. Going to new regions, meeting new people, discovering their problems and trying to fix them. That was one of the things that made me fall in love with Dragon Ball in the first place. Trunks getting dressed as a bride, the gang trying to get the Dragon Ball out of a giant's tooth, going into a super expensive planet and being charged for everything....

*Vegeta's family interactions. For some reason, I don't like the "don't touch my Bulma" Vegeta that we got in Super. I actually like the more simple family Vegeta from GT. One that clearly loves his family, but has no issue throwing his daughter 20 feet into the air to "get her to safety". A Vegeta that takes his daughter shopping and then wrecks a couple of guys who hit on her (But with no drama involved!).

*While I do agree that Super 17's saga is kind of lame and rushed, I appreciate some bits of fanservice with old villains (Including Red Ribbon people) escaping from hell and being taken down by the heroes.

*The concept of the Dragon Balls slowly being corrupted after each wish makes a lot of sense, especially with the "you have to wait a year" to use them again thing going on. In the fantastic world of DB, it actually makes sense. A penalty for abusing the wish-granting Mcguffins. I really love that the final arc of the series is about punishing the heroes for abusing the Dragon Balls. Of course this means the Dragon Balls are back into the spotlight, which is great.

*Vegeta's speech about being furious at people wanting to destroy Earth over and over, and being fucking tired of it. Sure, it might not be as impacting as his sacrifice against Buu in DBZ, but it's also a fantastic scene which I consider a followup to his change of heart.

*Super Saiyan 4. Overdesigned? Maybe, but I love how badass it looks. I love how the transformation is achieved, making it more of a side-step rather than a continuation of the golden Super Saiyan line. I'll take monkey Goku over the "Original character do not steal" transformations we are getting in Super.

*The final episode. Man... I love me some closure in my favorite series. I like to think there's an eventual ending. And to me, Dragon Ball GT delivered. At least to my tastes. That final episode is one of my favorite TV moments ever. Very few scenes can surpass the one with kid Goku and old Krillin sparring one last time at Kame House while Roshi watches. I don't care if GT is "not officially canon". To me, this is the end to Dragon Ball. I don't know if Super will be able to pull such an emotional ending, but from what I've seen of it, I highly doubt it.




I'm sure I'm missing some more things, but I've already typed that wall of text.

I understand why people don't like and even hate GT, but those are my personal reasons on why I love it, and why it is part of my headcanon, and why to me, it is the real ending to Dragon Ball. :)
 

ElFly

Member
I would have liked to see Freeza live so he could be forced to participate in the tournament arc by Beerus.

They could also use him as the reason Zamasu wants to destroy mortals since Freeza is basically everything he hates about them.

freeza was really respectful of the gods tho
 

ZangBa

Member
I just saw the last episode. Damn, the music when Beerus grabs Zamasu's hand and destroys him is so hype. I can't wait for the next episode, this really feels like the most interesting Dragon Ball has ever been.
 
Vegeta got the moral win against Freiza. :p

He beat him so bad that Freiza knew the only way to win was by a cheap trick.

Vegeta was just as capable of delivering the final blow as Goku.

Toriyam, please give me a Vegeta kill soon
 

Astral Dog

Member
Vegeta got the moral win against Freiza. :p

He beat him so bad that Freiza knew the only way to win was by a cheap trick.

Vegeta was just as capable of delivering the final blow as Goku.

Toriyam, please give me a Vegeta kill soon

Vegeta is going to kill Black, he is finally going to live his dream of killing (fake) Kakarot
 

Skeeter49

Member
Piccolo not beating Frost was bullshit, and letting Goku enter back into the tournament, but not letting Piccolo when the same thing happened to him was annoying as well.

Vegeta beating Frost had no weight to it, Piccolo beating Frost then losing to Magetta would have been a lot better. I liked the U6 arc, but you can't defend that.
 
Piccolo not beating Frost was bullshit, and letting Goku enter back into the tournament, but not letting Piccolo when the same thing happened to him was annoying as well.

Vegeta beating Frost had no weight to it, Piccolo beating Frost then losing to Magetta would have been a lot better. I liked the U6 arc, but you can't defend that.

Piccolo did get back into the tournament but forfeited.

I do agree that the whole matter should have been handled way better. Same with Buu.
 

HeroR

Member
Buu would've gotten through the whole thing rather easily, tbh. At least until Hit.

Goku being eliminated the way he did was BS though.


Not really. Buu would have been stomped by Frost given that he's stronger than Frieza outside of the ultimate form. As the fight with Kid Buu showed, Mr. Buu can be defeated with brute force, or just throwing him out of the ring.
 

olympia

Member
buu might have lost but i feel like he would have used cool and interesting abilities which would have made him a good matchup against botamo and magetta

i'm not trippin that hard about it, i still really like the u6 arc
 

KingBroly

Banned
Not really. Buu would have been stomped by Frost given that he's stronger than Frieza outside of the ultimate form. As the fight with Kid Buu showed, Mr. Buu can be defeated with brute force, or just throwing him out of the ring.

Super Saiyan Goku was more than enough for Frost's "ultimate" form. Frost just cheated, after all.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
I like DBGT the best because of the character models. The character models are waaaaaay more consistent in DBGT than any other dragonball series, they all look so good. I really dig the big head style, it just looks smarter, almost more mature.

I also agree it had the best intro and ending music, it was so extreme. "Step into tha grand tour, step into tha grand tooour!"
 
yeah nobody would have any way of defeating buu, they would have to kill him all at once but then they would get disqualified for killing

they should have had someone other than buu in the first place

edit: @ the post above me, the JP OP for DBGT is gold
 

Skeeter49

Member
Piccolo did get back into the tournament but forfeited.

I do agree that the whole matter should have been handled way better. Same with Buu.
They could have started with Botamo vs. Buu, have both of them trying to fight, they see their hits aren't working, and they both forfeit at the same time.
 

olympia

Member
step into the grand tour is the worst

dan dan fucking RULES though

hold my haaaaannnnd~~~~~

as far as the cookie thing goes i can totally see buu trying to use it on magetta and it just bouncing off because magetta is a robot metal man or something like that. like, why not
 
Buu gets stomped by everyone that isn't Botamo and magic should be against the rules.

Cabba was a weakling. Buu would just one hit him and it would be over.

Frost might be stronger than Freiza, but even King Cold told Freiza don't fuck around with him.

Again, I think Buu would be able to handle the robot dude and can survive in a vacuum(iirc), so when he started pumping out gas would not be affected.

Hit would beat Buu, but if Buu surprised him with his attack then it would be over.
 

olympia

Member
shut up. dan dan rules

the piano in dan dan is so fucking clean. the slide before the first verse is so good, fuck. the drums fucking own too. the way the guitar hooks you right in the beginning rules too

this is a good version of the song imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KylUVBB82pg

just an ownage song with ownage instrumentation

this song actually has some life to it unlike step into the grand garbage
 

Krejlooc

Banned
One, two, three.
For many a year the Dragonballs have always been there and now,
The righteous, the innocent and the just must now depend,
On themselves to defend mother earth from the rebirth of the ultimate end.
Now the tournament is over the closer the greed creeps,
For every good that's done further can evil seeps.
Inside the very spirit that makes the good compete.
Get the just to prevail, the righteous CAN'T FAIL!
(Black-star Shenron speaking normally) Your wish has been granted.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (6 seconds, getting lower from the first half and lower the second half of the second half)
Step into the Grand Tour (GRAND TOUR, GRAND TOUR!!!)
Step into the Grand Tour (DRAGONBALL GT!!!)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (6 seconds, getting lower from the first half and lower the second half of the second half)
Step into the Grand Tour (GRAND TOUR, GRAND TOUR,DRAGONBALL GT!!!)


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Skeeter49

Member
If they really want a way to defeat Black, they should bring Mr. Satan and the dog to the Future, have Black kill them, and have Buu go crazy on him and Zamasu.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
I heard a rumor that Goku was going to go to a new super saiyan, called Super Saiyan white, which is specifically obtained to defeat Black (get it, because Black + white = clear).
 
I like DBGT the best because of the character models. The character models are waaaaaay more consistent in DBGT than any other dragonball series, they all look so good. I really dig the big head style, it just looks smarter, almost more mature.

I also agree it had the best intro and ending music, it was so extreme. "Step into tha grand tour, step into tha grand tooour!"

Step into the grand tour?????
 

Tsunamo

Member
GT had its moments.

Nuova Shenron being a good guy was actually pretty cool.
Ice Shenron's death was awesome.
I also liked that he had the 4 star Dragon Ball aswell, which was always Gokus keepsake. (till he let it go after the saiyan saga and didn't properly go looking for it again unless a wish had to be made anyway)
Now shop supreme Jobber out and it's perfection.
While his size sticks out compared to the others I think he goes well considering him and Beerus are opposites and if one dies the other will.
 
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