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[BTails]

Underrated? It's highly celebrated?

The Metal Gear games on MSX have the typical MSX2 low/choppy framerate, they push the system too hard. There's a patch to run them more smoothly on a Turbo R, but Turbo Rs are ultra expensive!

Sorry, I forgot I was in the Retro thread when I posted, haha. I've seen people actively recommend not playing MG and MG2 countless times in threads over the years.

I never knew about those patches, is there anyway to emulate that? I've only ever played the MSX games emulated (first the fan translated versions, then again when MGS3 Subsistence was released, then again on the HD collection)

 

[D.Lo]

Sorry, I forgot I was in the Retro thread when I posted, haha. I've seen people actively recommend not playing MG and MG2 countless times in threads over the years.

I never knew about those patches, is there anyway to emulate that? I've only ever played the MSX games emulated (first the fan translated versions, then again when MGS3 Subsistence was released, then again on the HD collection)

Just use the MSX Turbo R mode in an MSX emulator!

I only have a vanilla MSX2 so that's the only way I've done it.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

I played MG1&2 recently for the first time via MGS3 (despite having access to them for a long time...) and I was really impressed. The worst I can say is that 2 was a little long; 1's brevity was really refreshing. Otherwise they're truly great games.

On the subject of MSX, any one know how FPGA MSX fares? I know the ultra-expensive 1chip MSX was FPGA-based and there is a core based on that for the MIST but I'd kind of like to hear firsthand. There are compatibility lists but I've just grown not to trust that kind of thing, they tend to gloss over a lot of errors.

I keep getting tempted but I think it'd be better to stay away from 8/16-bit computers and FPGA is a pretty good solution there.

 

[D.Lo]

MSX is like the easiest 8-bit computer to get into. Mostly because all the good games are on cart, so there's none of the tape/disk not working nonsense. Almost all models have composite out, and many also do 240p RGB.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

MSX is like the easiest 8-bit computer to get into. Mostly because all the good games are on cart, so there's none of the tape/disk not working nonsense. Almost all models have composite out, and many also do 240p RGB.

That's my impression as well but the are a few things holding me up:

1. importing them is more difficult than a normal console due to size. It's not as bad as other stuff but like that would either a) take a lot of space in luggage or b) make my in-laws think I am crazy for wanting a 33 year old computer
2. they're really old and of a wide variety of build quality -- it's really hard to know how the inside working order is. I can handle re-capping if needed but it's a PIA that I'd rather not do
3. the number of games I'm interested is pretty thin. I mean this didn't stop me from getting a Saturn (don't kill me) but nicer looking MSX2s are relatively more pricey and less impulse-buy
4. some of the better games are in dumb price territory. SD Snatcher for >$100, Akumajou Dracula >$70...

 

[Fularu]

oh, agreed...but if you skip the OG turrican games and go to say, Mega Turrican, you feel better about life

there's so many of those EU PC type games that Retro Gamer adores that even my old atari playin ass is like...really? this is a janky platformer with too much to collect & weird colors, what am i missing

Mega Turrican is a turd compared to Turrican and especially Turrican 2.

It's so glaringly obvious when playing all 3 (provided you didn't waste your time on the awful console ports)

 

[Anth0ny]

That's my impression as well but the are a few things holding me up:

1. importing them is more difficult than a normal console due to size. It's not as bad as other stuff but like that would either a) take a lot of space in luggage or b) make my in-laws think I am crazy for wanting a 33 year old computer
2. they're really old and of a wide variety of build quality -- it's really hard to know how the inside working order is. I can handle re-capping if needed but it's a PIA that I'd rather not do
3. the number of games I'm interested is pretty thin. I mean this didn't stop me from getting a Saturn (don't kill me) but nicer looking MSX2s are relatively more pricey and less impulse-buy
   [*]some of the better games are in dumb price territory. SD Snatcher for >$100, Akumajou Dracula >$70...

oh boy

probably shouldn't mention how much I payed for Metal Gear LOL... though I actually got a great deal on it compared to what it usually goes for.

Metal Gear 2 is even more expensive. like $500 range (Canadian). fuuuuuuuuck.

 

[Glowsquid]

if you're buying Old Games, being canuck is suffering

 

[PumpkinSpice]

oh boy

probably shouldn't mention how much I payed for Metal Gear LOL... though I actually got a great deal on it compared to what it usually goes for.

Metal Gear 2 is even more expensive. like $500 range (Canadian). fuuuuuuuuck.

Like... it gets worse, there's always worse. But it's really hard to even look at a system and see almost everything worth getting just at cray cray prices.

At least with like SNES you can turn to Super Famicom games, but with MSX or PC Engine it's just blahhhhh.

if you're buying Old Games, being canuck is suffering :s

It's bad for a lot of reasons but it could be worse. Until a few months ago the exchange rate vs JPY hasn't been too bad which has helped soften the blow for me at least.

The worst thing is trying to find anything on ebay in Canada... it all gets bought by Europeans looking to buy NTSC but avoid ridiculous shipping prices out of the US.

 

[Galdelico]

Like... it gets worse, there's always worse. But it's really hard to even look at a system and see almost everything worth getting just at cray cray prices.

At least with like SNES you can turn to Super Famicom games, but with MSX or PC Engine it's just blahhhhh.

Super Famicom isn't 100% safe territory either, man. I remember watching the SFC episode of Retro Core, and checking out the games on ebay (just out of curiosity, as I don't collect for the system)... Most of them are surprisingly pricey, today.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Super Famicom isn't 100% safe territory either, man. I remember watching the SFC episode of Retro Core, and checking out the games on ebay (just out of curiosity, as I don't collect for the system)... Most of them are surprisingly pricey, today.

Unrepresentative sample. If I'm not mistaken, Yakumo is a mod on Assembler Games, so naturally his collection would focus on obscure and expensive titles specifically.

 

[Galdelico]

Unrepresentative sample. If I'm not mistaken, Yakumo is a mod on Assembler Games, so naturally his collection would focus on obscure and expensive titles specifically.

Sorry, I didn't express myself at best.
What I meant was, even games that for some reason I would've never expected to be too pricey (obscure Japanese only, anime-based tie-ins, for example, or a Final Fight iteration...), turned out to be extremely expensive. Also, a couple of months ago, a collector I personally purchase from on a regular basis, put on ebay a ton of Super Famicom auctions. Sure they were about mint games for the most part, but even titles that I remember being pretty common - such as R-Type, Batman Returns, Super Castlevania, or Axelay - commanded pretty high prices, in the end.

My point is, I'm not saying Super Famicom land is more perilous than Super NES territory, but I'd honestly feel pretty sorry for my finances, shall I decide to start collecting for the SFC, from today on.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Sorry, I didn't express myself at best.
What I meant was, even games that for some reason I would've never expected to be too pricey (obscure Japanese only, anime-based tie-ins, for example, or a Final Fight iteration...), turned out to be extremely expensive. Also, a couple of months ago, a collector I personally purchase from on a regular basis, put on ebay a ton of Super Famicom auctions. Sure they were about mint games for the most part, but even titles that I remember being pretty common - such as R-Type, Batman Returns, Super Castlevania, or Axelay - commanded pretty high prices, in the end.

Aside from retro games getting more expensive in general even in Japan, there are some games that just didn't get big print runs there but have a large local fanbase today. JP Castlevania games are, for example, consistently between somewhat and ridiculously expensive.

 

[televator]

I've gone cookoo for Y's games. I just bought Napishtim on PS2 and today the whole catalogue on GoG went on sale... So no choice, had to buy them all. lol

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I've gone cookoo for Y's games. I just bought Napishtim on PS2 and today the whole catalogue on GoG went on sale... So no choice, had to buy them all. lol

God, the Ys games are so fuckin' good. The PC version of Napishtim is also worlds better than the PS2 port.

 

[theSlacker]

God, the Ys games are so fuckin' good. The PC version of Napishtim is also worlds better than the PS2 port.

Isn't that true for like all the modern PC versions?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I've gone cookoo for Y's games. I just bought Napishtim on PS2 and today the whole catalogue on GoG went on sale... So no choice, had to buy them all. lol

They are fantastic. Play the ones people claim are bad because they arent. IE Ys IV and V on SFC.

 

[televator]

God, the Ys games are so fuckin' good. The PC version of Napishtim is also worlds better than the PS2 port.

I know! Y's 2 & 3 got me absolutely hooked. I've finally been able to score a huge fix. lol ... I just need to figure out what chronological order they go in.

Isn't that true for like all the modern PC versions?

Yeah

They are fantastic. Play the ones people claim are bad because they arent. IE Ys IV and V on SFC.

Ohoh, SFC? They're not like crazy over priced are they?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I know! Y's 2 & 3 got me absolutely hooked. I've finally been able to score a huge fix. lol ... I just need to figure out what chronological order they go in.

As in story?

Ys Origin
Ys 1
Ys 2
Ys IV (all versions, you have SFC IV, and PCEngine IV which are slightly different though SFC is official canon, well now Memories of Celceta)
Ys III (remake is Oath in Felghana (spellcheck) )
Ys V (there was a PS2 remake of this (maybe PC as well, memory is hurting here) but it was only released in Japan and I don't think it ever got an English translation)
Ys VI (Ark)
Ys VII
Ys VIII

Ohoh, SFC? They're not like crazy over priced are they?

Nope they're super affordable I'm pretty sure I paid around 10 - 15 bucks shipped for both. (as in individually)

 

[RadarScope1]

I've gone cookoo for Y's games. I just bought Napishtim on PS2 and today the whole catalogue on GoG went on sale... So no choice, had to buy them all. lol

No kidding? I will have to check that out. I have a GOG account and the Galaxy client on my MacBook Pro but never really use it...

 

[Morfeo]

I see your cross post and raise you my cross post.


To elaborate: The Wii simply does not produce an RGB image in its frame buffer before sending frames into the video encoder. RGBis an uncompressed color space. The Wii however locks things into a compressed 4:2:2 color space.

Thanks Televator!

 

[Teknoman]

They are fantastic. Play the ones people claim are bad because they arent. IE Ys IV and V on SFC.

Whats the differences in the SFC games again?

 

[televator]

As in story?

Ys Origin
Ys 1
Ys 2
Ys IV (all versions, you have SFC IV, and PCEngine IV which are slightly different though SFC is official canon, well now Memories of Celceta)
Ys III (remake is Oath in Felghana (spellcheck) )
Ys V (there was a PS2 remake of this (maybe PC as well, memory is hurting here) but it was only released in Japan and I don't think it ever got an English translation)
Ys VI (Ark)
Ys VII
Ys VIII




Nope they're super affordable I'm pretty sure I paid around 10 - 15 bucks shipped for both. (as in individually)

Thanks! Yeah, I just want to follow Adol's story and have it make sense. Will definitely have to look out for IV & V

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Whats the differences in the SFC games again?

SFC IV and PCEngine IV were both made by different teams with incomplete scripts. Falcom had lost a bunch of people at the time so they couldn't make it in house and couldn't finish the script I guess. So you have similar stories but different at the same time, the PC Engine one is heavily based on what was done with Ys I and II on PC Engine and is kind of an evolution of that. SFC IV is similar in its game play but feels pretty different. There was even going to be a version for the MegaDrive and there was a deal in place with Sega to make it but it got cancelled pretty early on.

V was developed in house by Falcom and you can see the seeds of where they wanted to go with the series. There's an attack button, a block button and the look of the game when with more realistic proportions. You can see the heavy square influence in the look of the game. There's also some light platforming and such in it. It plays fairly differently than traditional Ys.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Thanks! Yeah, I just want to follow Adol's story and have it make sense. Will definitely have to look out for IV & V

I and II (obviously are highly connected) as well as the IVs. III less so, and then they kind of become individually contained stories if that makes sense. There's recurring characters and themes, but the direct story connections between games becomes less and less ummm there I guess you could say.

 

[Fularu]

SFC IV and PCEngine IV were both made by different teams with incomplete scripts. Falcom had lost a bunch of people at the time so they couldn't make it in house and couldn't finish the script I guess. So you have similar stories but different at the same time, the PC Engine one is heavily based on what was done with Ys I and II on PC Engine and is kind of an evolution of that. SFC IV is similar in its game play but feels pretty different. There was even going to be a version for the MegaDrive and there was a deal in place with Sega to make it but it got cancelled pretty early on.

V was developed in house by Falcom and you can see the seeds of where they wanted to go with the series. There's an attack button, a block button and the look of the game when with more realistic proportions. You can see the heavy square influence in the look of the game. There's also some light platforming and such in it. It plays fairly differently than traditional Ys.

IV was beeing developped in house by Falcom for the Mega CD actually but the project was scrapped.

 

[BKK]

Sega Falcom to be specific.

 

[Teknoman]

Sega Falcom?

 

[IrishNinja]

Mega Turrican is a turd compared to Turrican and especially Turrican 2.

It's so glaringly obvious when playing all 3 (provided you didn't waste your time on the awful console ports)

well, there's about the most EU opinion i've seen in a minute, haha

 

[D.Lo]

well, there's about the most EU opinion i've seen in a minute, haha

Deep Euro.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

hey retroGAF,
i picked up a few games while getting dinner =)

 

[BTails]

Nice pickups! Is the DS version of Resident Evil worth picking up? I already own the Director's Cut (non Dualshock release, so it has the good music), plus the REmake.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Nice pickups! Is the DS version of Resident Evil worth picking up? I already own the Director's Cut (non Dualshock release, so it has the good music), plus the REmake.

i owned ds version before and sold it a while back. graphically it's not up to par but they added 180 degree turn, a quick reload button, added some puzzles that are interesting.

i think if you have the directors cut, it's not worth double dipping. imo

 

[Shadow Hog]

You omitted one of the bigger additions: dedicated knife button, a la Resident Evil 4. Knife no longer takes an inventory slot and is permanently with you. Save that ammo!

It also has a remixed "Rebirth Mode" if you've played the game to death. Personally, I just used it as the port to beat the original game mode for the first time with. Played Jill, saved Chris, didn't save Barry. Gotta try again sometime.

 

[Shadowman16]

I liked the DS port. As mentioned above there is a new mode that remixes bits of the game to spice things up a bit if you already know the original game like the back of your hand, and the game runs really well on the DS. I ended up really enjoying the port, worth getting if you want a decent version of RE1 on the go.

 

[Morfeo]

You omitted one of the bigger additions: dedicated knife button, a la Resident Evil 4. Knife no longer takes an inventory slot and is permanently with you. Save that ammo!

It also has a remixed "Rebirth Mode" if you've played the game to death. Personally, I just used it as the port to beat the original game mode for the first time with. Played Jill, saved Chris, didn't save Barry. Gotta try again sometime.

This sounds really useful, but then again, I kinda like how the clunky system in the original adds to the tension.

 

[Peltz]

hey retroGAF,
i picked up a few games while getting dinner =)

I had no idea RE was on DS.

I still have never played a Resident Evil game in my life. I really need to change that some day.

 

[BTails]

I had no idea RE was on DS.

I still have never played a Resident Evil game in my life. I really need to change that some day.

Well, it's October coming up... Perfect time to start! Inf act, if you subscribe to Playstation Plus, they're giving the HD version of REmake for free in October. That's one of the best RE games available, and an amazing place to start the series!

 

[cyborgnumberblue]

After like 3 weeks, this thing finally came in.

Behold! Hori's Fighting Stick Multi!

Supports SNES/Genesis/PC-Engine, just plug in the cable you need and you're good. SNES cable not pictured cause it's plugged in.

Thing was covered in a thin layer of smoke crud. Cleaned it off and enjoying some Endless Duel and eventually Weaponlord!

 

[sir_kevith]

Nice lookin stick. I love that early 90s retro look and the original box with japanese text.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

I had no idea RE was on DS.

I still have never played a Resident Evil game in my life. I really need to change that some day.

Peltz, do it =) check out Resident evil, you won't regret it =)

 

[Laws00]

So how long will it be till 360/PS3 is considered retro?

Is the DC, GB, Xbox, PS2 era hitting that mark now?

its just crazy to me how old some of this stuff is now and it doesnt seem that long ago

 

[BTails]

Is the DC, GB, Xbox, PS2 era hitting that mark now?

It's hard to think that way, but I would now consider that generation retro, based on the number of years.

For example, using North American release dates, the PS2 is turning 16 years old this year. When the PS2 launched in 2000, the NES was 15 years old. I think back in 2000, we would've called the NES "Retro".

 

[sixteen-bit]

So how long will it be till 360/PS3 is considered retro?

I think it would take a fundamental departure from how those games were played. For example, should VR become mainstream versus gaming on a 2D screen.

 

[RadarScope1]

So how long will it be till 360/PS3 is considered retro?

Is the DC, GB, Xbox, PS2 era hitting that mark now?

its just crazy to me how old some of this stuff is now and it doesnt seem that long ago

It's absolutley retro. Has been for a bit in many people's minds. Nows the time to grab niche titles on those platforms.

After like 3 weeks, this thing finally came in.

Behold! Hori's Fighting Stick Multi!



Supports SNES/Genesis/PC-Engine, just plug in the cable you need and you're good. SNES cable not pictured cause it's plugged in.


Thing was covered in a thin layer of smoke crud. Cleaned it off and enjoying some Endless Duel and eventually Weaponlord!

Excellent! How's it feel? Is it pricey?

 

[Laws00]

It's absolutley retro. Has been for a bit in many people's minds. Nows the time to grab niche titles on those platforms.



Excellent! How's it feel? Is it pricey?

Been collecting since 2006/2007. I have like 400+ physical boxed games combined for the these systems

I think I want a JP 360 for cave games but im trying to find a way to buy them from live. im just worried the games I want till be region locked and my points will be worthless

 

[cyborgnumberblue]

Excellent! How's it feel? Is it pricey?

Feels good, it feels a lot like the Neo Geo AES and CD 1st party arcade sticks except better build quality.

It was about $150, including shipping from Japan. Whether that's pricey is relative, but I figure that's a fair price, considering I can use it across 3 systems.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Both Classic Game Room and Retro Core reviewed that stick in the past year or so. It looks really cool. Can't beat that multiplatform utility.

 

[RadarScope1]

Feels good, it feels a lot like the Neo Geo AES and CD 1st party arcade sticks except better build quality.

It was about $150, including shipping from Japan. Whether that's pricey is relative, but I figure that's a fair price, considering I can use it across 3 systems.

Sounds reasonable to me, given the versatility. Nice get.

 

[cyborgnumberblue]

Both Classic Game Room and Retro Core reviewed that stick in the past year or so. It looks really cool. Can't beat that multiplatform utility.

Saw it on CGR and wanted one bad. Sort of hard to come by, they seem to be popping up on ebay recently.