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Video of a group of black people beating a white person for voting Trump is terrible

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Step off with this generalizing bullshit. You're no better than the far right calling every Mexican an illegal or a Muslim a terrorist.
Fuck off. Seriously. Fuck. Off.

Those people are Mexican not because of their choices but because of how they were born.

Trump supporters chose to support a racist candidate who will put forth racist policies and do nothing to change systemic racism.

I'm not generalizing people based on their skin color or their ethnicity or their gender, I'm generalizing people based on their actions.


Furthermore I already stated that racism isn't always intentionally malicious.
 
There is no justification for this. Those folks should be jailed.

I hope that those also saying that, apply that same line of thought to other threads, notably those related to police violence. Either you always wait for the full story, or you're open to passing judgment on what you see and amending later with further information.

On the latter discussion, is supporting a person that openly spouts racist views without error? What do you call someone that is willing to ignore racist words and policies for personal gain? Is there no shared responsibility?

You're no better than the far right calling every Mexican an illegal or a Muslim a terrorist.

Many of those sentiments were brought up in the campaign itself, from the candidate. Not really far right at this point.
 

fixedpoint

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I think a lot of people understand that there are a Trump voters who don't hate black folks.

It's just that they went ahead and voted for a dude who hates black folks.

Bullshit. There is very little subtlety to this - voting for a racist piece of shit means that somewhere inside you're also a fucking racist piece of shit, despite your inability or unwillingness to acknowledge or express it.

OT, I haven't watched the video (and I won't). You can't fix a moron by beating him or her up.
 

JimiNutz

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Jesus fuck, I just watched this video and then I can't believe the responses in this thread.

"Morons on both sides,"
"I can see how they're upset because they're provoked."

That's fucking ridiculous. WHat is that one guy getting his ass kicked being a moron...? He's getting beaten up by multiple people. And how do we know if he voted for Trump or not...? And even if he did, which is nobody else's business but his own, that's not how you respond.

Christ........ Beyond that, this video will be posted all over websites that look for shit like this, and they'll say, "Watch these young black people beat someone up for voting for Trump, this is what we're fighting against."

People equivocating between voting and assault and battery are disgusting idiots. Where does it end? Should a woman who voted for Trump deserve to be raped in the streets? Or beyond that, should a woman who may or may not have voted for Trump deserve to be raped in the streets? "Morons on both sides."

I dunno if thats a reference to me but I wasn't for one second saying the guy getting beat up was a moron.

I meant there are morons on the right (see the hate crimes thread) and morons on the left (violently attacking Trump supporters).

I didn't mean that everyone involved in that video was a moron. I really feel for the guy getting attacked by a mob. That shit is fucked up regardless of who he voted for.
 
I dunno if thats a reference to me but I wasn't for one second saying the guy getting beat up was a moron.

I meant there are morons on the right (see the hate crimes thread) and morons on the left (violently attacking Trump supporters).

I didn't mean that everyone involved in that video was a moron. I really feel for the guy getting attacked by a mob. That shit is fucked up regardless of who he voted for.

Oh, I see, my bad.
 
Bullshit. There is very little subtlety to this - voting for a racist piece of shit means that somewhere inside you're also a fucking racist piece of shit, despite your inability or unwillingness to acknowledge or express it.

OT, I haven't watched the video (and I won't). You can't fix a moron by beating him or her up.
Well..if you want to view life that way that's your right. But good luck winning any voters to your side if you just call them racist pieces of shit
 

Audioboxer

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I do not know the whole story so I can't throw away the possibility that the person beat down could have went and physically picked a fight with them. There's even the possibility that the whole thing was staged to make a specific group look bad. In order to be fair I am keeping those options open.

Looking at the surface it's impossible to deny the video shows a group of people beating up an individual, while being cheered on by onlookers, over what appears to have been a person who supported a candidate which they did not want elected president. This is not the kind of actions anyone needs to take.

Man I was being pretty facetious when I said actors before, but now....

People don't act things like this out, it's the cold hard reality of how ugly humanity can be. It's not nice to watch, it's not nice to point out, but people are violent at times and sadly that is how it is.
 

E92 M3

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An old man could have died from head injuries and had his car stolen, yet some people still try to play the "what if" game.

Shit is fucked up, yo.
 
May be hard to see from your own perspective, but to a lot of people, racism want the issue in this election.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

But again... is supporting racist policies without error? What do you call someone who does so?

There were many who let slavery lie because it was the rule of the day. Same with segregation. Same with Jim Crow. Do those people have any responsibility and would you call them racist?

An old man could have died from head injuries and had his car stolen, yet some people still try to play the "what if" game.

Shit is fucked up, yo.

It is. We clearly have a video of a man being violently attacked. That is wrong. Full stop.
 

Latimer

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An old man could have died from head injuries and had his car stolen, yet some people still try to play the "what if" game.

Shit is fucked up, yo.

He was also dragged down the road while holding onto his car. Could have easily died tbh.
 

FiggyCal

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There is no justification for this. Those folks should be jailed.

I hope that those also saying that, apply that same line of thought to other threads, notably those related to police violence. Either you always wait for the full story, or you're open to passing judgment on what you see and amending later with further information.

On the latter discussion, is supporting a person that openly spouts racist views without error? What do you call someone that is willing to ignore racist words and policies for personal gain? Is there no shared responsibility?



Many of those sentiments were brought up in the campaign itself, from the candidate. Not really far right at this point.

If you're republican and you're concern is low taxes because you think that's good for the economy; or you're concern is combating abortion because you think its murder; or you think Hillary Clinton is a warhawk and criminal and that's why you voted for Trump. I don't think its fair to call you racist. I've heard a lot of religious individuals who i deeply respect and I don't have reason to think they're white supremacists support Trump because the supreme court is important to them.
 

inner-G

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But again... is supporting racist policies without error? What do you call someone who does so?

There were many who let slavery lie because it was the rule of the day. Same with segregation. Same with Jim Crow. Do those people have any responsibility and would you call them racist?
Whether it's right or not, people are more motivated for positive changes than negative

That's why more people voted 'for' trump than 'against' him

It's the reverse Obama effect - people voted 'for' him because they were energized and motivated
 
If you're republican and you're concern is low taxes because you think that's good for the economy; or you're concern is combating abortion because you think its murder; or you think Hillary Clinton is a warhawk and criminal and that's why you voted for Trump. I don't think its fair to call you racist. I've heard a lot of religious individuals who i deeply respect and I don't have reason to think they're white supremacists support Trump because the supreme court is important to them.

You don't think it's fair, but again, the racist commentary was open and honest. Repeated again and again.

Is there no shared responsibility at all? And when potentially racist policies are enacted, is one still free of responsibility?
 
No it isn't....
Trump supporter doesn't = racist.

Sure some racists probably support Trump but that's an awfully big brush to paint them all when it's half the country.
actually didnt trump win with 25 % of the voters meaning its actually a quarter of the voting population.
 
I dunno if thats a reference to me but I wasn't for one second saying the guy getting beat up was a moron.

I meant there are morons on the right (see the hate crimes thread) and morons on the left (violently attacking Trump supporters).

I didn't mean that everyone involved in that video was a moron. I really feel for the guy getting attacked by a mob. That shit is fucked up regardless of who he voted for.

You've sure changed your tune from the minorities being attacked thread...

The images in the OP are disgusting and Trump needs to come out and condone this behaviour

BUT

This shit is expected directly after election night. Tension and excitement still fills the air and the press will report stuff that day to day would usually be ignored or not given much focus.

After Brexit there were stories of racism and racist attacks and they were horrible to read but guess what...

Few months later and Britain is fine. There is still tolerance, still multiculturalism, still plenty of immigrants living and working happily here in complete safety. Britain didn't suddenly change over night into an intolerant racist nation. Crime didn't suddenly surge and stay at high levels. Society didn't break down. Im confident the same will hold true for America.

Odd that...wonder why you're not so optimistic about this incident but were happy to handwave/dismiss attacks on minority groups.
 
How do you guys know the guy wasn't Hitler? You can't disprove it. How can you know?

Until I get some DNA confirmation, I'll give those lads the benefit of the doubt.
 
So African Americans and the minorities who voted for him are racist...to themselves?

Let's also ignore the fact Hillary helped her husband do more damage to the Black community.... Maybe there's a reason we didn't come out in droves for her....

Bullshit. There is very little subtlety to this - voting for a racist piece of shit means that somewhere inside you're also a fucking racist piece of shit, despite your inability or unwillingness to acknowledge or express it.

OT, I haven't watched the video (and I won't). You can't fix a moron by beating him or her up.

You'd think after this election results there'd be less generalizing and more trying to understand the nuanced reasons why some didn't vote Clinton and chose Trump instead. I know a few people and even some close to me that did that and I'm pretty sure they're not racists.

Now is the perfect time to come on out the bubble and get in the real world.
 

Kreed

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https://streamable.com/6nwo

This is not the way to fight back :-(

Any reason why the thread title is emphasizing the ethnicities of the attackers and the victim? Clearly they are attacking the person for being a Trump supporter and it's terrible as the title states, but is the group being black and the victim being white actually important to this story/the topic being discussed based on what we can see from this video (ex: a hate crime, the victim being attacked because he was white, etc...)?
 
You'd think after this election results there'd be less generalizing and more trying to understand the nuanced reasons why some didn't vote Clinton and chose Trump instead. I know a few people and even some close to me that did that and I'm pretty sure they're not racists.

Now is the perfect time to come on out the bubble and get in the real world.

Again: Is there no shared responsibility at all? And when potentially racist policies are enacted, is one still free of responsibility?
 
You'd think after this election results there'd be less generalizing and more trying to understand the nuanced reasons why some didn't vote Clinton and chose Trump instead. I know a few people and even some close to me that did that and I'm pretty sure they're not racists.

Now is the perfect time to come on out the bubble and get in the real world.

So help a racist into power, give him the opportunity to potentially enact racist policies but throw your hands up and say you didn't have any part in allowing that to happen?

Personal accountability and taking responsibility for ones actions is no longer a thing?
 
If you didn't vote you can't complain.
I agree (They do have the right I should say but that wont stop me from being pissed off at them ) I was pointing out half of america didnt vote for trump infact most of them were probably apathetic democrats if previous election numbers are to go by which in some ways is worst imo.
 

Audioboxer

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If you didn't vote you can't complain.

Of course you can, but you do appear as a bit of a hypocrite. All we can hope is people who don't vote learn from the potential lessons of not being politically engaged. Like one of the only things us ants have in our power is to try and shape the behemoths who get into control of the islands of land we live on.
 

Audioboxer

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92% of black voters could mean 54% or less of voting age black citizens if turnout was under 60%. I havent seen breakdowns of voter turnout by demographic yet.

But not enough African-Americans, along with Latinos, heeded the call.

Some 88% of African-American voters supported Clinton, versus 8% for Donald Trump, as of very early Wednesday morning. While that's a large margin, it's not as big as Obama's victory over Mitt Romney in 2012. Obama locked up 93% of the black vote to Romney's 7%.

Some 12% of the electorate was African-American this year, compared to 13% four years ago. That's a key drop, especially when paired with a smaller-than-expected growth in Latino votes.

This lowered turnout happened even after Trump repeatedly made sweeping comments about how black communities were in the worst shape ever. Referring multiple times to "inner cities," Trump said black people live in poverty, have no jobs and get shot walking down the street. "What do you have to lose?" he asked.

Read: Trump: Black communities in worst shape 'ever, ever, ever

Clinton's support among Latinos was even more tenuous, despite Trump pledging to build a wall on the Mexican border, accusing undocumented immigrants of being criminal aliens and promising to deport them.

Only 65% of Latinos backed her, while 29% cast their votes for Trump. In 2012, Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote and Romney secured 27%.

Hispanics inched up to 11% of the electorate, up from 10% in 2012.

Read: What Donald Trump has said about Mexico and vice versa

Beyond the Obama coalition, Clinton was also not as popular with white voters as Obama was. She won only 37% of the white vote, compared to Obama's 39%. Surprisingly, Trump also garnered a slightly smaller share than Romney, capturing 58% of the vote to Romney's 59%.

White voters made up 70% of the electorate this year, down from 72% four years ago.

Read: White, working class and worried

Asian voters, which made up a tiny 4% of the electorate, were also less supportive of Clinton than of Obama. Some 65% of Asian voters cast ballots for her, as opposed to 73% for Obama in 2012.

Clinton also failed to capture as many young voters, who flocked to her rival Bernie Sanders in the primary and to Obama four years ago.

She won 55% of voters age 18 to 29, compared to 37% who cast ballots for Trump. But Obama secured 60% of these young voters to Romney's 37%.

Read: Donald Trump's trouble with women -- an incomplete list

When it came to women voters, Clinton won 54% compared to Trump's 42%. Even though 70% of voters said that Trump's treatment of women bothered them, they still didn't flock to the woman who could have broken the glass ceiling. Obama won 55% of the women's vote in 2012.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/09/p...en-white-voters/index.html?curator=MediaREDEF

Pretty depressing just how bad Clinton done with minorities, even in the face of everything Trump said.
 

benjipwns

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Of course you can, but you do appear as a bit of a hypocrite. All we can hope is people who don't vote learn from the potential lessons of not being politically engaged.
I don't vote, but I'd argue I'm more politically engaged than someone who just votes every two or four years.
 

Audioboxer

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I don't vote, but I'd argue I'm more politically engaged than someone who just votes every two or four years.

Being active online, and even in real life, is not as powerful as a vote. Your best intentions to spread your opinions doesn't correlate into who gets into power if you aren't voting.
 

BadHand

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If you didn't vote you can't complain.

Strange attitude to have really.

On one hand, if you voted for Trump/Clinton, you must agree with everything they've said, done and plans to do. Therefore, you get tarred with the same brush. On the other, if you didn't vote, fuck you.

Is the expectation in the USA to agree with a candidiate 100% before you cast your ballot? If so, perhaps this is why turnout is rock bottom. Seems as though a large proportion of voters would be discouraged from voting because they don't want to be ostracized/beaten by voting for either candidate depending on whatever communities they happen to live in.

If you think of the 47% of people who didn't cast a ballot as a protest, rather then lazy, it's paints a very different picture.
 
Again: Is there no shared responsibility at all? And when potentially racist policies are enacted, is one still free of responsibility?

I really want to make a thread about this (along with how we deal with racist/bigoted opinions), but I'm afraid I won't do the topic justice.

If you didn't vote you can't complain.

I don't think that's inherently true, at least specifically regarding the presidency. Someone who didn't bother to vote in Alabama or Mississippi because they knew what the outcome would be for their state, I think, still has every right to complain. Again, this is only with regards to the Presidency. Voting on specific state matters is another issue in itself.
 
I know things are frustrating right now but this is not the way to handle things. If anything, this is only adding more fuel to the flames.
 
You don't think it's fair, but again, the racist commentary was open and honest. Repeated again and again.

Is there no shared responsibility at all? And when potentially racist policies are enacted, is one still free of responsibility?

While I agree with you, I think those voters are pacified very easily with Trump saying "I love the black people!" and seeing genuine black/minority voters who support Trump.

So while they elect a racist, climate denier, sexist bully to power, they see their issues that Trump resonates and stands for, and then compromise or rationalize, or just bury the rest.

Hopping on the subreddit, they seem to very clearly welcome Muslims and black people but it's "those Muslims and black people and Mexican (illegals)" that they see as others. Those others are being staunchly differentiated from "Real American citizens", and to them, it's as simple as that.

I have to assume there are tons of voters who also dont go on the internet and just dont engage deeply enough to see how dangerous their vote is. It's upsetting that people are easily motivated by charisma and persuaded by a song and dance. People are not taught critical thinking skills, so regardless of who they vote for, too much of America votes on "passion" and the spectacle of a character. It's ridiculous that one of Hillary's criticisms was that she wasn't passionate enough. It's like they need to be entertained by what they hear.
 

benjipwns

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Being active online, and even in real life, is not as powerful as a vote. Your best intentions to spread your opinions doesn't correlate into who gets into power if you aren't voting.
My voting doesn't correlate into who gets into power either. I'm not that important. You may be different.

I do far more damage outside the voting booth.
 

Audioboxer

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My voting doesn't correlate into who gets into power either. I'm not that important.

Wrong way to look at it. Everyone's vote only counts for "1". Your neighbours vote doesn't have any more power than yours. However what does is if more people like yourself who don't vote actually start. Before you know it, there's thousands if not millions of more votes getting done.

You're looking at it the wrong way and I fear more Americans doing like you are are going to make a hell of a time for America to try and dig its way back out of where its heading. Arguing with people online, or in real life isn't the same as voting, no matter how effective you think you are.
 
This is seriously the worst thing that could happen right now. These guys are fucking scum but to also record it and post it online?

How fucking dumb do you have to be? Pretty fucking dumb.

Dumbasses probably didn't even vote. I'm sure this video of your boys beating up an old guy will help though.
 
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