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But not enough African-Americans, along with Latinos, heeded the call.

Some 88% of African-American voters supported Clinton, versus 8% for Donald Trump, as of very early Wednesday morning. While that's a large margin, it's not as big as Obama's victory over Mitt Romney in 2012. Obama locked up 93% of the black vote to Romney's 7%.

Some 12% of the electorate was African-American this year, compared to 13% four years ago. That's a key drop, especially when paired with a smaller-than-expected growth in Latino votes.

This lowered turnout happened even after Trump repeatedly made sweeping comments about how black communities were in the worst shape ever. Referring multiple times to "inner cities," Trump said black people live in poverty, have no jobs and get shot walking down the street. "What do you have to lose?" he asked.

Read: Trump: Black communities in worst shape 'ever, ever, ever

Clinton's support among Latinos was even more tenuous, despite Trump pledging to build a wall on the Mexican border, accusing undocumented immigrants of being criminal aliens and promising to deport them.

Only 65% of Latinos backed her, while 29% cast their votes for Trump. In 2012, Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote and Romney secured 27%.

Hispanics inched up to 11% of the electorate, up from 10% in 2012.

Read: What Donald Trump has said about Mexico and vice versa

Beyond the Obama coalition, Clinton was also not as popular with white voters as Obama was. She won only 37% of the white vote, compared to Obama's 39%. Surprisingly, Trump also garnered a slightly smaller share than Romney, capturing 58% of the vote to Romney's 59%.

White voters made up 70% of the electorate this year, down from 72% four years ago.

Read: White, working class and worried

Asian voters, which made up a tiny 4% of the electorate, were also less supportive of Clinton than of Obama. Some 65% of Asian voters cast ballots for her, as opposed to 73% for Obama in 2012.

Clinton also failed to capture as many young voters, who flocked to her rival Bernie Sanders in the primary and to Obama four years ago.

She won 55% of voters age 18 to 29, compared to 37% who cast ballots for Trump. But Obama secured 60% of these young voters to Romney's 37%.

Read: Donald Trump's trouble with women -- an incomplete list

When it came to women voters, Clinton won 54% compared to Trump's 42%. Even though 70% of voters said that Trump's treatment of women bothered them, they still didn't flock to the woman who could have broken the glass ceiling. Obama won 55% of the women's vote in 2012.

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/09/p...en-white-voters/index.html?curator=MediaREDEF

I posted this in another topic, but I feel it deserves it's own topic. Such a depressing look at how Clinton couldn't capture votes where it would have counted versus Donald fucking Trump.

Even the white vote dropped from 39% down to 37%.

Bring back Obama...

 

[Buddha Beam]

Lesson here, which I thought we learned in 2004, is that people don't vote against another candidate – they vote FOR a candidate. Hillary's entire campaign was effectively, "Isn't this Trump guy just the absolute worst?"

 

[Ahasverus]

And some are already blaming white people, meanwhile more white people voted for Obama. This "it's your fault, you racist/ignorant/bigot" attitude the left has is what brought us here in the first place.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

We also need to look at voter suppression as a factor.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Lesson here, which I thought we learned in 2004, is that people don't vote against another candidate – they vote FOR a candidate. Hillary's entire campaign was effectively, "Isn't this Trump guy just the absolute worst?"

No, not really. That's just what the media portrayed it as, seeing as how they basically gave almost no attention to actual platforms or issues and instead focused on the most scandalous parts of each candidate

 

[StormKing]

Every single demographic gave Hilary less support than Obama. Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, White people. Yet it is somehow not Hilary's fault that she lost.

 

[teruterubozu]

The "abuela" thing was just so shockingly bad. It set the pandering tone of the entire campaign.

 

[pj]

Man, 29% of latinos. I remember early on election night, there was a latino republican lady on CNN predicting TEENS for Trump in that demographic.

 

[tearsintherain]

I was 100% sure Clinton was going to win and win big due to the grab em by the P comments that was leaked 2 weeks earlier. I just couldn't imagine many woman voting for Trump after that, and all the women in my life told me that Trump was a disgusting pig and no sane women would vote for him.

So to me its completely shocking that 42% of women still voted for him. I thought 10-15% tops, maybe, and that would lose him the election.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Voter surpression first off.


Secondly, it is not up to minorities to save this party. And we tried anyway, despite reservations.

Nah, shift the blame where it is earned. The party, and the people who voted for Trump.

 

[Toxi]

And some are already blaming white people, meanwhile more white people voted for Obama. This "it's your fault, you racist/ignorant/bigot" attitude the left has is what brought us here in the first place.

More white people voted for Romney than Obama.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Seems like she failed with basically every group. She couldn't get people to come out and vote for her like Obama could.

 

[Kathian]

Only 65% of Latinos backed her, while 29% cast their votes for Trump. In 2012, Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote and Romney secured 27%.

For a campaign that targeted the Hispanic vote this is really troubling. Shows how out of touch the Clinton campaign ended up being.

To put this another way - Donald Trump made ground with Hispanics for Republicans. If that sticks then it makes the battle for the House/Senate much harder for the Democrats and also underlines the people who shouted 'maths' were taking minorities for granted.

 

[FZW]

The women vote still makes me smh.

I guess a lot of women would prefer to support a misogynist than a woman for presidency.

 

[Ahasverus]

More white people voted for Romney than Obama.

It's never a good idea to allineate 40% of your potential (majority) ethnic electorate though

 

[Kill3r7]

Percentages are meaningless without context. Did more or less minority voters participate in this election?

 

[Goro Majima]

Lesson here, which I thought we learned in 2004, is that people don't vote against another candidate – they vote FOR a candidate. Hillary's entire campaign was effectively, "Isn't this Trump guy just the absolute worst?"

While I think Clinton had a vastly more defined platform, I do think they were a little too content to often let Donald run his mouth and attack him on his own words. To be fair, the polls favored this approach and I'm not sure if anyone else noticed that it seemed like Trump disappeared on a national level for the week leading up to the election.

For whatever dumb reason, the left has shown that they need to be "inspired" to actually get out and vote....which is why they get their asses handed to them every midterm when there's no Obama to cast a ballot for. On top of that, all it took was movement of just a few percentage points across all demographics to give us this result.

It's like Family Feud or something where you're trying to predict the dumb 3 percentage points to win the game.

 

[ezekial45]

The women vote still makes me smh.

I guess a lot of women would prefer to support a misogynist than a woman for presidency.

Unfortunate, a lot of women buy into the patriarchy. They likely saw Trump's behavior as strong and endearing, and much preferred that over 'her'.

 

[Audioboxer]

Percentages are meaningless without context. Did more or less minority voters participate in this election?

It literally tells you in the first post?

Blacks

Some 12% of the electorate was African-American this year, compared to 13% four years ago

Hispanics

Hispanics inched up to 11% of the electorate, up from 10% in 2012.

Asians, didn't mention previous years just this year

Asian voters, which made up a tiny 4% of the electorate

Whites are obviously the majority of the US.

 

[Lkr]

So minorities are the new scapegoat for clinton's problems? I was under the impression Bernie bros were the problem based on what gaf told me!

 

[teruterubozu]

Percentages are meaningless without context. Did more or less minority voters participate in this election?

What? Less. Did you not read?

 

[Audioboxer]

So minorities are the new scapegoat for clinton's problems? I was under the impression Bernie bros were the problem based on what gaf told me!

There is multiple problems, it's just shocking Hillary didn't knock the minority vote out of the park for those that did vote. It's was Trump... I mean I don't know if America will ever see such a bad candidate again.

Many are looking for a single scapegoat, and fine, if that's your angle make it Clinton. The rest of us will analyse all the problems.

 

[SDCowboy]

I called this before the election. If the female and minority demographics were as anti-trump as the narrative typically pointed to, he would have had trouble winning a single state. It seems that was completely off-base (though obviously still leaning towards Hillary).

Instead, women and minorities voted strongly (relative to predictions) for Trump in larger amounts than predicted.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Voter surpression first off.


Secondly, it is not up to minorities to save this party. And we tried anyway, despite reservations.

Nah, shift the blame where it is earned. The party, and the people who voted for Trump.

And the white dems who stayed home...

Seriously minority support differs by like 1-2% and all of a sudden it's their fault meanwhile white folks break Republican in every election and no one holds them accountable..

 

[btrboyev]

We also need to look at voter suppression as a factor.

It wasn't. States like Wisconsin that now have voter ID laws may have been a problem if there were high minority numbers, but Wisconsin doesn't really have that issue for the most part.

Stop making excuses about minority vote. The fact is many people (around 6 million) that voted for Obama decided not to vote this time.

You can blame that entirely on the party.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

All those numbers say to me is that minorities did their part and the election result is mostly on white voters.

 

[guek]

Every single demographic gave Hilary less support than Obama. Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, White people. Yet it is somehow not Hilary's fault that she lost.

This is what Hillary diehards said would happen if Bernie was the nom >_<

 

[Glass Shark]

I'm not going to even attempt to dictate how PoC vote or anything, but I do find it sad the white and women Dems who couldn't look past fake email scandals and vague "unlikeability" to defeat Trump.

 

[Lkr]

There is multiple problems, it's just shocking Hillary didn't knock the minority vote out of the park for those that did vote.

Is it shocking though? If you were on any site other than gaf it was pretty apparent that the majority of Americans didn't favor Clinton tbh. You can blame this on whatever you want, but there was no "excitement" from the Clinton campaign, the best campaigning came from everyone else at the DNC

Say what you will about trumps beliefs but he actually struck a chord with people unfortunately.

 

[DragonSworne]

There is multiple problems, it's just shocking Hillary didn't knock the minority vote out of the park for those that did vote. It's was Trump... I mean I don't know if America will ever see such a bad candidate again.

She did everything she could do to not get minority votes, well, besides what Trump did.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I posted this in the Samantha Bee thread but I feel it applies here too:

I think blaming white people is stupid. The blame falls solely on the Democrats. Their candidate was so roundly unpopular that she lost an election to a man who had less votes than the last guy who lost. So unpopular that she couldn't leverage her predecessor's high popularity at all.

People are complaining about the graph saying its disingenuous - it's not, at all. Hillary lost because people hate her enough to not show up to defeat a demagogue. Sit on that and think for

People are trying to find blame in some subsection of the electorate, or blaming "white people" for the whole shebang. Trump pulled in less votes than either of his predecessors. The problem is that Hillary is hated so much that voters didn't show up for her. Period. Wrong candidate, wrong message, too many assumptions, few answers. Simple.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is it shocking though? If you were on any site other than gaf it was pretty apparent that the majority of Americans didn't favor Clinton tbh. You can blame this on whatever you want, but there was no "excitement" from the Clinton campaign, the best campaigning came from everyone else at the DNC

Well I knew a lot didn't like Clinton, but my argument to them will always be if you didn't vote then you at least made Trumps run in easier. Democrats bled votes, Republicans stayed around the same votes total they have the last 3 elections.

 

[teruterubozu]

This is what Hillary diehards said would happen if Bernie was the nom >_<

Yup, oh the irony.

 

[Kill3r7]

It literally tells you in the first post?

The Hispanic vote was up. The AA was down. What about Asian participation?

 

[SDCowboy]

So minorities are the new scapegoat for clinton's problems? I was under the impression Bernie bros were the problem based on what gaf told me!

There are no scapegoats. The american people, men, women, black, white, Latino, etc., voted and did so for Trump in much larger percentages than predicted. It is what it is.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I called this before the election. If the female and minority demographics were as anti-trump as the narrative typically pointed to, he would have had trouble winning a single state. It was completely off-base.

Instead, women and minorities voted strongly for Trump in large amounts.

Minorities did fucking not

8% and 29% are not voting strongly if White folk voted at that same ratio or even just about equal between Dem and GOP, the GOP would never win an election...


Like those are blow out numbers....

 

[Lyn]

Quick question. I asked in another thread but no response, and this one seems a little more on topic anyway.

Regarding these statistics, all of this is based on exit polls correct? If so, why are people relying on these still after we have seen just how wrong and skewed the exit polls were to start with? I don't doubt the general makeup of votes in regards to race, but I am seeing a lot of charts passed around on social media detailing a number of demographic factors and I am trying to figure out how reliable they are given that the presidential candidate information was obviously skewed.

I ask this because I have never dealt with exit polls. I voted this year but nobody was being asked how they voted when they left. Maybe it is because I live in a very Republican county and nobody wanted to bother. Anyway, if someone could satisfy my curiosity I would really appreciate it. If the exit polls were not reliable in regards to who the upcoming president would likely be, how reliable is all the other data extracted from them?

 

[Audioboxer]

The Hispanic vote was up. The AA was down. What about Asian participation?

It doesn't, I said that. Only that it was at 4% in 2016.

From here Asian in 2012 looks like 3% - http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

So it went up by 1%, but as the OP states Clinton scored less favourably with Asians than Obama.

 

[theignoramus]

Its up the candidate to fire up the base. Its already hard out there in these streets for Black people, so using Trump as a threat to get us out to vote probably wasnt a great idea.

 

[SDCowboy]

Minorities did fucking not

8% and 29% are not voting strongly if White folk voted at that same ratio or even just about equal between Dem and GOP, the GOP would never win an election...


Like those are blow out numbers....

I'm not saying women and minorities favored Trump. I'm saying there was a higher percentage of them that did than was expected. It was largely made out that Trump would get almost no female or Latino vote, and that clearly didn't come to fruition.

 

[Courage]

All those numbers say to me is that minorities did their part and the election result is mostly on white voters.

Yeah, there was lower turnout in states like WI and MI but then you look at PA and it becomes clear.

 

[Knoxcore]

There was really no collapse of the Obama coalition. Everything was on the margins. A few percent here and there went third party, which cost her dearly.

 

[FZW]

Unfortunate, a lot of women buy into the patriarchy. They likely saw Trump's behavior as strong and endearing, and much preferred that over 'her'.

IMO, thats the saddest part of the whole thing to me. That so many women think that way.

 

[teruterubozu]

Quick question. I asked in another thread but no response, and this one seems a little more on topic anyway.

Regarding these statistics, all of this is based on exit polls correct? If so, why are people relying on these still after we have seen just how wrong and skewed the exit polls were to start with? I don't doubt the general makeup of votes in regards to race, but I am seeing a lot of charts passed around on social media detailing a number of demographic factors and I am trying to figure out how reliable they are given that the presidential candidate information was obviously skewed.

I ask this because I have never dealt with exit polls. I voted this year but nobody was being asked how they voted when they left. Maybe it is because I live in a very Republican county and nobody wanted to bother. Anyway, if someone could satisfy my curiosity I would really appreciate it. If the exit polls were not reliable in regards to who the upcoming president would likely be, how reliable is all the other data extracted from them?

Actually the exit polls weren't much of an issue this year - it was the "early vote" number assumptions that threw everyone off. Plus the outcome didn't jive with regular polling before the election.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I called this before the election. If the female and minority demographics were as anti-trump as the narrative typically pointed to, he would have had trouble winning a single state. It seems that was completely off-base.

Instead, women and minorities voted strongly for Trump in large amounts.

White people made up 68% of the voting landscape.

Every minority voted in majority for Hillary.

 

[Kill3r7]

It doesn't, I said that. Only that it was at 4% in 2016.

From here Asian in 2012 looks like 3% - http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

So it went up by 1%, but as the OP states Clinton scored less favourably with Asians than Obama.

Thanks. Okay so we can say for sure is that she got less votes from AA than Obama did. She did not do as well with Hispanics or Asians but she still could have gotten around the same number of votes as Obama because more Hispanic and Asian voters participated in this election (actually take that back because this might not be true since less voters overall participated in this years election). FWIW, the Hispanic vote statics are mind boggling but partisan voting is a real thing, I guess.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

And some are already blaming white people, meanwhile more white people voted for Obama. This "it's your fault, you racist/ignorant/bigot" attitude the left has is what brought us here in the first place.

58% of white voters voted for Trump. 65% of white male voters voted for Trump then you wag your finger and minorities - none of whom even got close to 40% support for Trump, and tell them "If only you were nicer to white people, this wouldn't have happened."

At what point does the white majority in America, have to take some responsibility beyond not calling black people "niggers" openly in public?

You're a Muslim-American living in Michigan. Your neighbour just voted for Trump but assures you it's because he promised to lower taxes and he does not support anything Trump said about Muslims during the campaign. I'm sorry but that's not much of a consolation prize. There's no gray area here. Your neighbour is a racist. It doesn't matter if he has black friends, voted for Obama in 2012 and eats Chinese food on Fridays with his bowling team.

 

[SDCowboy]

White people made up 68% of the voting landscape.

Every minority voted in majority for Hillary.

I never said otherwise. Again, I'm saying women and minorities voted for Trump in a higher percentage than largely predicted. Especially women.

 

[Boney]

I was 100% sure Clinton was going to win and win big due to the grab em by the P comments that was leaked 2 weeks earlier. I just couldn't imagine many woman voting for Trump after that, and all the women in my life told me that Trump was a disgusting pig and no sane women would vote for him.

So to me its completely shocking that 42% of women still voted for him. I thought 10-15% tops, maybe, and that would lose him the election.

As much outrage that white republicans and the pretended to have about that comment, the public doesn't care enough to condemn him. There were barely any un-endorsements in the first place. Just like Bill Clinton isn't reviled by his electorate despite being impeached.
The pussy comment made an issue helped steer the conversation away from his actual policies and in my mind could have ended up helping him. This would sink any standard politicians that make a living out of his public persona being proper and conservative. Trump has made a living out of being a sack of shit, and trying to win by poisoning his character was an ineffective strategy.
As scandals started piling up, every next scandal was brushed off much sooner than the earlier one. His numbers would dip but then point back up. The Clinton campaign kept insisting on this losing strategy and so were her supporters that denounced Trump for his moral compass instead of addressing head on what deregulation does, what protectionism and manufacturing will bring and what his tax plan would bring. This wasn't being talked about ever. You have to explain to the average joe that he proposes that Trillionaires have to pay the same tax money than people who make $200.000 which is also much much lower than before.
One can stomp all you want on a demographic if the individuals think there's benefit for them despite the allegations, especially moral or character allegations.

 

[Maxim726X]

No, not really. That's just what the media portrayed it as, seeing as how they basically gave almost no attention to actual platforms or issues and instead focused on the most scandalous parts of each candidate

Well, what have we learned here?

People don't give a shit about platforms. Get a likable and charismatic candidate and they win this election.

Article doesn't mention that Dem turnout was down 20%. Cut that by a little, she wins comfortably.