Principate
Saint Titanfall
Which 5 times sold more than 5 million in Japan
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[NDS] Pokémon Black / White - 2.637.285 / NEW
[NDS] Pokémon Black / White - 772.172 / 3.409.457 (-71%)
[3DS] Pokémon X / Y - 2.096.050 / NEW
[3DS] Pokémon X / Y - 591.025 / 2.687.075 (-72%)
01./00. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} (¥4.980) - 1.905.107 / NEW <80-100%>
01./01. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} (¥4.980) - 422.346 / 2.327.453 <80-100%> (-78%)
Look at the difference in sales between X/Y and S/M compared to the decline in sales between B/W and X/Y after the second week. The decline isn't anything compared to what Final Fantasy is going through.
The Bloodborne bundle was a digital code and wasn't tracked, at least on these threads
Moor-Angol
Banned
Since Nintendo uses Media Create I doubt they're paying attention.
Now we know why. lol
Moor-Angol
Banned
sorry but from those data I can only see how big is the decline from BW to SM, which is more than one million units
but at least I recognise that DS sales won't be replicable, that's the reason I used XY and SM for comparison: same platform, around same time
if you compare DS and 3DS sales probably the only game which is holding is Animal Crossing
but comparing DS with 3DS would be an easy trolling such as comparing Wii with WiiU or PSP with PSV
the fact is : even Pokemon is suffering a declining in sales, actually the only big franchises which are in a good state are the already mentioned AC and DQ (even MH had a drop from the PSP times)
Ignoring the growth Pokemon is seeing WW, you're comparing a 10% drop from the previous main entry to a 50% drop and calling other people trolls lol.
Square2015
Member
Yeah sorry about that.
Updated with the new m-c figure:
PS HW LTD when first FF released. Launches aligned
Dotted line = PS3 vs. PS4 weekly.
PS1 = gray line
PS2 = deep blue line
PS3 = black line
PS4 = aquamarine line
LTD when FF released and FW attach ratios:
PS1 5.0m - 40% !
PS2 5.3m - 33%
PS3 4.3m - 36%
PS4 3.7m - 19%
How would PS4 have stronger first 9 months in Japan in 2017 and what strong titles will be released? Also, December is usually the biggest month for Japan and it is likely to be a decline in 2017.
You are forgetting the 3 biggest titles that's missing from the list - DQ11, KH3 and FF7r! they will sell millions on PS4!
/s
Greninja96
Banned
Nintendo uses media create. When you compare S&M to X/Y, you can see there isn't a decline.
At this time of the year, some games are overshipped on purpose because good sales during the holiday season are expected.
While I agree that Digimom is a mega-bomba and probably won't sell the shipment without slash prices; Kamen Rider and A-Train should be safe and sell through the copies without major problems.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Sure... but according to Media Create, X/Y sold an LTD of something close to this: 15./13. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 4.255 / 4.132.144 (-30%) (last time I saw it chart), which is 300K behind what Famitsu had. I agree it's no comparison to FFXV though (which just dropped 50% compared to its last entry and Pokemon is about legs, FF is about 1st week sales primarily).
They made a game targeted at kids when the actual fanbase is made up of older people.
Hero of Legend
Member
Didn't help it was something barely resembling Digimon at all IMO.
Re:digitize Decode did A LOT better. While its LTD was like 75k IIRC, that's still far higher than this likely ever will be bar a shocking boost in sales due to a tie-in.
These X/Y and S/M comparisons that determine Pokemon LTD just 3 weeks after launch as if its FF have become funny. I guess next weeks they will tell S/M will go over 5m or 6m since it will be so over X/Y launch aligned
This 4th week at Famitsu
X/Y - 137.720
OR/AS - 151.011
and Media Create
X/Y - 162.347
OR/AS - 152.384
It needs at least 2 months of sales that will show where it will end.
As for LTD for X/Y
Famitsu 4,5-4,6m
Media Create 4,2-4,3m
Dengeki 4,2-4,3m
edit: The none game didn't sell over 5m on 3DS is New Leaf. It crossed the 5m mark even before the amiibo update.
This 4th week at Famitsu
X/Y - 137.720
OR/AS - 151.011
and Media Create
X/Y - 162.347
OR/AS - 152.384
It needs at least 2 months of sales that will show where it will end.
As for LTD for X/Y
Famitsu 4,5-4,6m
Media Create 4,2-4,3m
Dengeki 4,2-4,3m
edit: The none game didn't sell over 5m on 3DS is New Leaf. It crossed the 5m mark even before the amiibo update.
Appmon is effectively a reboot of the Digimon lore meant for a time when kids have smartphones, not desktops. None of the pre-existing Digimon have appeared in it AFAIK. The sub-brand itself takes a lot from Yo-Kai Watch in terms of the way it's presented (though, tonally it's more serious), but the game is allegedly very similar in mechanics to the Digimon Story releases.
The retail 3DS title was pretty much the final distinct component of the Appmon franchise left to launch. The toys, the TCG, the anime and the two manga series all came out months ago. I only see that LTD crawling higher because Digimon anime always runs for at least a full year, and based on that sell through, retailers are going to have a tonne of copies on deep discount.
Greninja96
Banned
Famitsu numbers for XY are WRONG for sure. I've just checked Nintendo shipments, and Famitsu sales are over Nintendo's shipment. lol
Nintendo Shipment
Pokemon XY (until march 2014) - 4.37M
Pokemon XY (additional shipment until December 2014) - 90k / 4.46M
Famitsu Sales Top 100 2014 (until December 28th)
11. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 477.496 / 4.454.325
At first you might think numbers are correct because it leaves 6k units. But that's without Digital Sales, and Nintendo numbers are shipped+digital, not sold.
Digital Famitsu estimates:
[3DS] Pokemon X / Y <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} 79.657
Digital Sales are not complete, only tracked the months that XY charted on the Top 30.
So, total minimum sales for Famitsu at the end of 2014 are:
[3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 4.533.982
And Nintendo shipped 4.46M. Wow sold more than shipped.
#Superior tracker
Yeah kinda, Both DQ Heroes games covered most of the fanbase that would buy the console entry of DQXI though, and there should be a big overlap between FFXV and FFVII-R buyers.
KH is a bit of an unknown, it's probably not something that will reach 500k anymore and I don't know how similar are the audiences for this game and the others RPG on the platform (probably very similar again)
PS4 is selling like or even better than PS3 while PSP/DS were both way more succesful than their follow ups so that comparison doesnt make much sense.
FF XV is just under performing, we also know why, stop blaming the "market" for everything.
Dengeki:
FFXV PS4 at 691 031, with sell through ratio at 60%.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/429/1429309/
(There may be other interesting tidbits there, but no time to check out : /)
FFXV PS4 at 691 031, with sell through ratio at 60%.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/429/1429309/
(There may be other interesting tidbits there, but no time to check out : /)
Even with 90% sellthrough the game underperformed hard.
50% sellthrough for Mario Maker by the way, that's a bigger bomb.
Sammy Samusu
Member
As for Famitsu and their continued "Famitsus".
When I started making my database a few years ago and was adding everything I could find bttb had sent me a link with a weekly report. I deleted the link when I added the numbers and didn't give it much base back then since I was still playing with numbers at the time but at that link there was the methodology of how they do the estimates (at least what they were doing 10-15 years ago).
3 different employees gave 3 different sets of numbers.
2 had similar numbers and 1 was from a little to a lot off from the others.
I don't know if they all had the sample for entire Japan, or it was divided somehow at 3 parts but the 3 sets of numbers were equally added and divided by 3.
Even if only 1 set of numbers is off it takes the numbers off. Since then things of course are improved but it gives a picture of what was or is still happening.
When I started making my database a few years ago and was adding everything I could find bttb had sent me a link with a weekly report. I deleted the link when I added the numbers and didn't give it much base back then since I was still playing with numbers at the time but at that link there was the methodology of how they do the estimates (at least what they were doing 10-15 years ago).
3 different employees gave 3 different sets of numbers.
2 had similar numbers and 1 was from a little to a lot off from the others.
I don't know if they all had the sample for entire Japan, or it was divided somehow at 3 parts but the 3 sets of numbers were equally added and divided by 3.
Even if only 1 set of numbers is off it takes the numbers off. Since then things of course are improved but it gives a picture of what was or is still happening.
michaelius
Banned
We are in early December there should be bit better legs for FF XV due to that - lifetime sales should easily pass 1 milion in Japan which is probably better than worst case scenarios after FF XIII disaster last generation.
Easily? With an opening of 695K?
FF is a front loaded franchise.
FFXV might pass 1 million units sold but only on the behalf of a big first shipment and slashed prices.
It doesn't matter how many I see them, I still can't get over the frontloaded sales of X/Y.
How so?
I don't think it could be more obvious.
Sammy Samusu
Member
There's a lot of negativity surrounding Pro, because well, there's nothing really Pro about it.
Scorpio will do fine if it delivers on its promises.
Hero of Legend
Member
I feel Mario Maker 3DS should do fine even if it's only at 50% ST, considering it's the only major Mario release for the holiday season aside from Super Mario Run IIRC. It's meant to be an evergreen title.
Good luck selling a console that has very limited worldwide appeal at a high price. And the pro is exactly what it's suppose to be it's not a new gen.
1st Course
Member
XV is coming off XIII (which had overwhelmingly negative reception), so it was expected that initial sales wouldn't be too hot.
XV has been very well received by both critics and fans, so I imagine it will have better legs compared to the series norm (or at least XIII).
So, try to guess what's the game that is being discounted this week...
Yeah, FFXV! The Regular Edition is at 5980yen and the Deluxe Edition is at 9980yen. There are also quite a bit amount of second hand copies, so this time will be very difficult to sell all the units shipped to retailers. The online retailer Rakuten also has the game at 20% of discount.
Yeah, FFXV! The Regular Edition is at 5980yen and the Deluxe Edition is at 9980yen. There are also quite a bit amount of second hand copies, so this time will be very difficult to sell all the units shipped to retailers. The online retailer Rakuten also has the game at 20% of discount.
Hmm. 90% down next week?
Last December's 3 winners at overshipped bombs at retail were
1. Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs-Force
2. Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival
3. Pokemon Rumble World
We have found who gets the gold medal this year.
I think part of the issue with the Pro is that outside an arguably smaller visual upgrade it doesn't really offer any functional improvements. If you look at similar mid-cycle handheld upgrades like GBC, DSi or n3DS they all gave you additional improvements to the platform beyond just a spec bump, and in some cases improvements that impacted your old games universally (new color palettes, Super Stable 3D, etc).
Either Pro needed a larger spec bump (almost to the point of being new gen) or it needed some additional functional improvements beyond what PS3/Slim already deliver. UHD Bluray could've been an easy one but it still would've needed more.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Well, the whole Appmon line has been targeted at kids rather than the adult fanbase. (And it's been fantastic so far).
It's a shame that the game bombed.
Oh man. Too early to run out of gas.