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Fountain Pens 2k16

I've been a busy boy!

A busy boy, buying lots and lots of pens! :p

That's an interesting mix; have fun! :)

Top is a ruthenium Lamy Lx.

Next is a copper pen I kickstarted. The dude included a free titanium/copper prototype, too! That is the capped pen.

The rainbow pen is another kickstarter find.

Then a Lamy Safari ballpoint.

Finally a brass ballpoint from Y studios.


I'm probably done kickstarting pens for a while. Everything arrives a minimum of 3 months late and the creators of the pens I have ordered always seem to be in over their heads in their updates. I really like the pens I backed, but I'm spoiled by jetpens et al. Waiting 6 months for a pen sucks.

I do have a weakness for copper pens, so I'm sure I'll get sucked in again. :/

The Lamy Lx is an odd beast, as has been discussed. It's a nice step up from the Al-Star - the little details are nice! - but the price point is weird. I think the saving grace is the nice packaging. It comes in a cool matching tube, which I quite like. This pen would make a great gift. People at work saw the little guide on my desk and several people asked about the rose gold model. That seems to be a winner.

So you're an evangelist in real life and on the internet? Tart!

I had to do some training in another department at work, and the guy I trained with - who I have never met - said, "Hey! It's the pen guy!" 700 people work here, but somehow word has gotten out.

(I am also "the Moxie guy" and "the lilbub guy." I guess I go all in on my interests.)

I can think of worse things to be known for! I had no idea about lilbub until I googled it though [lots of mainstream/internet stuff seems to totally bypass me somehow; probably because I'm not into social media. If it wasn't for GAF I wouldn't have a clue about anything that's happening in the world. I'd just be this weirdo recluse with a fountain pen fetish who is growing this 'wild man of the woods' beard] but what an adorable little bundle of fur she is :D.
 

4Tran

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Good :). Lie de The does look like a lovely ink and I'm sorely tempted to pick some up but am trying to try all the inks I currently have before I buy more. After saying that though I do really need more bottled ink....and the bottle has a handy little pen rest! Hm, perhaps I'll treat myself in the New Year. Why don't you try the Pilot? If you're completely out of Lie de The get that as well :p.
I'm still nowhere near finishing any of my ink bottles! The Lie de The was part of my gift, and the only time I ever used it was a bit of testing before giving it away. The difference between it and the Pilot inks is that I'd want to order it online at about 60% of the MSRP whereas I can just pop into my local shop for J. Herbin ink. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but I'd rather not receive any ink shipments in the winter for fear of it freezing, so I'm holding off any ink orders until Spring.

I already have a bunch of other Pilot inks lined up for a decent-sized order: Yama-budo, Fuyu-syogun, and maybe Tsuki-yo and Ama-iro.

I'm probably done kickstarting pens for a while. Everything arrives a minimum of 3 months late and the creators of the pens I have ordered always seem to be in over their heads in their updates. I really like the pens I backed, but I'm spoiled by jetpens et al. Waiting 6 months for a pen sucks.

I do have a weakness for copper pens, so I'm sure I'll get sucked in again. :/
Kickstarting pens seems to be a pretty iffy proposition. It seems most of these pens are being made by craftsmen who aren't familiar with fountain pens so they cheap out with Chinese nibs instead of getting nice nibs from Bock or Jowo. Still they can look very nifty.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
A busy boy, buying lots and lots of pens! :p

That's an interesting mix; have fun! :)



So you're an evangelist in real life and on the internet? Tart!



I can think of worse things to be known for! I had no idea about lilbub until I googled it though [lots of mainstream/internet stuff seems to totally bypass me somehow; probably because I'm not into social media. If it wasn't for GAF I wouldn't have a clue about anything that's happening in the world. I'd just be this weirdo recluse with a fountain pen fetish who is growing this 'wild man of the woods' beard] but what an adorable little bundle of fur she is :D.

I'm still nowhere near finishing any of my ink bottles! The Lie de The was part of my gift, and the only time I ever used it was a bit of testing before giving it away. The difference between it and the Pilot inks is that I'd want to order it online at about 60% of the MSRP whereas I can just pop into my local shop for J. Herbin ink. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but I'd rather not receive any ink shipments in the winter for fear of it freezing, so I'm holding off any ink orders until Spring.

I already have a bunch of other Pilot inks lined up for a decent-sized order: Yama-budo, Fuyu-syogun, and maybe Tsuki-yo and Ama-iro.


Kickstarting pens seems to be a pretty iffy proposition. It seems most of these pens are being made by craftsmen who aren't familiar with fountain pens so they cheap out with Chinese nibs instead of getting nice nibs from Bock or Jowo. Still they can look very nifty.

I'm like Johnny Pen....seed. I cannot help spreading the love for fine pens and paper! And also iconic internet cats (lilbub also lives in my hometown, so there is some local pride involved).

Kickstarting fountain pens really does seem like a huge gamble. You're absolutely right that you need to look for solid information about nibs before considering committing to any pens. You can get something absolutely beautiful but, if the nib is crap, you'll never use it.

[My wife's coworker turns wooden pens in his workshop. I have one that I quite like, but he admits to knowing nothing about fountain pens, so there is room for some improvement in the nibs and components he uses. I need to find the time to go check out his setup and learn how to make some pens myself. I really want to see about producing wooden barrels for Pilot Parallel Pens. I'd love to upgrade my pens, and I imagine there might be a market for Parallel Pen upgrades...]

I feel a little better kickstarting ballpoint pens to use at work. It's Schneider and Parker refills as far as the eye can see. There, you really are just paying for the fancy body. I adore my copper ballpoint pen, although I am spoiled by the click on the 2016 Parker Jotter. Nothing compares to that click.

I finally bit on the pricey but beautiful Andreas Lambrou fountain pen books on Massdrop. The wait is going to kill me! I want to look at pretty pens!

Holding off on buying my first Sailor pen. I'm not a100% in love with the editions I was looking at. I'll see what editions come out in the new year. at $150+, I want to be madly in love.
 

4Tran

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Holding off on buying my first Sailor pen. I'm not a100% in love with the editions I was looking at. I'll see what editions come out in the new year. at $150+, I want to be madly in love.
Honestly, I'd just pick up a Platinum 3776 instead. It's about half the price, and it writes just as well. You'd also be hard pressed to pick up a conventionally designed fountain pen that's as pretty as the ones in Chartres Blue.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Honestly, I'd just pick up a Platinum 3776 instead. It's about half the price, and it writes just as well. You'd also be hard pressed to pick up a conventionally designed fountain pen that's as pretty as the ones in Chartres Blue.

I might have already picked that up. :3

Waiting on pens to ship from Japan is the worst.
 
I'm still nowhere near finishing any of my ink bottles! The Lie de The was part of my gift, and the only time I ever used it was a bit of testing before giving it away. The difference between it and the Pilot inks is that I'd want to order it online at about 60% of the MSRP whereas I can just pop into my local shop for J. Herbin ink. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but I'd rather not receive any ink shipments in the winter for fear of it freezing, so I'm holding off any ink orders until Spring.

I already have a bunch of other Pilot inks lined up for a decent-sized order: Yama-budo, Fuyu-syogun, and maybe Tsuki-yo and Ama-iro.

Oh, I see; that must have been quite hard to part with the Lie de The I would imagine. I think that that sacrifice for the greater good should not go unrewarded. Time you picked up some for yourself!

Well you know what they say: Go big on a Pilot ink order or go home and just use the inks you already have, or something.

Ink freezing though; unless the bottle was over-full with ink causing glass breakage the ink would be okay though, no?

[My wife's coworker turns wooden pens in his workshop. I have one that I quite like, but he admits to knowing nothing about fountain pens, so there is room for some improvement in the nibs and components he uses. I need to find the time to go check out his setup and learn how to make some pens myself. I really want to see about producing wooden barrels for Pilot Parallel Pens. I'd love to upgrade my pens, and I imagine there might be a market for Parallel Pen upgrades...]

I really like the idea of a wooden fountain pen and have wondered several times if I might try making one in a few years. Great minds think alike! :p I have no intention of being the next Brian Goulet though! I like being anonymous too much! The internet is fine [in small doses] but there are people there! :eek:
 

4Tran

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Ink freezing though; unless the bottle was over-full with ink causing glass breakage the ink would be okay though, no?
It's only a problem with a really full bottle and the temperature is very low and the ink is left outdoors for extended periods of time. However, it's a risk that doesn't have to be taken, and these are factors that I wouldn't be able to control. I can control when I place the order though, and that seems to be the prudent choice to make.
 
A week or two ago, I cleaned my kakuno and changed the ink to the first cartridge of a new box of the same black namiki ink. Since then, the ink on the page is lighter and thinner and can sometimes not leave ink for parts of a letter.

Could it be differences a different batch of ink or water damage?
 

4Tran

Member
A week or two ago, I cleaned my kakuno and changed the ink to the first cartridge of a new box of the same black namiki ink. Since then, the ink on the page is lighter and thinner and can sometimes not leave ink for parts of a letter.

Could it be differences a different batch of ink or water damage?
I'd say that the most likely possibility is that there's some sort of clog in the Kakuno, but it's easier to check if there's something wrong with the cartridge. Take another Pilot pen and insert that cartridge and see if it writes okay. If you don't have another Pilot pen, you can take some ink from that cartridge and use a syringe to transfer it to another cartridge or converter and try it there.

If you're not getting any stoppage issues then it's going to be the Kakuno, so disassemble it, take out the feed and nib and clean everything thoroughly. There's also a chance that the nib is damaged - use a loupe to see if the tines are aligned properly and not pinched together.
 
It's only a problem with a really full bottle and the temperature is very low and the ink is left outdoors for extended periods of time. However, it's a risk that doesn't have to be taken, and these are factors that I wouldn't be able to control. I can control when I place the order though, and that seems to be the prudent choice to make.

Right you are.

I just want to say that Eclat de Saphir is one of the best blues I've used. Such a nice color!

It is, isn't it? :) I have just started using it in one of my pens and like it quite a bit.

A week or two ago, I cleaned my kakuno and changed the ink to the first cartridge of a new box of the same black namiki ink. Since then, the ink on the page is lighter and thinner and can sometimes not leave ink for parts of a letter.

Could it be differences a different batch of ink or water damage?

I had a similar, if not the same, issue with all three of my Pilot pens. Usually it would correct itself with continued use. In the end however I suspected that the issue was that water and/or moisture was still trapped in the pen. Once I had googled how to disassemble the pen and watched a video I saw how easy it is to remove the feed and nib and that allowed me to resolve the issue. Watch a video if you would rather but the process is simply to firmly grip the nib and feed end in one hand and the pen section in the other and gently twist them in opposite directions. I found with my Kakuno, Prera and Pluminix that all three came out pretty easily. That has enabled me to thoroughly clean out all three pens and ensure that all parts are nice and clean and dry. Re-assembly is a doddle, the nib slots onto the feed in a very obvious way and re-inserting the feed and nib is just as easy. My advice would be to give this a go. Hopefully that would completely resolve your issue but if not then at least you would know that water/moisture retention is not the issue. Given how easy it is to do this I suspect that Pilot deliberately designed these pens for easy disassembly for cleaning and nib swapping. Given my problems with fluid retention [water and ink] I don't think they intend users to just flush the pens. I think they want them to completely disassemble the pens when cleaning them. Hope that helps and good luck! :)
 
Thank you both very much. :)

In the future I'll try to take it apart more fully to clean it.

My pleasure :). It's worth the minimal effort as it does a far better job of it than just flushing. I was getting ink that stubbornly refused to shift with flushing too so a change of ink colour led to a bit of unwanted ink mixing. Crappy colour ink ahoy!
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Chartres Blue Patinum Century 3776 arrived from Japan! Huzzah! It is so good!!!

Also ordered LITERALLY A MILLION ink samples from Vanness Pen Shop. I went HARD on the Bungubox and Robert Oster offerings. I need to get some pictures and reviews up!

Also expect some reviews from the incomparable CheesecakeRecipe, who is getting half of this haul! :)
 

4Tran

Member
Chartres Blue Patinum Century 3776 arrived from Japan! Huzzah! It is so good!!!
I know, right? On paper it doesn't look as good as some other gold-nibbed pens - it's supposed to give a bit of feedback instead of being particularly smooth, and the nib is designed to be on the hard side. That seems like exactly what people aren't looking for in a gold nib, but it ends up writing like a dream. It's just too bad that the 3776 isn't as well known as some of the other pens out there because it really deserves the exposure.
 
A good friend bought me a Pilot Metropolitan, and I'm very excited to start using it. Subscribed.

First impressions: I'm not sure how I feel about it! After using a .5 Pilot Just Meet mechanical pencil, the Pilot Metropolitan feels so fussy, and the tip is a lot wider than I prefer. Does anyone have tips for adapting to the peculiarities of using a fountain pen? I'm still not convinced it's worth the trouble.
 

4Tran

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First impressions: I'm not sure how I feel about it! After using a .5 Pilot Just Meet mechanical pencil, the Pilot Metropolitan feels so fussy, and the tip is a lot wider than I prefer. Does anyone have tips for adapting to the peculiarities of using a fountain pen? I'm still not convinced it's worth the trouble.
I think that the biggest difference is the paper that you're using. Fountain pen ink is water based so it'll spread if you're using it on paper that is overly absorbent. In some parts of the world, most papers aren't designed with fountain pens in mind, so the ink will absorb and spread. Try out more suitable paper to see if it makes any difference. If you're in North America, good fountain pen paper can be hard to find so your best bet may be to buy some laser printer paper. But make sure that it's specifically for laser printers because all purpose or inkjet paper is designed for inkjet printers and will be extra absorbent so that it dries more quickly.
 

CheesecakeRecipe

Stormy Grey
First impressions: I'm not sure how I feel about it! After using a .5 Pilot Just Meet mechanical pencil, the Pilot Metropolitan feels so fussy, and the tip is a lot wider than I prefer. Does anyone have tips for adapting to the peculiarities of using a fountain pen? I'm still not convinced it's worth the trouble.

Using a fountain pen will require retraining your hand a little in order to use them properly. Unlike ballpoints or pencils, fountain pens only have proper tipping on one side of the nib, which means that you can't twist the pen even slightly while mid-stroke, or you'll lose contact with the paper. I had to take it very, very slowly when I picked up my Metropolitan a few years ago. Being much more deliberate about each movement is really important, which was something I wasn't ready for at the time.

While I did not follow everything on this page exactly, it gave me the basic concepts I needed to understand where I was going wrong, and how to correct it! Writing from the shoulder, as opposed to twitchy hand movements, was the best piece of advice to start with. When we write with ballpoints, we tend to limit ourselves to only a select grouping of muscles in and near the hand, which adds a lot of tension to each movement. The unintended side effect of this is that the pen or pencil twists around, and it's so subconscious that we hardly notice we're doing it. By holding our hand steady, and moving more with our upper arm, the pen moves far less, preventing the nib from skipping.

One thing I learned about fountain pens fairly early on is that it's about compromise - some pens don't work very well on certain papers or with certain inks, writing with one means adjusting the way you write, cleaning with relative frequency... there's a lot to do in order to get the most out of using them, and that's not something everyone is willing to do! Practice writing with your arm as I mentioned above (and be sure to visit the page for a more informative breakdown of it!) and see if you like it. If not, well, at least you learned before you invested in more expensive pens or inks.

Line widths are going to vary from manufacturer and country of origin, so one size isn't going to fit your needs across the board. Ink and paper choice also affect how thick the lines will be, too. It sounds like a Japanese Fine or Extra Fine will be what you're looking for, but that will still spread out considerably if you're writing on cheap copy paper. I have a Pilot E95s in Fine, which writes closer to Pilot's Medium nib size on cheap paper, but otherwise gives a quite thin line on nicer paper like Rhodia, Tomoe River, or Midori. If the Metropolitan you have is a Medium, it could end up looking much closer to a Broad on cheap paper!

The Just Meet 0.5 is a much thinner line than most fountain pens, so an EF will probably be the closest to what you're used to. Luckily, I have both a Just Meet 0.5 and a Pilot Fine nib here, to give an idea of the size difference on quality paper! It's still about double the width, but Fine is as low as the Metropolitan and other lower-end Pilot models go.

Time for a 2017 thread.

I miiiiiiiiiiiiight be holding off from posting a bunch of ink reviews until the new thread comes along, but... I can't say much more than that :3
 
Finally got me one of them fancy pens thanks to OP here. Ended up costing me $30 in total, but hey at least I'll have nice clean writting now.
 
I think that the biggest difference is the paper that you're using. Fountain pen ink is water based so it'll spread if you're using it on paper that is overly absorbent. In some parts of the world, most papers aren't designed with fountain pens in mind, so the ink will absorb and spread. Try out more suitable paper to see if it makes any difference. If you're in North America, good fountain pen paper can be hard to find so your best bet may be to buy some laser printer paper. But make sure that it's specifically for laser printers because all purpose or inkjet paper is designed for inkjet printers and will be extra absorbent so that it dries more quickly.

I'm writing in a Hobonichi Techo, which uses Tomoe River Paper, so I'm actually somewhat impressed by the speed at which the ink dries. As a lefty, I'm painfully aware of ink drying speed, and this new pen has been pretty impressive in that regard. It's nice being able to actually *see* the drying happen.

Using a fountain pen will require retraining your hand a little in order to use them properly. Unlike ballpoints or pencils, fountain pens only have proper tipping on one side of the nib, which means that you can't twist the pen even slightly while mid-stroke, or you'll lose contact with the paper. I had to take it very, very slowly when I picked up my Metropolitan a few years ago. Being much more deliberate about each movement is really important, which was something I wasn't ready for at the time.

While I did not follow everything on this page exactly, it gave me the basic concepts I needed to understand where I was going wrong, and how to correct it! Writing from the shoulder, as opposed to twitchy hand movements, was the best piece of advice to start with. When we write with ballpoints, we tend to limit ourselves to only a select grouping of muscles in and near the hand, which adds a lot of tension to each movement. The unintended side effect of this is that the pen or pencil twists around, and it's so subconscious that we hardly notice we're doing it. By holding our hand steady, and moving more with our upper arm, the pen moves far less, preventing the nib from skipping.

One thing I learned about fountain pens fairly early on is that it's about compromise - some pens don't work very well on certain papers or with certain inks, writing with one means adjusting the way you write, cleaning with relative frequency... there's a lot to do in order to get the most out of using them, and that's not something everyone is willing to do! Practice writing with your arm as I mentioned above (and be sure to visit the page for a more informative breakdown of it!) and see if you like it. If not, well, at least you learned before you invested in more expensive pens or inks.

Line widths are going to vary from manufacturer and country of origin, so one size isn't going to fit your needs across the board. Ink and paper choice also affect how thick the lines will be, too. It sounds like a Japanese Fine or Extra Fine will be what you're looking for, but that will still spread out considerably if you're writing on cheap copy paper. I have a Pilot E95s in Fine, which writes closer to Pilot's Medium nib size on cheap paper, but otherwise gives a quite thin line on nicer paper like Rhodia, Tomoe River, or Midori. If the Metropolitan you have is a Medium, it could end up looking much closer to a Broad on cheap paper!

The Just Meet 0.5 is a much thinner line than most fountain pens, so an EF will probably be the closest to what you're used to. Luckily, I have both a Just Meet 0.5 and a Pilot Fine nib here, to give an idea of the size difference on quality paper! It's still about double the width, but Fine is as low as the Metropolitan and other lower-end Pilot models go.

Thank you so much for this information! I've been reading the provided link and doing my best to integrate his/her tips, and I'm finding that the process is getting easier. I'm still extremely slow, but I'm starting to find the process of learning more enjoyable.

So I can replace the nib on my Metropolitan with the one used in your sample photo? That looks a lot closer to what I want.
 

CheesecakeRecipe

Stormy Grey
Thank you so much for this information! I've been reading the provided link and doing my best to integrate his/her tips, and I'm finding that the process is getting easier. I'm still extremely slow, but I'm starting to find the process of learning more enjoyable.

So I can replace the nib on my Metropolitan with the one used in your sample photo? That looks a lot closer to what I want.

The nib I used is from a higher end model pen, but the Metropolitan is available in Fine, which should give a similar line width! I say 'similar' because it's not an exact science, but it will absolutely be closer to what you're looking for. They do not sell nib units by themselves though, so you'll have to pick up a whole new pen.

Goulet Pens' Nib Nook lets you compare nib sizes using their standardized demonstrations. It seems like the Metropolitan Fine might even be a little bit thinner than the E95s I used to demonstrate earlier!
 

4Tran

Member
I grabbed a pilot metropolitan silver classic design fountain pen with just the regular black ink it came with. I'll probably pick up some cooler ones later on.
My first pen was a Gold Metro! It's a great start, and now five months later, I'm trying to cut it down to 14 or so.

Thank you so much for this information! I've been reading the provided link and doing my best to integrate his/her tips, and I'm finding that the process is getting easier. I'm still extremely slow, but I'm starting to find the process of learning more enjoyable.

So I can replace the nib on my Metropolitan with the one used in your sample photo? That looks a lot closer to what I want.
No, the E95S uses a proprietary nib. The Metropolitan, Kakuno, Prera, Plumix, and Penmanship share the same nibs though, and they're all easily interchangable. Of these, you can find the Metro, Prera, and Kakuno in fine. The Penmanship only comes in extra fine so if you're looking for an even thinner line, that may be the way to go.

Tempted to get another fountain pen but I've enjoyed my vanishing point so much that I just don't feel like I should be spending the money.
What were you thinking of getting?
 
My first pen was a Gold Metro! It's a great start, and now five months later, I'm trying to cut it down to 14 or so.


No, the E95S uses a proprietary nib. The Metropolitan, Kakuno, Prera, Plumix, and Penmanship share the same nibs though, and they're all easily interchangable. Of these, you can find the Metro, Prera, and Kakuno in fine. The Penmanship only comes in extra fine so if you're looking for an even thinner line, that may be the way to go.


What were you thinking of getting?

Always wanted a Lamy 2000 because I've had mostly Lamy stuff before and really like them but I do like the finer points on pens from japanese companies.

I keep eyeing up the montblancs too because they have one in the mall now but it's so much money :(

I think there were others I was eyeing at one point but I've tried to stop looking so I'm not tempted so I'd have to look back.
 

4Tran

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Always wanted a Lamy 2000 because I've had mostly Lamy stuff before and really like them but I do like the finer points on pens from japanese companies.

I keep eyeing up the montblancs too because they have one in the mall now but it's so much money :(

I think there were others I was eyeing at one point but I've tried to stop looking so I'm not tempted so I'd have to look back.
I've been eying a Lamy 2000 as well. The only reason I haven't bit the bullet yet is that it costs twice as much for a Japanese pen that's going to write just as well. Still, I'm going to pick one up eventually.

If you're looking to buy a Montblanc for the prestige factor, then go for it. It's the one company that a lot of people have heard of, so there's a chance of impressing people at meetings. However, they don't seem to be made as well as they used to be, so they don't write any better than some of the nice Japanese pens out there (and the Lamy 2000), and you can get those for about half the price, or less, of a Montblanc.
 
The nib I used is from a higher end model pen, but the Metropolitan is available in Fine, which should give a similar line width! I say 'similar' because it's not an exact science, but it will absolutely be closer to what you're looking for. They do not sell nib units by themselves though, so you'll have to pick up a whole new pen.

Goulet Pens' Nib Nook lets you compare nib sizes using their standardized demonstrations. It seems like the Metropolitan Fine might even be a little bit thinner than the E95s I used to demonstrate earlier!

No, the E95S uses a proprietary nib. The Metropolitan, Kakuno, Prera, Plumix, and Penmanship share the same nibs though, and they're all easily interchangable. Of these, you can find the Metro, Prera, and Kakuno in fine. The Penmanship only comes in extra fine so if you're looking for an even thinner line, that may be the way to go.

Both of these responses are appreciated. I might just go with the Penmanship, in that case. I tend to write small.
 

maven

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Thanks for nothing you guys

Two weeks ago I barely remembered that fountain pens even still existed, and definitely didn't know my hobonichi techo from my rhodia.

Now I'm awaiting delivery of both. And somehow my order for a pilot metropolitan turned into a vanishing point and 2 bottles of iroshizuku...
 
Well my TWSBI ECO had an incident. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened, but I uncapped it and it had a bit of an ink blowout.

Mad props that the thing has a screw on cap with a rubber seal, otherwise I'd have a new tattoo on my right thigh from all the ink.

I think at some point the knob that controls the plunger got a little loose. I recently refilled it and am a bit paranoid about over tightening things, so it might have worked loose from bumping around a little. I managed to clean it up and get it working, and clean up the mess, but it left me a bit nervous. Now I've been checking said knob every time I cap it to make sure it is secure, and haven't had a problem yet.

I also had it filled with Emerald of Chivor, which is a joy to write with, but I was wondering if the gold in it had caused a bit of blockage or something that came loose in an inksplosive sort of manner. But I haven't had any issues since, so maybe it was just the knob.
 

4Tran

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Well my TWSBI ECO had an incident. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened, but I uncapped it and it had a bit of an ink blowout.

Mad props that the thing has a screw on cap with a rubber seal, otherwise I'd have a new tattoo on my right thigh from all the ink.

I think at some point the knob that controls the plunger got a little loose. I recently refilled it and am a bit paranoid about over tightening things, so it might have worked loose from bumping around a little. I managed to clean it up and get it working, and clean up the mess, but it left me a bit nervous. Now I've been checking said knob every time I cap it to make sure it is secure, and haven't had a problem yet.

I also had it filled with Emerald of Chivor, which is a joy to write with, but I was wondering if the gold in it had caused a bit of blockage or something that came loose in an inksplosive sort of manner. But I haven't had any issues since, so maybe it was just the knob.
I can't be sure what happened, but if your piston knob is loose, that's an ink disaster waiting to happen. While you don't have to super tighten the knob, it's best to make sure that it's nice and secure. It's not an overly weak part of pen so you don't have to worry too much about it.

What you do have to pay attention to, is to not tighten the cap too much. The transparent plastic in TWSBI pens is prone to cracking when the cap is too tight, so that's the danger. This problem is less prevalent in the Eco, but it's best to still take care.
 
I can't be sure what happened, but if your piston knob is loose, that's an ink disaster waiting to happen. While you don't have to super tighten the knob, it's best to make sure that it's nice and secure. It's not an overly weak part of pen so you don't have to worry too much about it.

What you do have to pay attention to, is to not tighten the cap too much. The transparent plastic in TWSBI pens is prone to cracking when the cap is too tight, so that's the danger. This problem is less prevalent in the Eco, but it's best to still take care.

Yeah, ya'll have mentioned that before, so I think I was a bit too cautious when tightening down everything. I got it all nice and snug and it seems to be doing a lot better.
 

Treo360

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Never going to open show again. Spent too much on random things. Bought a conklin vintage with a semi flex nib for $50, small but I love the way it writes. Only problem is that there is a bit of nib creep. Also spent $200 on a franklin Christoph 18k italic and god knows what else in inks and paper. Almost bought me a Omega Speed Master and whole table, if it weren't for my wife.
 
I'm thinking about getting a notebook for notes and journaling and stuff, after my girlfriend recently started a bullet journal.

I was thinking of getting a Moleskine, but I was wondering if there were other luxury brands of notebooks out there. What do you guys use?
 

4Tran

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Never going to open show again. Spent too much on random things. Bought a conklin vintage with a semi flex nib for $50, small but I love the way it writes. Only problem is that there is a bit of nib creep. Also spent $200 on a franklin Christoph 18k italic and god knows what else in inks and paper. Almost bought me a Omega Speed Master and whole table, if it weren't for my wife.
That sounds great! You can probably help that nib creep problem by getting an ink that's less prone to it.

I'm thinking about getting a notebook for notes and journaling and stuff, after my girlfriend recently started a bullet journal.

I was thinking of getting a Moleskine, but I was wondering if there were other luxury brands of notebooks out there. What do you guys use?
No Moleskine! I've heard that their paper is getting better for fountain pens, but the problem is that it's made cheaply in China so it has wildly varying degrees of quality control. It's not unheard of for two (or more!) different types of paper to show up in the same Moleskine journal. They're probably still some of the worst paper you can buy for fountain pens.

There are plenty of good alternatives out there: Leuchtturm1917, Rhodia Webnotebooks, Hobonichi, Life. You might also be able to find cheap notebooks with Indian paper at dollar/pound stores in North America or the UK. Some of these are made with bamboo paper, and its water resistance works great with fountain pen inks.
 

dohdough

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I'm thinking about getting a notebook for notes and journaling and stuff, after my girlfriend recently started a bullet journal.

I was thinking of getting a Moleskine, but I was wondering if there were other luxury brands of notebooks out there. What do you guys use?

I like Leuchtturm1917 over Rhodia and currently have a Clairefontaine. Leuchtturm1917 provides more value and works better with iroshizuku ink IMO.
 

CheesecakeRecipe

Stormy Grey
I'm thinking about getting a notebook for notes and journaling and stuff, after my girlfriend recently started a bullet journal.

I was thinking of getting a Moleskine, but I was wondering if there were other luxury brands of notebooks out there. What do you guys use?

Moleskine paper quality is a gamble when it comes to fountain pen use. I've read that they switched suppliers for paper at some point, but new notebooks still have potential for a lot of bleedthrough and other side effects of less stellar paper. That said, they have a very professional look, and are otherwise pretty solidly built!

Rhodia has some competing notebooks that offer the same sense of style and solid construction, but with their own paper instead. Both the Rhodia Webnotebook as well as the Rhodiarama notebooks have the soft leatherette cover and sleek looks that draws people in towards Moleskine's offerings.
 

4Tran

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Moleskine paper quality is a gamble when it comes to fountain pen use. I've read that they switched suppliers for paper at some point, but new notebooks still have potential for a lot of bleedthrough and other side effects of less stellar paper. That said, they have a very professional look, and are otherwise pretty solidly built!
I've heard that Moleskine makes so many books that they have to use a number of different suppliers. And since it's not just one supplier they can't guarantee the quality at all. I've seen some results that are just dreadful - almost paper towel levels of absorption.
 
Thanks for the replies.

That Rhodia Ice Webnotebook is sexy, but damn, it's not offered with a dot grid ruling.

What do you guys think about Baron Fig?
 

CheesecakeRecipe

Stormy Grey
I've heard that Moleskine makes so many books that they have to use a number of different suppliers. And since it's not just one supplier they can't guarantee the quality at all. I've seen some results that are just dreadful - almost paper towel levels of absorption.

I wouldn't doubt it! Thankfully, there are plenty of companies that have greater control over their paper sources and quality control, most of which cater to fountain pen users.

Thanks for the replies.

That Rhodia Ice Webnotebook is sexy, but damn, it's not offered with a dot grid ruling.

What do you guys think about Baron Fig?

To be honest, my experience with Baron Fig has been very poor. They're very good at making flashy, attractive special editions, but that's about where my appreciation of them ends. For all their talk of being community and suggestion driven, their notebooks have gotten worse for fountain pens over the years, and their companion app suite continues to be iOS exclusive - despite ensuring Android users that things would come 'in time'. I hope that, eventually, they become a company that I could support! But, for now, I can only advise to keep an eye out in case they do deliver. I'd appreciate it if they do, because their products are minimal in a way that I love and would enjoy having on my desk.
 

Treo360

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That sounds great! You can probably help that nib creep problem by getting an ink that's less prone to it.

I took it apart (for $50 why not)and reseated the nib feed and nib. Wound up with a little misalignment in the tines after I was done, and a now it writes a bit dry, without being a creep. I changed inks also as you suggested.

Now my obsessiveness is getting the better of me, I have three bottles of private reserve (various blues) and now I read that brand can have bad consequences (mold, particulates etc.)and am mulling throwing them away. Sigh. What's your take on the ink?
 
I wouldn't doubt it! Thankfully, there are plenty of companies that have greater control over their paper sources and quality control, most of which cater to fountain pen users.



To be honest, my experience with Baron Fig has been very poor. They're very good at making flashy, attractive special editions, but that's about where my appreciation of them ends. For all their talk of being community and suggestion driven, their notebooks have gotten worse for fountain pens over the years, and their companion app suite continues to be iOS exclusive - despite ensuring Android users that things would come 'in time'. I hope that, eventually, they become a company that I could support! But, for now, I can only advise to keep an eye out in case they do deliver. I'd appreciate it if they do, because their products are minimal in a way that I love and would enjoy having on my desk.

Alright, thanks.

On another note, I like this pen. It's pretty.

*looks up price*

!!!
 

4Tran

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I wouldn't doubt it! Thankfully, there are plenty of companies that have greater control over their paper sources and quality control, most of which cater to fountain pen users.
Yup. Companies like Rhodia control their own manufacturing process so it's a lot easier to ensure that only quality products get into the market. I have a bunch of Rhodia Dotpads, but I still love writing on some of those cheap Indian notebooks. HP laser printer paper also works pretty well.

Now my obsessiveness is getting the better of me, I have three bottles of private reserve (various blues) and now I read that brand can have bad consequences (mold, particulates etc.)and am mulling throwing them away. Sigh. What's your take on the ink?
I only have a bottle of Private Reserve Spearmint. I've heard of issues with PR molding up, but the color was too pretty to resist - it was perfect for Christmas themed writing. My ink cakes up as well so what I did was quarantine it with a cheap Jinhao. That pen only ever gets Spearmint, and no other pen gets that ink. That way, if it becomes really moldy I can just chuck the pen and ink without contaminating anything else.

Alright, thanks.

On another note, I like this pen. It's pretty.

*looks up price*

!!!
Yeah, Namiki is the upscale version of Pilot and their pens are more works of art than practical writing instruments. They look amazing though. Apparently, the urushi process requires an individual artist to place little specks of lacquer onto the pen. It's a very painstaking process and that's what you're paying for. Like Namiki, Nakaya is the upscale version of Platinum but they also priced crazy high.

If you still like urushi but you don't want to pay a mint, you can get a Pilot Custom 845. it's the highest end Pilot you can get and it's an absolutely amazing pen and it comes with a nib even bigger than the one you linked.
 
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