Yeah they need to add push to talk for the pc version.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Halo Wars 2 Beta Live on PC (12GB) [Up: And Xbox One]
- Thread starter Akai__
- Start date
Yeah they need to add push to talk for the pc version.
mcz117chief
Member
Yeah, it's stupid. Anders looks fantastic in Halo Wars, it sucks so bad that they changed her :////
mcz117chief
Member
umm, why do super units have a time limit? That's a very weird decision.
Not really, they essentially serve a way of holding a point without any real opposition.
Being able to call In an near invulnerable unit at random near the start of a match is hardly balanced
We need VoIP;
On
Push-To-Talk
Off
as options. Shouldn't be too hard for them to implement.
Grunts can take down Kodiak's
They seem unable to fire when close proximity to them
What does annoy me is how Fog of War don't seem to exist for long range units, even when you don't have any units or "real" visibility both them and units like Locust attacks outside the cone of vision which does put them on a bit of "OP" edge I guess.
Yeah she was kinda unique and stood out. While the new model is not bad, it's not my Anders :3
#NotMyAnders
I do really like the announcer additions. Like "Overkill" and all those. Good feels.
They're hard to take down I guess, for the cost.
My issue is balancing, as the Scarab is much weaker than the Condor. I'd like their timer to increase slightly to be a bit more useful.
mcz117chief
Member
Nobody unless they get all the power ups which is their own fault.
Its mid to end game as matches are usually 5-10 minutes.
You might be able to push one out if you save everything, but that's a waste IMO.
My longest match was like 11 minutes and there had been 5 Scarabs and 3 Concords all on the same point during the 7 minute and out.
But even then its pointless to use them outside big team fights, as they're timer is too low.
Scarab also seem to have a targeting issue at random.
mcz117chief
Member
This "blitz" mode reminds me a little bit of Battleforge but with a lot more jank. I feel like the controls are not very responsive. I sometimes have to click numerous times on the mini map to make it move, units react slow especially when using special abilities, most cards have to be order twice for some reason (active and place why?) and some other nitpicks. Not as fun as the first Halo Wars and not as fun as Battleforge.
I've noticed some units "ignore" commands or move along with the big ground even when I tried to split them up. Kinda frustrating at time but a minor issue in Blitz.
If you try to order multiple items, you must wait until the first unit is spawned before you use a card again.
Placing two in rapid succession will deselect the other command until the first is properly spawned.
There are some minor issues, which I hope is limited to Blitz as the unit pathing/command issue could be worse in the other modes if its there.
If you try to order multiple items, you must wait until the first unit is spawned before you use a card again.
Placing two in rapid succession will deselect the other command until the first is properly spawned.
There are some minor issues, which I hope is limited to Blitz as the unit pathing/command issue could be worse in the other modes if its there.
mcz117chief
Member
You actually don't. If you use number keys you can spam cards as quickly as you can click, it's only the mouse that it ignores.
I was talking about some cards needing to be order twice, for example ODSTs, Watchtower or Ark Defence, first to "active" it and second to place it. It's weird.
The Scarab/Condor would have to be more expensive if they were permanent units, keeping them temporary keeps the cost down and lets them be used more in a game type that can be very short and isn't supposed to be about saving up too much money. I didn't play the first beta or look at unit costs from the recent event videos, but I know in Blitz the Scorpion is 110 energy and the Scarab is 300, where as in HW1 a Scorpion is 500 resources and a Scarab 3,000.
Also keep in mind Blitz has free, fast healing on a small map as well, which is more and more useful on larger units. Right now they function as a leader power to control a point for however long it lasts or at least kill a few retreating units. I think it works pretty well and is cost effective in late game fights. You just obviously don't call it in to kill 2-3 infantry units or something.
I'm assuming that is just a Blitz adaption and it is an actual unit in the main game modes though, I would be disappointed if it's a leader power or something there.
Anyway, I'm just shy of level 7 now (faced someone that was level 15, can't imagine how long that took given they'd have no more dailies/weeklies to help) and like Blitz more now that I've got it figured out better. I could see myself playing it a decent bit in the full release, pending actually getting to try everything else and seeing how the whole micro-transaction thing works out. I'm not worried about getting the cards, there don't seem to be that many I think that will be fine.... just not sure about this card leveling mechanic that provides stat bonuses as you open duplicates.
Oh, and they really need to let me choose the keybinds for blitz cards and give back 1-4 to control groups. Even if I switch the cards it still says that key is occupied.
Also keep in mind Blitz has free, fast healing on a small map as well, which is more and more useful on larger units. Right now they function as a leader power to control a point for however long it lasts or at least kill a few retreating units. I think it works pretty well and is cost effective in late game fights. You just obviously don't call it in to kill 2-3 infantry units or something.
I'm assuming that is just a Blitz adaption and it is an actual unit in the main game modes though, I would be disappointed if it's a leader power or something there.
Anyway, I'm just shy of level 7 now (faced someone that was level 15, can't imagine how long that took given they'd have no more dailies/weeklies to help) and like Blitz more now that I've got it figured out better. I could see myself playing it a decent bit in the full release, pending actually getting to try everything else and seeing how the whole micro-transaction thing works out. I'm not worried about getting the cards, there don't seem to be that many I think that will be fine.... just not sure about this card leveling mechanic that provides stat bonuses as you open duplicates.
Oh, and they really need to let me choose the keybinds for blitz cards and give back 1-4 to control groups. Even if I switch the cards it still says that key is occupied.
Aaahhh why does the mouse ignore it
It bugged me so much sometimes.As for ODST its place and select drop pod location (you'll see some white markings for each pod)
Kinda like the powers, select area and then fine select within the circle.
Gonna go out on a limb and say the reason for the drop pod selection is that it will do damage to enemies if you hit them.
They shouldn't be permanent, not like it is right now, 300 is fine but a slightly tweak on Scarab targeting and HP and a slight nerf in Condors HP as well as a slight increase in their timers would be nice.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I must be thick. I can't workout how to play the marine card in the tutorial in Xbox.
It says press A it isn't doing anything.
It says press A it isn't doing anything.
Are you sure you are meant to be playing that card? The tutorial gives you almost no choice in what you do early on, so you must play the card it's asking for at each stage. Playing a card is a case of, holding the left trigger, moving the left analogue stick so you highlight the correct card, and pressing A. You also have to have your reticle over walkable ground.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Very first thing it says is play marine card. I can't though. How would I usually do it. Hold down LT then move to marine card and press a I assume?
When you select the card you must select where on the map to drop it also.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
It won't let me select the card. It just moves between the two on the outside. ODST drop and Scorpion
I was having the exact same issue. I was trying to move the stick left and right to select the marine card, when in fact you have to tilt the stick forwards to select the top two cards.
mcz117chief
Member
I understand how it works but I am just asking WHY it works like that. Just let me spawn them immediately or use my abilities immediately, there is NO reason to click twice.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Yeah just noticed the that. Seems very odd choice of they meant that.
My guess its due to controllers it was left in. I would prefer just to select card and select drop pod location.
I don't mind it, I'd just rather they explained it. Don't think there was any indication that's what you're supposed to do lol
~50FPS maxed 4K in 3v3
Turn something like shadows down a bit and 60 ezpz
Gotta get that 1080TI now, please, nVidia.
What are you using to see FPS in W10 apps? I looked once but didn't bother when it was a a 10 step process to get it to work or a paid app.
Anyway obviously I don't know the exact FPS I'm getting but am happy with the performance, certainly feels like it's around 60 fps in 4K on my 1070 in the mostly 1v1 and 2v2s I played on PC (did a lot of 3v3s on XB1).
Zeouterlimits
Member
Bit chaotic, don't know that the card system is for me, pass on Blitz I think.
I really liked the menu music though
I really liked the menu music though
Gai Murakumo
Member
I feel they need to increase the points to win to maybe 250 because some games depending on your teammates end so quickly.
I don't really agree. Close games take a decent amount of time and walkovers are quick. That's ideal really, no point dragging out a comfortable victory. One change I would like to see though, is for total domination to override time victories. i.e. You should not be able to win on time unless you hold a control point.
Shadows first and then turn down texture quality and other visuals if the problem persists.
I've played a fair bit now - I think I'm Level 6 - and I have to say the beta has restored my faith in the game after the first beta which was truly dreadful. I'm really appreciating a lot of the newer/more advanced control mechanisms in the game, and while the controls aren't necessarily intuitive, they are easily the best console RTS controls I can think of.
As for Blitz, I can't deny I'm enjoying the mode so far, but I'm skeptical as to its longevity due to the fairly limited range cards (in terms of their mechanical variety). Games are already starting to feel quite repetitive, though the fact I'm winning practically every game right now is perhaps responsible for me being able to trot out the same tactics without a great deal of thought. Though the game mode is heavily inspired by Clash Royale, it doesn't capture the sheer importance of each card choice which makes Clash Royale feel intense.
I'm not yet feeling a great deal of depth in the deck building. While it's incredibly easy to build a bad deck, I've not seen that much evidence, so far, that there is scope for unusual decks. I'm sure that will come in time, but right now, it feels easy to build extremely versatile decks.
I'm also not sure about the energy resource mechanic. Collecting the resource pickups isn't just beneficial its downright necessary, it is the mechanic around which everything else revolves right now. Few people seem to realise this yet, but picking up the energy doesn't actually give you extra energy straightaway, it increases (permanently) the rate at which you gain energy. The drops are timed consistently but positioned semi randomly, and at times you can end up at a big advantage/disadvantage purely because the drops favour the positions you happen to hold.
As for Blitz, I can't deny I'm enjoying the mode so far, but I'm skeptical as to its longevity due to the fairly limited range cards (in terms of their mechanical variety). Games are already starting to feel quite repetitive, though the fact I'm winning practically every game right now is perhaps responsible for me being able to trot out the same tactics without a great deal of thought. Though the game mode is heavily inspired by Clash Royale, it doesn't capture the sheer importance of each card choice which makes Clash Royale feel intense.
I'm not yet feeling a great deal of depth in the deck building. While it's incredibly easy to build a bad deck, I've not seen that much evidence, so far, that there is scope for unusual decks. I'm sure that will come in time, but right now, it feels easy to build extremely versatile decks.
I'm also not sure about the energy resource mechanic. Collecting the resource pickups isn't just beneficial its downright necessary, it is the mechanic around which everything else revolves right now. Few people seem to realise this yet, but picking up the energy doesn't actually give you extra energy straightaway, it increases (permanently) the rate at which you gain energy. The drops are timed consistently but positioned semi randomly, and at times you can end up at a big advantage/disadvantage purely because the drops favour the positions you happen to hold.
Yeah I think we're more or less on the same page for Blitz.
It's a nice guide, had a read before I hopped on in.Shameless plug: There's a lot to figure out with Blitz and honestly quite a lot of info that's not immediately evident to players. If you're looking to better understand how things work, check out my guide on Waypoint if you haven't already
Shameless plug: There's a lot to figure out with Blitz and honestly quite a lot of info that's not immediately evident to players. If you're looking to better understand how things work, check out my guide on Waypoint if you haven't already
Do you guys plan on activating Firefight too in this Beta or is PvP everything you will have? Completely understandable if it's not comming.
Shameless plug: There's a lot to figure out with Blitz and honestly quite a lot of info that's not immediately evident to players. If you're looking to better understand how things work, check out my guide on Waypoint if you haven't already
are there more cards in final game?
Shameless plug: There's a lot to figure out with Blitz and honestly quite a lot of info that's not immediately evident to players. If you're looking to better understand how things work, check out my guide on Waypoint if you haven't already
Super helpful! Thanks!
We don't have anything official like that yet but I've seen some stuff popping up over on r/Halo and r/HaloWars (uh can we mention that site on NeoGaf?
For now the vast majority of players are just feeling things out and spamming cards but as people get familiar we'll definitely start seeing a skill curve/gap expand. I saw a pretty good deck/meta video on YouTube yesterday (sorry don't have a link handy atm)Currently no plans to add Firefight to the Beta.
Also @bigDave - what's in the beta is what will be in the game on day one but more leaders and cards will be added over time.
Obliterator
Member
Running flawless with everything maxed out at 1080p on a 980ti. Haven't gone to higher resolutions on it as its not very jaggy maxed at 1080p anyways but I'm very very happy with it
Shameless plug: There's a lot to figure out with Blitz and honestly quite a lot of info that's not immediately evident to players. If you're looking to better understand how things work, check out my guide on Waypoint if you haven't already
Where's our studio tour fix armor lock etc
Obliterator
Member
So what's everyone's play time looking like? I've already put in 8hrs 7 minutes
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
5 hrs 39 minutes here. Decimus is mah boi