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[Jimmyfenix]

With the talk of how certain game franchises are debuting to lower sales than others such as Deus Ex & Halo 5 and others having their best debut such as Fifa 17 and UC4 i thought it would be interesting to discuss how Gears Of War 4 is holding up to past games.

1. FIFA 17 - 105,000 (-55%)
2. Gears of War 4
3. Mafia III - 55,000 (-54%)
4. ‘WWE 2K17’
5. Rise of the Tomb Raider: 20 year edition

Gears of War 4 may have missed 100,000 mark and Mafia III had a great second week drop.

It has been estimated that Gears Of War 4 first week sales in the UK on Xbox One are in the range of 55K to 105K

Here is a comparison to past games in the series

[Week 46, 2006] 01 (NE) GEARS OF WAR (MICROSOFT) ~ 100,000 / NEW
[Week 45, 2008] 01 (NE) GEARS OF WAR 2 (MICROSOFT) ~ 220,000 / NEW
[Week 38, 2011] 01 (NE) GEARS OF WAR 3 (MICROSOFT) - 323,000 / NEW
[Week 12, 2013] 01 (NE) GEARS OF WAR: JUDGEMENT (MICROSOFT) ~ 80,000 / NEW
[Week 35, 2015] 01 (NE) GEARS OF WAR: ULTIMATE EDITION (MICROSOFT) ~ 40,000 / NEW

Remember this data does not include digital sales on Xbox One and PC sales

Thanks to Bruno and Guymelef in the PAL thread for the data

 

[sammyCYBORG]

It's a really good game but it's also a known quantity.

I think MS and Sony are making a big mistake by not establishing new, big exclusive franchises this gen.

Digital probably boosts it a lot though.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

9 out of 10 of my friends bought it digital though.

 

[RynEdwards]

It's a really good game but it's also a known quantity.

I think MS and Sony are making a big mistake by not establishing new, big exclusive franchises this gen.

Digital probably boosts it a lot though.

Cuphead already a classic what are you talking about

 

[bombshell]

It's a really good game but it's also a known quantity.

I think MS and Sony are making a big mistake by not establishing new, big exclusive franchises this gen.

Digital probably boosts it a lot though.

Microsoft have Sea of Thieves, Scalebound coming next year.

Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone coming next year.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

It will be interesting to see if Gears Of War 4 has any legs at all since Battlefield and titanfall 2 come out soon

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Microsoft have Sea of Thieves, Scalebound coming next year.

Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone coming next year.

Sony has a chance of making them into big franchises perhaps, but I don't see that happening with MS.

I doubt any of them will be the Gears/Uncharted level of IP that I was talking about in any case.

 

[EarsOfASnake]

Microsoft have Sea of Thieves, Scalebound coming next year.

Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone coming next year.

4 years into a cycle, this time last gen had already seen the likes of Gears of War, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Uncharted etc some of which were already on their second entries. The industry isn't killing it with new IP this time round unfortunately.

 

[Xando]

Microsoft have Sea of Thieves, Scalebound coming next year.

Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone coming next year.

Out of these 4 i only see Horizon with a chance of becoming a franchise tbh

 

[MANGOD]

Got that digital as well and its great

 

[bobbytkc]

9 out of 10 of my friends bought it digital though.

I get this reference.

 

[patapuf]

Microsoft have Sea of Thieves, Scalebound coming next year.

Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone coming next year.

Honestly, Sea of Thieves, Scalebound and Days Gone do not look like they'll match what Halo, Uncharted or Gears were for last gen.

I'm interested in how Zero Dawn'll do.

 

[Acquiescence]

Out of these 4 i only see Horizon with a chance of becoming a franchise tbh

I see Days Gone doing well, just purely on the basis of how safe and in vogue with what's currently popular it is.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Cuphead already a classic what are you talking about

That game will never come out.

4 years into a cycle, this time last gen had already seen the likes of Gears of War, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Uncharted etc some of which were already on their second entries. The industry isn't killing it with new IP this time round unfortunately.

Albeit me not liking any of them particularly. Destiny, Watch Dogs, Bloodborne,...

 

[DeadOnions]

It will be interesting to see if Gears Of War 4 has any legs at all since Battlefield and titanfall 2 come out soon

I expect Titanfall 2 to be down from the first and won't really effect Gears. BF1 on the otherhand is going to crush it.

 

[leeh]

9 out of 10 of my friends bought it digital though.

10 outa 10 this time.

It shouldn't of even sold any physical copies, something doesn't add up.

 

[Cairnsay]

Obviously it hasn't done quite the same numbers as previous games in the franchise. I would echo what someone else has already said though: don't discount digital sales, especially with this game.

Here in the UK games on the digital storefronts (Live and PSN) are often vastly overpriced when compared to physical. A game may be £55 digital, and still the usual £40-£42 on Amazon. This isn't the case with Gears 4, which I believe is £41 on Xbox Live.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Obviously it hasn't done quite the same numbers as previous games in the franchise. I would echo what someone else has already said though: don't discount digital sales, especially with this game.

Here in the UK games on the digital storefronts (Live and PSN) are often vastly overpriced when compared to physical. A game may be £55 digital, and still the usual £40-£42 on Amazon. This isn't the case with Gears 4, which I believe is £41 on Xbox Live.

£50 on PC unfortunately.

Even for a big Gears fan like me that one hurt to click buy on.

 

[Chris1]

Reposting from the PAL charts:

Holy fuck at Gears 4 numbers..... Hats off to anyone predicting 100k.... Jesus

I think MS is in trouble in terms of first party. They have no big hit, to think there won't be a sequel to games like SO when Gears 4 is barely doing much better than it... I have to wonder if they regret passing on sequels to games like SO now.


Although It's not gonna change that much considering the usual prices & how low the sales are anyways, I do think it's worth noting Gears 4 is actually very cheap digitally for some reason. It's £41.74 digital, don't know why because it was £50 a few month ago, but it's £41 now making it the cheapest full price game digitally in the UK.

£50 on PC unfortunately.

Even for a big Gears fan like me that one hurt to click buy on.

It's not. It's £41.74 on PC aswell. It did used to say £50 on console aswell but they updated it sometime recently I guess. If you paid £50 go on MS customer support and ask for a partial refund and just explain the situation. They should help you.

 

[SmokedMeat]

How are PC sales counted? Are they counted twice since they're technically Xbox sales as well?

 

[OléGunner]

Digital probably boosts it a lot though.

Here in the UK games on the digital storefronts (Live and PSN) are often vastly overpriced when compared to physical. A game may be £55 digital, and still the usual £40-£42 on Amazon. This isn't the case with Gears 4, which I believe is £41 on Xbox Live.

Even if we say digital uptake is about 20-30%, it's still quite a miserable result from where Gears was.

Actually, just a poor result overall for a flagship series.

 

[jonno394]

Obviously it hasn't done quite the same numbers as previous games in the franchise. I would echo what someone else has already said though: don't discount digital sales, especially with this game.

Here in the UK games on the digital storefronts (Live and PSN) are often vastly overpriced when compared to physical. A game may be £55 digital, and still the usual £40-£42 on Amazon. This isn't the case with Gears 4, which I believe is £41 on Xbox Live.

Please let me know where I can buy Gears 4 digitally for £41, thanks.

 

[Chris1]

Please let me know where I can buy Gears 4 digitally for £41, thanks.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/p/gears-of-war-4/9nblggh4pbbm

Or load up your Xbox and buy it from there.

 

[Syriel]

Remember this data does not include digital sales on Xbox One and PC sales

Seems like an odd oversight.

What's the point of a physical disc when it is nothing more than a license key?

 

[SlickShoes]

I suspect we won't find out any PC numbers unless they are amazing.

Try and play versus though, the numbers can't be impressive because the matchmaking times are absymal.

 

[iMax]

Obviously it hasn't done quite the same numbers as previous games in the franchise. I would echo what someone else has already said though: don't discount digital sales, especially with this game.

Here in the UK games on the digital storefronts (Live and PSN) are often vastly overpriced when compared to physical. A game may be £55 digital, and still the usual £40-£42 on Amazon. This isn't the case with Gears 4, which I believe is £41 on Xbox Live.

It's £49.99.

edit: no, you're correct. Damn. Is this the first time Microsoft has price matched digital prices with retail? Kudos.

 

[jonno394]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/p/gears-of-war-4/9nblggh4pbbm

Or load up your Xbox and buy it from there.

Ooh, interesting. Thanks. (I'd be buying on PC).

 

[sammyCYBORG]

It's not. It's £41.74 on PC aswell. It did used to say £50 on console aswell but they updated it sometime recently I guess. If you paid £50 go on MS customer support and ask for a partial refund.

Still shows £50 for me buddy.

Edit: Just seen above link, odd. Will try and get a refund.

 

[Matt]

Seems like an odd oversight.

What's the point of a physical disc when it is nothing more than a license key?

?

These are retail sales. How is not including digital an "odd oversight"?

 

[Trup1aya]

This is one game if really like to see numbers for my guess is that it landed somewhere between gears 1&2 with digital included...

I have no idea how PC would have affected things- it's the great port that people are having trouble downloading.

 

[Syriel]

It's £49.99.

Might want to check the store before you go quoting prices.

Ooh, interesting. Thanks. (I'd be buying on PC).

It's one license if you buy digital. Just login to the web store with the same MS account you use on the PC. Buy it once and it shows up on both PC and Xbox.

 

[Chris1]

Ooh, interesting (I'd be buying on PC).

Then just load up the Win10 store PC and it will say £41.74.

It did used to be £49.99, but it changed to £41.74 pre release. If anyone paid £50 go on live chat and request a partial refund, don't know if they will allow it but MS support always been good to me.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

How do you contact MS about Windows 10 store purchases to get the difference refunded?

Edit: There's a live chat link on the MS site - got it.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I think MS and Sony are making a big mistake by not establishing new, big exclusive franchises this gen.

It's not like they're not trying though. They're just not hitting the target with their big hopes like The Order and Quantum Break.

Bloodborne has been probably as successful as could have been expected, but it's unlikely to ever be a massive 4+ million seller unless they bring PC into the mix.

 

[iMax]

Might want to check the store before you go quoting prices.

Yes, I edited my post.

 

[leeh]

Even if we say digital uptake is about 20-30%, it's still quite a miserable result from where Gears was.

Actually, just a poor result overall for a flagship series.

With Play Anywhere, digital is probably comfortably higher than this considering EA was also reporting 30%+ in their last financial report.

I'd probably put my guess at 180k~ with digital.

 

[Chris1]

How do you contact MS about Windows 10 store purchases to get the difference refunded?

http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/contact-us#3:1:4

Games > Other under "Purchasing" > Scroll down > Go on Live chat

It's Xbox, but it's the same store they should be able to help you. I'm not sure if there's a dedicated Win10 store support, since it's still under the Xbox umbrella I have to assume it's still Xbox support.

With Play Anywhere, digital is probably comfortably higher than this considering EA was also reporting 30%+ in their last financial report.

I'd probably put my guess at 180k~ with digital.

30% worldwide... aka mostly in US.

This will not be the case in the UK. 30% even with XPA is most likely far too high lol. While I do think it's probably higher than other games in the UK due to the cheap pricing and XPA, but there's literally no way at all it's doubling the sales.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/contact-us#3:1:4

Games > Other under "Purchasing" > Scroll down > Go on Live chat

It's Xbox, but it's the same store they should be able to help you. I'm not sure if there's a dedicated Win10 store support, since it's still under the Xbox umbrella I have to assume it's still Xbox support.

Cheers, gonna try now!

 

[Matt]

With Play Anywhere, digital is probably comfortably higher than this considering EA was also reporting 30%+ in their last financial report.

I'd probably put my guess at 180k~ with digital.

Dude...no.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

Don't forget Play Anywhere is an only digital thing. I've got several friends who bought it digital to be able to play it on both platforms.

 

[Syriel]

?

These are retail sales. How is not including digital an "odd oversight"?

Why does it matter if someone buys a license from a store as a physical disc or as a code?

They're still buying the same software license from the same retail storefront.

And if you want to compare to past consoles (when digital was not available at retail), then it makes sense that the total numbers would be lower as a chunk of buyers will opt for the more convenient digital license (which also includes the PC version).

Yes, I edited my post.

Doh. Didn't see that when I first replied.

 

[Matt]

Why does it matter if someone buys a license from a store as a physical disc or as a code?

They're still buying the same software license from the same retail storefront.

And if you want to compare to past consoles (when digital was not available at retail), then it makes sense that the total numbers would be lower as a chunk of buyers will opt for the more convenient digital license (which also includes the PC version).

Because they get the sales data from retail stores. MS doesn't share XBL sales data.

 

[leeh]

Dude...no.

Have you got any reasoning for why a huge benefit for going digital wouldn't change the physical/digital ratio?

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I'd probably put my guess at 180k~ with digital.

Fucking lol. We don't even know how much the retail copy has sold. What if it's 56,000 - that means you're suggesting over 68% of sales came from digital sales.

Have you got any reasoning for why a huge benefit for going digital wouldn't change the physical/digital ratio?

I'd wager most people who game on Xbone don't care about PC gaming or have a PC which could run a game like Gears 4.

 

[Syriel]

Because they get the sales data from retail stores. MS doesn't share XBL sales data.

That's fine, but that doesn't address why they would ignore digital sales altogether.

It would make more sense to say something like "total sales (not including XBL sales)" rather than ignoring digital sales completely.

Again, why does it matter if someone buys a license from a store as a physical disc or as a code?

They're still buying the same software license from the same retail storefront.

 

[heringer]

Glad Mafia 3 is doing allright.

 

[jonno394]

Then just load up the Win10 store PC and it will say £41.74.

It did used to be £49.99, but it changed to £41.74 pre release. If anyone paid £50 go on live chat and request a partial refund, don't know if they will allow it but MS support always been good to me.

Yeah I had no idea the price dropped, sort of gave up on buying it when it was £49.99. £41 is slightly more palatable.

 

[madmackem]

It's a really good game but it's also a known quantity.

I think MS and Sony are making a big mistake by not establishing new, big exclusive franchises this gen.

Digital probably boosts it a lot though.

I doubt digital boosts it all that much.

 

[Matt]

Have you got any reasoning for why a huge benefit for going digital wouldn't change the physical/digital ratio?

It might change it somewhat...not completely.

You are also suggesting sales that would be completely unheard of for the Windows Store.

 

[leeh]

Fucking lol. We don't even know how much the retail copy has sold. What if it's 56,000 - that means you're suggesting over 68% of sales came from digital sales.



I'd wager most people who game on Xbone don't care about PC gaming or have a PC which could run a game like Gears 4.

Nah, well my whole guess resulted in the basis physical was 100k, so it was 40/60 digital to physical.