Hey hold up. Mulan ain't a princess.
Disney classify her as one of the Disney princesses I believe.
Marriage counts!
Haven't seen Moana yet but can't wait. I will bring my daughter a Starbucks soon as it opens.
Hey hold up. Mulan ain't a princess.
Just because a company has been consistently good for a long time doesn't mean that they can't ever top their earlier creations. That thought process is just asinine. Your example of Beauty and the Beast joining the pantheon of Disney classics 54 years after Walt Disney Animation Studios was formed proves my point for me.
yea Mulan is the thing that stands out on that list. Not bottom 5 Disney films Atlantis and Treasure Planet
or Dreamworks film El Dorado
Im saying that with 25 years of distance from Beauty and the Beast release, compared to a movie you literally just saw and proclaimed was the GOAT.
Im saying that with 25 years of distance from Beauty and the Beast release, compared to a movie you literally just saw and proclaimed was the GOAT.
Same director though, one of the reasons why I can't wait to see this.
Beauty and the Beast wasn't any less brilliant a week after it came out than it is today. True classics don't take a lot of time to be recognized. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King were all recognized very quickly in the 90's as the masterpieces they were.
If you honestly believe Moana is on the same(actually, HIGHER) level than Beauty and the Beast and Fantasia, I cant stop your premature evaluation. There are people on this website who genuinely think Zootopia is some kind of apex of modern animated films because of something something race/class issues, so IDK. I'll never understand what film you guys saw that elevated them from "good!" to "one of the greatest movies ever created!", but I guess that how that goes.
If you honestly believe Moana is on the same(actually, HIGHER) level than Beauty and the Beast and Fantasia, I cant stop your premature evaluation. There are people on this website who genuinely think Zootopia is some kind of apex of modern animated films because of something something race/class issues, so IDK. I'll never understand what film you guys saw that elevated them from "good!" to "one of the greatest movies ever created!", but I guess that how that goes.
I think it's odd that Disney didn't hold off on releasing this for a bit. It's going to be 2 full years until Disney Animation releases another original property. Yet, they released both Zootopia and Moana in a single year.
Ehh..
I mean, don't get me wrong, I loved the crab and Shiny is awesome. But one of the best villain songs? I immediately thought of Friends on the Other Side and Be Prepared, both of which I'd put way above Shiny as far as villain songs go. Not to mention the fact that they're sung by, you know, actual villains.
Hey hold up. Mulan ain't a princess.
Mulan is absolutely a Disney Princess.
There is nothing timeless about all those purposefully anachronistic jokes. That fuckin Twitter joke sucked right now, much less 25/50 years in the future.
With the exception of one poorly placed Twitter joke, I feel that this movie is an absolute masterpiece.
Disney classify her as one of the Disney princesses I believe.
Marriage counts!
It's hardly ever just you.
I pointed that out literally in the very first line of the OP:
...And "All those"? What do you mean by "All those"? That was quite literally the only anachronistic line in the film. Have you seen the movie, Viewtiful?
If that one 3 second snippet of the film is the only weak point in the whole two hour runtime, I can deal with that.
Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
She didn't get hitched until the direct to video sequel. And Shang isn't a prince.
I think another positive aspect of the film is that it doesn't have a traditional villian. Lots of shades of grey in this one.
It's quiet literally a really stupid chicken. It actually works really well for laughs. There's some self awareness about it, too. "I'm not a princess!" ... "You're wearing a dress and you have an animal sidekick. You're a princess."
I think this blows Frozen and Tangled out of the park, and is superior to Zootopia. I enjoyed Zootopia but it doesn't feel like a movie that will hold up nearly as well as Moana in 20 years.
Uh, i still think a great villain is a neccessary ingredient for the best Disney animated movie, could be all villanious or with shades of gray but with songs and be threatening.There is no main villain unfortunately, but there's an awesome monster crab side villain with one of the best villain songs Disney ever did.
not to be that guy but the movie is barely a week old. calling it one of the all time greats makes me go
I wouldnt consider any of disneys computer animated movies top tier, though they can get pretty damn good.
Lilo and stitch is the last disney movie Id consider to be classic tier.
Hate me, but I think the current DAS output of stuff like Moana and Zootopia is up there with the 90s output.
She didn't get hitched until the direct to video sequel. And Shang isn't a prince.
Basically everything about Maui is an anachronism. He uses modern slang and turns of phrases and self-aware gags(see the OT title) and I feel that cheapens the movie. Clements & Musker's films always do this shit, like the very 90s Robin Williams Genie or Hercules being in a Air Jordan ad and dialing 9-1-1, and I find all that stuff anti-Disney. It encases them in ember, beholden to that particular point in history and pop culture, instead of feeling like a movie that could have always existed barring in mind the technology of the time like Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Dumbo, etc
I haven't seen Moana yet (probably this week) but I have a hard time imagining Lion King being surpassed. I'd say it's legitimately one of the greatest movies ever made, no qualifiers required. And I've always been a huge Lilo and Stitch fan too, so passing that would be a feat as well.That's an odd way to spell Lion King.
I wouldnt consider any of disneys computer animated movies top tier, though they can get pretty damn good.
Lilo and stitch is the last disney movie Id consider to be classic tier.
Son of a general or something, right?She didn't get hitched until the direct to video sequel. And Shang isn't a prince.
JC spitting facts. Fighting the good fight in here.
I haven't seen Moana yet
JC spitting facts. Fighting the good fight in here.
I haven't seen Moana yet and I'm sure I'll enjoy it somewhat but what you said about clements and musker (sp?) rings so damn true. Actually it feels like the case with most Disney movies now in general.
Virtually everything about Disney’s latest fairy tale, Moana, is familiar from past Disney films. The studio is still following the broad parameters it started laying down in 1937, with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, by reshaping a culturally specific fairy tale to fit a family-friendly, accessible template. Once again, there’s a young woman leaving a safe, comfortable home, venturing into a dangerous world, and finding her destiny, all while singing catchy songs about what she wants and how she’ll get it.
All the narrow parameters are familiar, too, this time from Disney’s Tangled. Like Rapunzel in Tangled, Moana (Hawaiian newcomer Auli’i Cravalho) is brave and ambitious, but also naïve and sheltered, because she’s been held back by overprotective parents with their own agenda for her life. Like Rapunzel, Moana defies family to pursue her own quest. And like Rapunzel, Moana seeks the help of a more worldly and experienced man, who holds her in dismissive contempt until she’s proved herself enough times to earn his admiration. The fact that he’s a boastful demigod instead of a smug thief seems almost beside the point: Both Maui (Dwayne Johnson) in Moana and Flynn Rider in Tangled are flashy, arrogant, and headed for breakdowns when they realize the limits of their talents. And they’re both overshadowed by their plucky young protégés, who start out less cocksure and brash, so they suffer smaller falls whenever they hit a crisis of confidence. Naturally, in both films, there’s an animal companion, a lot of bantery comedy, a solemn moment where the heroine has to decide to press on alone, and some big explosive action when she does.
But the familiarity of the formula doesn’t matter nearly as much as the execution. Moana makes Tangled feel like one of many experiments at tinkering with the formula, getting it exactly right. All the beats proceed exactly as expected, but they hit with admirably precise timing, amid a strikingly beautiful landscape where every leaf is rendered with loving clarity. The humor, the wonder, and the awwww moments all hit home comfortably. This is such a perfect execution of the Disney formula, it feels like the movie the studio has been trying to make since Snow White.
Give it a few months and then come back.
Mulan is absolutely a Disney Princess.
She is the best one
Naw. That's Moana, then Belle, then Mulan.
Worst is Ariel.