Reminds me of an excerpt from the book Console Wars that shows Miyamoto (and several other Nintendo icons) being extremely cocky. The context is that Tony Harman took it upon himself to convince Nintendo to let a Western studio develop a game using one of their iconic characters. He wrote up a short manifesto (the required ingredients to make a great game) and sent it to Nintendo. The following is when he arrives at their offices in Japan.
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Larry Bundy Jr: 4 Times Shigeru Miyamoto Was an Asshole
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DecoReturns
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I think Miyamoto just loves the characters he created. Fox, Peppy, Falco and Slippy.
I mean I personally find the Star Fox crew pretty awesome.
If the accused was someone else no one would care.
Well that's fucked up. That's a pretty messed up quote to attribute to Miyahon.
Karsticles
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If this is true, why haven't they sued?
SinCityAssassin
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The Mario 64 argonaut story was suspicious when they said it back the and I continue to doubt it even now.
Star fox is pretty much true though. Donkey Kong Country hate was recently debunked.
Star fox is pretty much true though. Donkey Kong Country hate was recently debunked.
And believing everything at face value is somehow better?
Danis Saur
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I blindly believe the whole jealous toward Rareware thing, it makes an interesting story in my mind.
Who was Miyamoto stealing from during the 80s?
Schopenhauerian
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A previous GAF thread on this subject: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613206
Within the thread, PokéKong points out an interesting exchange between John Ricciardi and Dylan Cuthbert:
BlackBuzzard
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5.Is in huge part responsible for sticker star.
I like that Rare made Donkey Kong a little bitch in 2 and 3 as response to Miyamoto.
I like that Rare made Donkey Kong a little bitch in 2 and 3 as response to Miyamoto.
RomanceDawn
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I don't doubt much of this is true or has some truth to it.
I love Miyamoto but what can I say, you look deep enough into anything you will find something you don't like. Video games are big business and Miyamoto is in the public's eye, of course some some shady things are going to go down.
I love Miyamoto but what can I say, you look deep enough into anything you will find something you don't like. Video games are big business and Miyamoto is in the public's eye, of course some some shady things are going to go down.
Combat Wombat
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I've never been able to find the source of that infamous DKC quote. I'm surprised that rumor continues to live on despite the fact that he debunked the claim himself and worked closely with Rare on the project.
Not really, no. Most of these claims are unfounded, and all of them are extremely one-sided.
Miyamoto has been around a long time and had a lot of interactions with a lot of people, not all of them are going to be positive. That doesn't make him a prick.
Yup. Star Fox Command and Star Fox 64 3D.
Some of the info in the video seems off. As far as I can find, DMA Design didn't go bankrupt following the cancellation of Body Harvest, and they didn't get bought by Gremlin until after GTA released.
Bakkus
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He doesn't state that he liked it either.
They even presented Cuthbert a completed Star Fox 2 ROM. He hasn't been one to speak ill of the company.
It rests on the theory that at best Nintendo had never been planning to do a 3d Platformer with Mario until they saw this prototype. Which given they were making the N64 all about 3d is an.. odd thing to believe. Because Croc and SM64 are such different games that any starting point they shared beyond "being 3d platformers" are lost by the time the game were finished being made.
SinCityAssassin
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One would assume the fact that he refuted the rumor of NOT liking it would give the implication that he to an extent liked it.
RelentlessRolento
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I've had a few well known bosses in the art gallery and art collecting circles that are loved by public but total assholes in their workplace to all under them so this doesn't surprise me.
InfiniteCombo
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No one should do that. I certainly have taken no position on the validity of the accusations at this point.
But (as predicted) there are people that, on the opposite side, are very quick to dismiss any accusations without some critical thinking.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I can't offer any detail without getting someone into trouble, and feel free to disregard me, but I personally would not trust Dylan Cuthbert at all as a source for this information. Maybe Miyamoto is secretly a douche, I don't know, but I'd only recommend thinking so with someone credible giving that info.
DecoReturns
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While I don't buy most of these rumors.
I do believe Miyamoto is a hardass at work. Some of the employees seem to be terrified of him but also respect him.
Where's that bow gif when you need it from E3
I do believe Miyamoto is a hardass at work. Some of the employees seem to be terrified of him but also respect him.
Where's that bow gif when you need it from E3
Aaronrules380
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Miyamoto being a hardass to his subordinates is pretty well documented and he himself has admitted it I believe. That said, the stuff in the videos are all really sketchy rumors that range from already debunked to not very credible
I don't think that was ever in question. That is more or less the consensus opinion from anyone that followed the Iwata Asks articles on the games where he had a significant presence on, as cutesy as they frequently tried to play off his interactions with his team members.
FWIW, if it's any consolation, NathanS's post just above yours seems to contradict that section of the video, and regarding SF, as Platy and others pointed out, it wasn't necessarily Miyamoto's call. (Forgive me if I misunderstood your post, though!)
In the video, it says it's from a March 1995 issue of Electronic Games Magazine.
It's kind of clear that there's a bit of a pattern with these events. The victims are all western (European specifically) in nature. Rareware in Twycross, Argonaut in the UK, DMA in Scotland. Nintendo's never really had good western developers (Only changing in the last decade and a half with Retro and Next Level Games) and even less developers in Europe. Maybe that's one of the reasons why Nintendo failed to really catch on over there? (For certain regions, anyway. I think Germany loved Nintendo at the time, IIRC.)
DecoReturns
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I should really read more of Iwata Asks.
The only time they Mention Miyamoto was during Luigi Mansion 3DS and Majoras Mask, of the few I've read of course.
I mean, the story seems to go that both games were based both conceptually and technologically on the Yoshi prototype Argonaut were making, so without knowing that prototype and what it had in common with each, it's hard to say.
Spyder_Monkey
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No
That is a very good bit of info to know. Thank you!
Candescence
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All four of these rumors are extremely sketchy at best, and honestly rather questionable, and at least one has been outright debunked years ago. Star Fox Adventures in particular is the subject of so many stories and hearsay that we still don't have any idea of what actually happened.
Is it definitely true? Sincerely asking. Some of the posts ITT seem to shed doubt in it, at least insofar as Miyamoto's responsibility for it.
SprachBrooks
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What abhorrent human being with respect to what they did with Star Fox 2. Damn.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Well if you believe this bull shit.
DerekOfTheDykes
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Pet peeve, but while Stan Lee doesn't deserve the sole credit many give him for the characters he was involved in, calling him a thief is just as wrong in the opposite direction.
Also, Stan Lee was often willing to poke fun at himself in comics he worked on as far back as the 60s at least, making out fictionalized versions of himself to be a clueless slave driver "idea guy" while romanticizing his partnered artists as underappreciated and overworked.
To bring this full circle, the reality is that Miyamoto may very well be much like Stan Lee... a visionary who gets a little too much credit by virtue of how many winning projects he was attached to, but still played a large part in reshaping an entire art (just not singlehandedly). The difference is people probably overplay Miyamoto's modesty a bit while pretending Lee is an evil glory hog.
"To whitewash is a metaphor meaning "to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes or scandals or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data""
Godzilla's Left Toe
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The best bosses are hard ass's
Ok, that makes more sense.
Combat Wombat
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That's the thing, I can't find the damn issue! It's in none of the archives I searched through.
omgwtfbentime
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Shoutout if you couldn't watch this video due to really gross Sprite smoothing on his captured footage.
Shikamaru Ninja
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It's an unscrupulous piece. For example, Star Fox 2 had EAD programmers on it and the copyrights are fully Nintendo's. Argonaut only had a co copyright on the FX technology not the individual game program for any of the games they assisted programming.