balladofwindfishes
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Which is kind of funny, because apparently Hillary is quite the life of the party. Her and McCain held drinking contests, and she beat him.
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Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?
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Which is kind of funny, because apparently Hillary is quite the life of the party. Her and McCain held drinking contests, and she beat him.
I think that is in reference to the picture of Clinton poorly pouring a beer.
Meant why . And yeah from most logical perspectives she quite simply doesn't have the charisma and force of personality for it only reason she has almost a shoe in is cause she's up against trump . IMO she would do sooo much better as a behind the scenes person .but that's my opinion .
Worst pint of Guinness ever. Ireland should denounce her.
balladofwindfishes
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I think that is in reference to the picture of Clinton poorly pouring a beer.
Oh wow, I've never seen this picture.
She's terrible at pouring beer
Here we go:
- Too hawkish for my tastes, will only escalate the bombs/drones from today's Obama administration
- Voted for Iraq and doesn't truly understand the amount of devastation she causes, like this should be a whole deal but Clinton supporters simply chalk it up as a "whoopsie daisy", which really brings up the point- Trump may talk big but Hillary is the one who has actually done those things, where Trump has done nothing yet, yet people express outrage at his words but not Hillary's actual actions.
- Wayy too friendly with wall-street
-Pro-death penalty
- Is a calculating and power-hungry politician. I have no doubt that she does want to help people, but there is a sense of entitlement and desire to be at the top that is absolutely grating.
- Lobbied against violent video games
- Support for a country that is basically Donald Trump's wet dream, Israel.
- Beholden to corporate interests.
...despite all that, I still want her to win. But really, she is the worst liberal candidates I have seen in my life in the western world, and not just in the US. Worse than like, Michael Ignatieff and John Kerry.
- Too hawkish for my tastes, will only escalate the bombs/drones from today's Obama administration
- Voted for Iraq and doesn't truly understand the amount of devastation she causes, like this should be a whole deal but Clinton supporters simply chalk it up as a "whoopsie daisy", which really brings up the point- Trump may talk big but Hillary is the one who has actually done those things, where Trump has done nothing yet, yet people express outrage at his words but not Hillary's actual actions.
- Wayy too friendly with wall-street
-Pro-death penalty
- Is a calculating and power-hungry politician. I have no doubt that she does want to help people, but there is a sense of entitlement and desire to be at the top that is absolutely grating.
- Lobbied against violent video games
- Support for a country that is basically Donald Trump's wet dream, Israel.
- Beholden to corporate interests.
...despite all that, I still want her to win. But really, she is the worst liberal candidates I have seen in my life in the western world, and not just in the US. Worse than like, Michael Ignatieff and John Kerry.
Barry Burton
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I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, but I don't think any more or less of her than any other career politician. They are what they are, and she gets more scrutiny because she's high profile.
I think the Democrats could have done better, but when you look across the aisle at what the Republicans put forth (and who their nominee is), you could do far, far worse.
I think the Democrats could have done better, but when you look across the aisle at what the Republicans put forth (and who their nominee is), you could do far, far worse.
benjipwns
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Dreams-Visions
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disappointed.
I'm mostly cool with Hilldawg, but I'd bet my GAF account the vast majority of vitriol directed at her comes from a combination of ignorance and surface level impressions (like her relatively cold public persona which turns a lot of people off).
Not to say there aren't legitimate concerns with her or to downplay those that have apprehensions. She's not exactly Barry O.
Not to say there aren't legitimate concerns with her or to downplay those that have apprehensions. She's not exactly Barry O.
cryptosporidium
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https://theintercept.com/2016/03/13...-of-collaboration-with-gop-on-foreign-policy/
Because she has the support of both parties on various issues and I can see a lot of harm coming from her misjudgement (I.E Libya, Iraq, TPP)
Edit: Clinton could legitimately run as a republican if not for her sex (like an American Rona Ambrose)
Because she has the support of both parties on various issues and I can see a lot of harm coming from her misjudgement (I.E Libya, Iraq, TPP)
Edit: Clinton could legitimately run as a republican if not for her sex (like an American Rona Ambrose)
First, I wouldn't necessarily say that I dislike her. But, I'd rather another candidate was running for President.
Facts: I disagree STRONGLY with her record on oversees intervention/wars.
She is the most disliked democratic candidate in modern history, making this election unnecessarily hard for the dems.
Her reaction to the email "scandal" was terrible for a long time, including straight up lying about it and being stubbornly defensive. Again, this created more unnecessary problems. She did the right thing at the debate, though. Own it, make amends, and move on.
Feelings:
She is missing a quality that I very much like about Obama. I feel like Obama has this aspirational, almost philosophical, approach. Hillary, on the other hand, is a little too matter of fact/realpolitik-y for me. I just don't get those butterflies when I hear her talk.
Facts: I disagree STRONGLY with her record on oversees intervention/wars.
She is the most disliked democratic candidate in modern history, making this election unnecessarily hard for the dems.
Her reaction to the email "scandal" was terrible for a long time, including straight up lying about it and being stubbornly defensive. Again, this created more unnecessary problems. She did the right thing at the debate, though. Own it, make amends, and move on.
Feelings:
She is missing a quality that I very much like about Obama. I feel like Obama has this aspirational, almost philosophical, approach. Hillary, on the other hand, is a little too matter of fact/realpolitik-y for me. I just don't get those butterflies when I hear her talk.
cloud_sleep
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I think that is in reference to the picture of Clinton poorly pouring a beer.
Too much head. It's the Clinton curse.
Doesn't look like Guinness on the tap.
Still not sure how her charisma makes it so she shouldn't run for President. I believe she does have a force of personality though. She's tough and I think she will do fine in the big seat.
And be out after the first Republican debates? Yeah, this is ridiculous.
It is impossible to divide an opinion of Hillary Clinton from the fact that she is a woman, because much of the public information and opinion of Hillary is formed from what began as a sexist campaign back in the 80s/90s. The secretive Hillary formed today is also the result of what happened to her because of her gender.
Vincent Grayson
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I really don't get how people are painting coming around on gay marriage as a bad thing.
We should be praising when our politicians come around on an issue to the right stance.
We should be praising when our politicians come around on an issue to the right stance.
Thanks for this
I think that is in reference to the picture of Clinton poorly pouring a beer.
Beer snob GAF going in hard.
I hear ya.
ersocaster
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Let's dismiss the fact that she's spent nearly her entire political career trying to help others.
Mr. Giggles
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Mainly because Abuela wouldn't be where's she's at without Slick Willy. She ran for senator in liberal NY (rather than Arkansas), which everyone knew was setting up for prez run. Then after failing against a much more inexperienced Obama in 2008, she was gifted the SoS position to help bolster her resume. And then now in 2016, Abuela was practically gifted the Dem nomination since her only real competition was an old white Jewish guy from VT. Even then, everyone knew Bernie had no shot at winning.
She wasn't my first choice in 2008, nor in 2016, bet yeah, at least she's better than Trump.
Settle for Clinton 👍🏾 Smartest thing she's done is embrace obama's policies.
She wasn't my first choice in 2008, nor in 2016, bet yeah, at least she's better than Trump.
Settle for Clinton 👍🏾 Smartest thing she's done is embrace obama's policies.
She can't. Cause to be successful a women has to act like a man.
Want a raise? Negotiate like a man.
Want to lead? Be tough and demanding like a man.
Want to appear strong? Hide your emotions like a man.
Want to appear strong? Hide being sick like a man.
Want people follow you? Be outwardly confident like a man.
Women are put in the impossible position of once they play the game like a "man", they are not feminine enough. Why is she so cold? Calculating? Why is she so reserved and fake?
These are traits that are admired in male leaders. Dude has cold balls of steel! Dude is so smart out maneuvering people like that. That guy has an excellent poker face! Yet when a women act this way to be successful, they are negatives.
It a double standard that needs to die.
The Albatross
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Dukakis had the worst summer of any presidential candidate in, like, 80 years. After the GOP convention he tried incredibly hard to appeal to voters and look tough on foreign policy, because Bush Sr. was generally considered an expert on Foreign policy having served in the FP elite for like 30 years... And so Dukakis completely flubbed with this horrible photo shoot that backfired with him riding a tank and a giant, Spaceballs like helmet on. And then the Bush campaign came out with a brutal attack ad based around Dukakis vetoing a bill that ended up letting a convicted murderer get out of prison on work release, who went onto rape and murder someone else. His campaign, riding high in APril or May, plummeted faster than any other that century. It was rough.
That's not guinness, but yeah. Not even a stout.
Astral Dog
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Drunk Hilary best Hilary 🍺
That's even worse then lol Guinness is easier to fuck up than beer, lagers or ales.
sturgboski
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Cool. Why though? Is it a feeling or based on actual fact. I don't mean that confrontationally but as a differentiator, like the Clinton foundation "scandal" where it really isn't at all based on facts, but is to people based on feelings (the Trump Foundation and its use of funds is a scandal and I believe an investigation is being looked at).
Conversely, do you trust Trump? I mean a lot of what you said about stagnation and such is also incorrect based on national metrics.
shinobi602
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I strongly dislike her foreign policy towards the Middle East.
But that's almost every American politician so it's no different really.
But that's almost every American politician so it's no different really.
Ganzlinger
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She is a socialist. I have nothing against her persona, though, she is clearly the only viable option.
I assume you are joking? If not, you need to read a few books.
What?
That is just completely ridiculous
cryptosporidium
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count claude henri de saint simon spins violently in his grave
^ to above, i said that because her stance on foreign policy and big business. I really recommend people actually read the article I posted earlier. Hell I repost it https://theintercept.com/2016/03/13...-of-collaboration-with-gop-on-foreign-policy/
Clark W Grizwald
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Oh God no. I would vote for Trump over both him and lying Ted.
superdeluxe
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Didn't she flip flop on TPP because they added some stuff to it that she didn't like? Is that really considered flip flopping, if the actual equation changes?
Astral Dog
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I cant trust her too unlike Trump who is all vile, honest shit Hilary looks like she has something to hide
Time to read some ideology history. Not even Bernie was a socialist even though he declared himself as one.
I don't dislike her, I voted for Bernie and ideally I would like her to be further to the left, but he lost.
I actually like her a lot, she is competent and qualified as hell and by all accounts when you actually get the chance to talk to her she's great.
The Frontline episode made all these things pretty clear.
Will happily and proudly vote for her.
I actually like her a lot, she is competent and qualified as hell and by all accounts when you actually get the chance to talk to her she's great.
The Frontline episode made all these things pretty clear.
Will happily and proudly vote for her.
Shake Appeal
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We should be so lucky!
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minor effort
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Look, I get that Clinton supporters online can be a little overbearing. If it's any consolation, the fervor will subside significantly after November 8.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
Hard to say, since negotiations were secret. Worth noting Obama still in favor of TPP.
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