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[ZackieChan]

Link to the summary and complaint: http://www.smcarthurlaw.com/original-creator-of-i-c-u-video-game-erased-from-kickstarter-campaign/

 

[Compsiox]

This is much much different than your usual kickstarter fiasco.

This is a fucked situation.

 

[taco543]

Just sounds like one guy letting his hubris get in the way of business partnership and is now going to suffer for it by breaching contract.

 

[BY2K]

Zachary Suite and Keenan created I.C.U. together as students at USC. As a co-creator and the Lead Designer of I.C.U. since day one, Zachary has poured countless hours into the creation and design. Due solely to Keenan’s greed in wanting to cut out a co-founder, and in complete disregard of Zachary’s rights, Keenan released I.C.U. on Kickstarter with absolutely zero mention of Zachary and he has yet to transfer Zachary’s rightful portion of ownership in I.C.U. Games, LLC to him.

Dude, what the fuck.

And I loved Criken's videos.

 

[Jb]

 

[DNAbro]

Jesus that's pretty bad.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Dude, what the fuck.

And I loved Criken's videos.

Yeah dude wtf :3

 

[HandsomeCharles]

Interesting that the game started as a University project. I'm fairly certain that means in most cases the game is property of the University (Unless they got the rights back, which that particular article fails to mention). Ironically, the reason Universities do this (At least, my University anyway) is to prevent students from taking legal action against each other when one student tries to run away with the IP.

Either way, not having things in writing is 100% amateur hour.

 

[BGBW]

If this is true, then this Keenan chap comes off as a right old shit.

 

[cubicle47b]

That is some shady ass bullshit.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Uhh, is he stupid?

I mean, obviously this would backfire.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

This is fucked up, and I loved Criken's videos. But now, Criken has become a greedy bastard for kicking that guy out of the contract. I hope you lose Criken, and I hope that guy wins.

 

[Chittagong]

If that email is legit the lawsuit will be a slam dunk.

How petty / stupid/ greedy though, doesn't quite add up why someone would think they could get away with something like that

 

[Trace]

If that email is legit the lawsuit will be a slam dunk.

How petty / stupid/ greedy though, doesn't quite add up why someone would think they could get away with something like that

Assuming it was sent to every team member, it's fairly easy to find out if it is.

 

[Danis Saur]

Oh, this was a terrible move by Criken... Why would you do that, especially when you have a decent following on the internet. Hope Zachary gets his rewards for working hard.

 

[Dusk Golem]

I actually am right now supporting this game on Kickstarter, its kickstarter ends in a few days, oh dear.

To debate what to do.

 

[Trace]

Wow what a scumbag. Finished reading over it all and it's pretty damning.

I actually am right now supporting this game on Kickstarter, its kickstarter ends in a few days, oh dear.

To debate what to do.

Why would you debate that? Remove your pledge until he comes out with evidence that says otherwise.

 

[Karspankey]

Wow, I would have never guessed he would do something like that. I remember playing games with him on the 360 a lot and still have him on my friends list. I don't know how to feel, but this doesn't seem like there would be a chance that there is something not wrong with this suit. I hope it can be resolved correctly.

 

[Compsiox]

I actually am right now supporting this game on Kickstarter, its kickstarter ends in a few days, oh dear.

To debate what to do.

How is that even a debate. Don't support this crap. After this lawsuit it's probably all going to fall apart anyway.

 

[exemp30]

How is that even a debate. Don't support this crap. After this lawsuit it's probably all going to fall apart anyway.

I get the guy's a jerk but what about the other people I feel like they should still be supported right? What did they do wrong.

 

[Twookie]

wow i used to love criken's vids back in the day

never knew he was such a scumbag

 

[HappyBivouac]

Man, if these claims are true, I've lost a ton of respect for Criken. Pretty big fan of his videos, too.

 

[BronzeWolf]

I get the guy's a jerk but what about the other people I feel like they should still be supported right? What did they do wrong.

That's on him, not the costumer.

Employees are not ransom material

 

[Sheytan]

Interesting that the game started as a University project. I'm fairly certain that means in most cases the game is property of the University (Unless they got the rights back, which that particular article fails to mention). Ironically, the reason Universities do this (At least, my University anyway) is to prevent students from taking legal action against each other when one student tries to run away with the IP.

Either way, not having things in writing is 100% amateur hour.

So in USA a researcher/student at a university aren't allowed to keep patents for their own work?

In Sweden a researcher or a student have the right to patent their own work.

 

[flintstryker]

Holyshit that guy's a complete and utter cunt

 

[BronzeWolf]

So in USA a researcher/student at a university aren't allowed to keep patents for their own work?

In Sweden a researcher or a student have the right to patent their own work.

Patents are always properties of the creator. A game is not a patent, and does not work under the same laws. Rights can be waived.

 

[ebullientprism]

I read this and confused criken and cr1tikal and couldnt believe it.

 

[maxcriden]

Misread the title and got confused and worried for a moment, despite not having a Kickstarter game. XD

 

[ZackieChan]

Misread the title and got confused and worried for a moment, despite not having a Kickstarter game. XD

I'm writing up the complaint against you as we speak. Don't worry, you'll get yours.

 

[PrinnyBomb]

Never heard of Criken, but this dude is real scummy.

Hope he gets seriously burned by this

 

[Dusk Golem]

Left my comment and going to cancel my pledge. Kickstarter creators can't delete comments, only report them and the Kickstarter admins won't delete comments unless they break rules (ie slander, abuse, etc.), so hope it makes some people think on it.

 

[Diancecht]

Jesus. Is every YouTuber an asshat? I remember this kid from his L4D videos, he used make really entertaining and fun videos. It turns out he is just a greedy fuck.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Seems like he had clear malicious intent and sought extensive legal council to plan all of this.

 

[maxcriden]

I'm writing up the complaint against you as we speak. Don't worry, you'll get yours.

Phew. Thanks Zackie.

 

[Xamtheking]

Welp
That's pretty fucking dumb

 

[HappyBivouac]

I read this and confused criken and cr1tikal and couldnt believe it.

Criken's done streams/videos with cr1tikal and Vinny from vinesauce in the past. He also made that ridiculous Nicholas Cage Majora's Mask hack. And he did the best Dark Souls 3 series on youtube. Generally a really funny guy all around. Shame he's apparently a big jerk.

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

what a scum bag, were they friends? everything was so calculated but he fucked up with that email at the end

 

[Kamina]

Is it Criken2 on youtube? The one who made Edward Emberpants?
If so then wow; so disappointed since i loved the Emberpants series 😔

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Is it Criken2 on youtube? The one who made Edward Emberpants?
If so then wow; so disappointed since i loved the Emberpants series 😔

The one in the same, friend. It's a shame to know that Criken is a cold calculating bastard and a sleazy business partner. Hope that Kickstarter crumbles on him.

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Jesus. Is every YouTuber an asshat? I remember this kid from his L4D videos, he used make really entertaining and fun videos. It turns out he is just a greedy fuck.

That's what money (or the chance to make lots of it) does to people.

 

[Froli]

Can't believe Criken is this type of person.

 

[Kamina]

The one in the same, friend. It's a shame to know that Criken is a cold calculating bastard and a sleazy business partner. Hope that Kickstarter crumbles on him.

Wow. Thanks for comfirming. I am honeslty depressed now.

 

[NervousXtian]

I'm sure there's another side to this story, all you have is a statement from the other guy's lawyer.

People really should wait for at-least a response before damning him completely.

 

[Murugo]

It'll be interesting to hear the other side of this. Criken didn't strike me as a bad guy, but who knows.

 

[Dusk Golem]

I'm sure there's another side to this story, all you have is a statement from the other guy's lawyer.

People really should wait for at-least a response before damning him completely.

That is where I stand and why I haven't cancelled 100% (I'll see if they have a response to my comment, ignore it, try to remove it, etc.), but if no response I will be cancelling my pledge before the Kickstarter goes through and raise some awareness of it.

 

[HandsomeCharles]

So in USA a researcher/student at a university aren't allowed to keep patents for their own work?

In Sweden a researcher or a student have the right to patent their own work.

I'm from the UK. AFAIK, everything I made whilst at university became the property of the University. It was incredibly simple to get it back (Literally just had to ask and then they got the legal paperwork) but it would all default to being owned by the Uni.

Maybe it isn't the way it works everywhere, I just assumed it was. Made sense as well due to the large number of group projects and things we worked on. Prevented situations like this from happening.

 

[ZackieChan]

I'm from the UK. AFAIK, everything I made whilst at university became the property of the University. It was incredibly simple to get it back (Literally just had to ask and then they got the legal paperwork) but it would all default to being owned by the Uni.

Maybe it isn't the way it works everywhere, I just assumed it was. Made sense as well due to the large number of group projects and things we worked on. Prevented situations like this from happening.

I believe that each university has their own policy.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Wow. Pretty disappointed Criken is an ass.

 

[Jb]

I'm sure there's another side to this story, all you have is a statement from the other guy's lawyer.

People really should wait for at-least a response before damning him completely.

Right. What we have seems pretty damning but let's maybe wait for his answer before casting judgment. Whatever the truth is this is pretty sad.

 

[UserDoesNotExist]

I'm from the UK. AFAIK, everything I made whilst at university became the property of the University. It was incredibly simple to get it back (Literally just had to ask and then they got the legal paperwork) but it would all default to being owned by the Uni.

Maybe it isn't the way it works everywhere, I just assumed it was. Made sense as well due to the large number of group projects and things we worked on. Prevented situations like this from happening.

Universities here in the US commonly tout their "student entrepreneurs" who spin off final projects into small businesses, so we likely have the same system too.

Now if you're paid by the university as an employee, such as a postdoc or a research assistant (not including graduate students, who are not technically employees,) then it's a completely different ballgame.