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[Marmelade]

This is all wrong. 1080p scales perfectly to 4k. If anything, it looks smoother due to more pixels. Anything between 1080p and 4k will look better on a 4k screen, because you know, the 1080p screen doesn't have enough pixels to output that information.

That's in theory.

In practice, playing 1080p games (PC/PS4) on my Samsung 40JU7000 (that is considered to have a good scaler) didn't look anything like playing on a 1080p native TV.
You could clearly see the effects of upscaling.
It didn't look horrible either and I was also using it as a PC monitor so I was pretty close to it, but still pretty disappointed as I expected more.

 

[Inuhanyou]

PC 1620p max settings TSAA downsampled to 1080p

Render resolution is a little lower in PS4Pro looking at palm leaves. Shadow resolution for vegetation is very low in comparison



Distant shadows are not rendered. Ambient Occlusion seems missing too.


Lighting doesn't affect some assets a mid distance and vegetation lod is lower too



Overall is very good for a console.

Thanks for the PC settings comparisons.

For a 399 unit with a mid range GPU and Jaguar level CPU in it, this is might impressive how close it gets to PC level clarity when downsampling.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I can tell it looks sharper and it seems like the geometry of certain things is better (or it could just be the camera positioning), but it's not really blowing me away as much as it is others. Perhaps my eyes aren't as trained and I'll notice when I get it for myself next week, but yeah I can see that it's better.

I would like to see more direct comparisons in the same exact positioning.

I really think how people quantify the difference is going to vary from person to person. For some, they'll claim it's HUGE, while others will think it's just a bit cleaner/sharper. So you're going to get a varying amount of opinions that have quite the range on how dramatic this is. Let's be realistic here, this is not a dramatic, generation leap or a night and day difference, but it does look better.

Ok guys, I'm really not seeing the difference here, what should I be looking for?

Someone needs to setup a blind test like that 60fps vs 30fps video.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm about to buy a ticket for the #colinwasright train.

I think if someone took 20 shots of different games, mixed them up of being Pro and Standard, and had absolutely no side by side comparison shots, most people would fail to identify all 20 shots correctly.

 

[MaLDo]

Thanks for the PC settings comparisons.

For a 399 unit with a mid range GPU and Jaguar level CPU in it, this is might impressive how close it gets to PC level clarity when downsampling.

Yes. Distant shadows and lod cuts are because cpu. The pro gpu is doing wonders here.

 

[Rodin]

LG 9100? What a great TV... do you know if the wide color gamut is actually supported even if HDR is off? I mean the colors look great on this TV even without, but more is always better right?

Yes, best 1080p TV ever.

You can turn it on from "expert control" (and i believe it automatically activates when you connect your PC and change the HDMI icon to PC to have 4:4:4 chroma subsampling). Colors look punchier (some would probably call them oversaturated), and it would be interesting to know if PS4 games patched for HDR look better with WCG active even on 1080p TVs that support it, despite not being able to display HDR.

This is all wrong. 1080p scales perfectly to 4k. If anything, it looks smoother due to more pixels. Anything between 1080p and 4k will look better on a 4k screen, because you know, the 1080p screen doesn't have enough pixels to output that information.

No, native content looks better vs upscaled. Also sub 1080p content will look better on a 1080p screen compared to a 4K one, where you're blowing low resolutions on 8 million pixels.

A 1080p OLED will definitely look better with 1080p content than the same content on a 4k LCD screen.

Yup. A 1080p OLED will look better than basically any LED TV with SDR content... and will still have some advantages even when the 4K LED displays HDR content (black levels, pixel response time, no blooming, viewing angles, etc).

 

[ArmageddB]

If you can't see it here, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Jeeze ... how close do you sit to your TV!

I can see the benefit for vr where the screen is right in front of your face though.

 

[Obliterator]

Damn that image quality looks CLEAN. I'm for sure picking up a Pro and sticking with 1080p set for the rest of this generation. I'm gonna upgrade to a 4k set when PS5 releases

 

[Inuhanyou]

I really think how people quantify the difference is going to vary from person to person. For some, they'll claim it's HUGE, while others will think it's just a bit cleaner/sharper. So you're going to get a varying amount of opinions that have quite the range on how dramatic this is. Let's be realistic here, this is not a dramatic, generation leap or a night and day difference, but it does look better.

That's true, this is a console to PC level jump. Its the same game, so the results in for many people will be inconclusive.

A lot of people could not tell the difference between 360 shots and high end PC shots of games in comparisons last gen

 

[renzolama]

It looks great, but will it really be noticeable by the average gamer during 60fps gameplay? You can't see motion blur and temporal AA in screenshots.

 

[Trace]

Jeeze ... how close do you sit to your TV!

I can see the benefit for vr where the screen is right in front of your face though.

I sit about 3.5 feet from a monitor. Even at 6+ feet though I could see that on a TV, I'm pretty susceptible to low resolution. Hard for me to play PS3 games :/

 

[vilmer_]

Thanks for the PC settings comparisons.

For a 399 unit with a mid range GPU and Jaguar level CPU in it, this is might impressive how close it gets to PC level clarity when downsampling.

Cerny's been tubthumpin'

I have a titan x for windows gaming and this image clarity actually manages to match it.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

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Why do people always post this? No shit. It's a message board. If everyone agreed it would be stupid.
Such a dumb meme.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I think if someone took 20 shots of different games, mixed them up of being Pro and Standard, and had absolutely no side by side comparison shots, most people would fail to identify all 20 shots correctly.

Of course it would depend on the game since some games have better AA \res etc etc than others .
Games with lower \ dynamic res like FFXV pro will do wonders for when it comes to IQ .

 

[DangerMouse]

Sooooo good! Love how clean it looks.

Can't wait to see some of these in 4K HDR on my screen.

If you can't see it here, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Yup. Looks gorgeous.

 

[Afrikan]

Ok.. thanks to the first post I quoted I know what I'm supposed to look for in the second post I quoted.

Meh...

It looks slightly sharper but does nothing for me. I'm not really a graphics person so there's no reason for me to upgrade. I'm happy for the euthsies who enjoys these types of upgrades though.

Shit...The thought of you going through 8 PS4 Pros. D:

I'm on my 8th PS4. Yup.. 8th.

 

[Backfoggen]

A 1080p OLED will definitely look better with 1080p content than the same content on a 4k LCD screen.

Wow, really. This is a useless argument. It's not about screen technology but about resolution.

That's in theory.

In practice, playing 1080p games on my Samsung 40JU7000 (that is considered to have a good scaler) didn't look anything like playing on a 1080p native TV.
You could clearly see the effects of upscaling.
It didn't look horrible either and I was using it as a PC monitor so I was pretty close to it, but still pretty disappointed as I expected more.

I'm sure if you had a 4k and 1080p same size TV side by side you would pretty much have the same impression.

 

[Ran rp]

If you can't see it here, I'm not sure what to tell you.

even the tiny particles are sharp :/

$400 :/

 

[Inuhanyou]

Cerny's been tubthumpin'

I have a titan x for windows gaming and this image clarity that actually manages to match it.

And to think, this will be standard on Pro for most AAA games. Even if they don't manage 4K, they will be hitting resolutions far above 1080p, and to downsample that onto your screen will finally be prioritizing a high level of IQ not usually seen on console.

 

[Obliterator]

I think if someone took 20 shots of different games, mixed them up of being Pro and Standard, and had absolutely no side by side comparison shots, most people would fail to identify all 20 shots correctly.

Not if you know what you are looking for. There is a night and day difference in the shots in the OP.

 

[icespide]

I think if someone took 20 shots of different games, mixed them up of being Pro and Standard, and had absolutely no side by side comparison shots, most people would fail to identify all 20 shots correctly.

I think the same would happen with PC max settings and console screenshots

 

[ghibli99]

I'm sure if you had a 4k and 1080p same size TV side by side you would pretty much have the same impression.

Yep, the lack of SDE on the 4K makes a big difference, even on 1080p upscaled material

 

[AndyMoogle]

Wow, really. This is a useless argument. It's not about screen technology but about resolution.

I said most likely. And a good 1080p TV will beat a 4k TV with 1080p content.

 

[bobbytkc]

It is a good upgrade, considering there is only a 100 bucks difference between pro and non pro.

But I think if you are an OG PS4 owner, it is not something you need to be overly concerned about.

 

[Marmelade]

I'm sure if you had a 4k and 1080p same size TV side by side you would pretty much have the same impression.

It's funny you should say that because I had (and still have) a Panasonic 42ST60 that was less than a meter away and you could clearly see that one was native and the other not.
And even without a 1080p TV for comparison, it was obvious.

 

[chubigans]

Whoa. Glad I haven't booted up TF 2 yet, will wait for Pro.

Aw yeah next week is gonna be great.

 

[farisr]

I was having trouble seeing much of a difference on my monitor. Switched to my tv, and it was immediately apparent. Damn. And that's just at 1080p.

 

[T Ghost]

Fuck it, just pre-ordered at Best Buy.

Best Buy is paying $120 on trade-in of a PS4 500GB.

Anyone trading in their regular PS4 for the Pro?

 

[Backfoggen]

I said most likely. And a good 1080p TV will beat a 4k TV with 1080p content.

That has nothing to do with resolution then though, but rather other qualities of the TV. So it makes no sense to talk about this in context of the topic.

It's funny you should say that because I had (and still have) a Panasonic 42ST60 that was less than a meter away and you could clearly see that one was native and the other not.
And even without a 1080p TV for comparison, it was obvious.

Could be a calibration issue. I can't say anything about those TVs. From my personal experience 1080p upscaled to 4K is preferable to the same content on a 1080p panel. It gives a better representation of the input because of the reduced SDE due to more pixels.

 

[Inuhanyou]

It is a good upgrade, considering there is only a 100 bucks difference between pro and non pro.

But I think if you are an OG PS4 owner, it is not something you need to be overly concerned about.

It depends on how much the person in question cares about graphical upgrades, IQ boosts and stabler framerates.

 

[Afrikan]

Fuck it, just pre-ordered at Best Buy.

Best Buy is paying $120 on trade-in of a PS4 500GB.

Anyone trading in their regular PS4 for the Pro?

man give or sell it to a family member/friend if possible. $120 :/

 

[Trace]

Fuck it, just pre-ordered at Best Buy.

Best Buy is paying $120 on trade-in of a PS4 500GB.

Anyone trading in their regular PS4 for the Pro?

I sold my PS4 for $290 (Canadian) on Craigslist. PS4 Pro is $500 here so more than half of the way there, not bad for a three year old console

 

[AndyMoogle]

That has nothing to do with resolution then though, but rather other qualities of the TV. So it makes no sense to talk about this in context of the topic.

The only way a 4k TV will ever be able to display 1080p content better than a 1080p TV is if the screen itself is better. Native resolution is preferable.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Of course it would depend on the game since some games have better AA \res etc etc than others .
Games with lower \ dynamic res like FFXV pro will do wonders for when it comes to IQ .

The point I'm trying to get at is without the point of reference, you wouldn't know how it was on the PS4 and what was actually improved with the Pro for most people since like you said, games will vary in image quality.

Not if you know what you are looking for. There is a night and day difference in the shots in the OP.

I don't think most people would know what to look for and I bet even people who did know what to look for would mistakenly get some wrong.

 

[Kelegacy]

Just beat it but will play again!

 

[Kagari]

even the tiny particles are sharp :/

$400 :/

"FFXV as it should be."

 

[visiblemode]

Good to see some images. Hype building for Thurs!

On a side note, TF2 is tempting me more and more. Must wait for inevitable sale...

 

[Nephix]

Looks pretty damn nice!
Have to pass on the Pro though as I'm only getting FFXV this year and already have a PS4. :/

Maybe next year when Nioh and Gravity Rush 2 comes around.

 

[Natels]

Some comparison images from an early user making better PR than Sony.

If they weren't pushing 4K TVs it would be way easier for them to market

 

[sector4]

The only way a 4k TV will ever be able to display 1080p content better than a 1080p TV is if the screen itself is better. Native resolution is preferable.

I disagree with that, I'm familiar with awesome 1080p sets (Panasonic plasma, Sony OLED Broadcast Monitor) but I've never seen anything like 1080p upscaled to 4K on my friends Sony 65" X850C and that's a lower tier model from last year. It's a night and day difference. Even Wii U on that thing is pin sharp and absolutely gorgeous.

I can't say the same for my g/f's Dad's Samsung SUHD 4K TV though, the upscaling on that leaves something to be desired imho, take it however you will though, just one opinion.

 

[Ran rp]

"FFXV as it should be."

i guess i could sell my og ps4 :///

 

[Nephix]

i guess i could sell my og ps4 :///

Just to play one game? Not worth it imo.

 

[HStallion]

Whoa. Glad I haven't booted up TF 2 yet, will wait for Pro.

Aw yeah next week is gonna be great.

Is this from the Batman VR game?

 

[T Ghost]

man give or sell it to a family member/friend if possible. $120 :/

I sold my PS4 for $290 (Canadian) on Craigslist. PS4 Pro is $500 here so more than half of the way there, not bad for a three year old console

Yeah, I'm dead scared of Craigslist. SO many tales of being robbed when trying to sell consoles... But may risk a Craigslist. If any friend or family wants to give me $120, its theirs though. I'll have no use for 2 PS4's.

 

[platina]

I took a PC screenshot at 1080p trying to get closer to the same spot, max settings:

Also took a screenshot at 1440p, which I personally can scale to 1080p, but you won't see this as I see it on my monitor (not downscaled). Note, I get a few rare drops below 60fps at this setting on a 1070:

Looks like the PS4 Pro version is somewhere between those but that's really impressive.

Incredibly impressive given the price point value.

 

[steven28]

Very impressive

 

[ArmageddB]

Is this from the Batman VR game?

Yes.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

It's a bit of a spoiler.

 

[Ran rp]

Just to play one game? Not worth it imo.

You don't understand...

Besides, this would be for every game moving forward.

 

[jabberwocker]

Yes.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

It's a bit of a spoiler.

Now everyone knows batman vr is a rhythm based game. Jeez thanks for spoiling it.

 

[huh1678]

Yeah, I'm dead scared of Craigslist. SO many tales of being robbed when trying to sell consoles... But may risk a Craigslist. If any friend or family wants to give me $120, its theirs though. I'll have no use for 2 PS4's.

Always choose a public place to meet when dealing with CL to be doubly sure(most of the people i've met are quite nice). Also you can try some apps called Letgo, offerup, and 5miles. I have been using Letgo, sold my ps4, spare ds4, and some misc stuff i wasn't using and didn't need now i'm all set for my PS4PRO and 4k+HDR experience

 

[ZehDon]

Fine. FINE! I'll buy a damn PS4 Pro! Are you happy now, Sony?!

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