Skellig Gra
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And minorities getting screwed have every right to be pissed off at them
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Post-Women's March: white women, working class, and people might need to reflect
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And minorities getting screwed have every right to be pissed off at them
The sign says "White women" voted for Trump, not "52% of white women."
The tweet literally says "Why are you marching instead of..."
It's about the people who are marching, not white female Trump voters specifically.
It's also not hard to understand that divisive shit like this, at a time of strong unity is what's not needed. The blame game gets you Trump and more Trump.
Trojita
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Did you not see the tweets?
53% of white women who voted in the last election isn't a generalization it's a fact.
lol at "Welp 8 more years of trump" comments because of that sign. Calm the fuck down and do some much needed introspection.
This conversation has to be had. It will be had.
legacyzero
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I think the sooner we can get away from mentalities like this before 2018 and 2020, the better chance we have of winning in those elections.
I think Trump flipped A LOT of Dem voters in this election because of that toxicity. So we can't forget that we too can flip voters.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Everyone unable to realize it's not 20 fucking 16 are what's going to sink Democrat's hopes of ever recovering.
If Republicans can fall in line to elect a piece of shit, there's no telling what we're capable of.
But we continue to eat each other alive because lol.
If Republicans can fall in line to elect a piece of shit, there's no telling what we're capable of.
But we continue to eat each other alive because lol.
Volunteering with Girl Scouts pays off again! If my record of reliably voting progressive in every election since I turned 18 doesn't count, I suppose I'll have to settle for the fact that I missed the march due to the cookie sale.
Dumb liberal signs have never persuaded me to stop voting before and they won't now, but man it's obnoxious when the stupid divisiveness is coming from inside your own house.
Dumb liberal signs have never persuaded me to stop voting before and they won't now, but man it's obnoxious when the stupid divisiveness is coming from inside your own house.
Don't disagree. But there's anger, which is understandable, and there's pragmatism. What's it gonna' take to get more of that 40% to actually vote, let alone doing so in an informed and consistent manner?
Blaming white women in general for the actions of a subset of them is the very definition of generalizing.
ElBoxyBrown
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It's important to know that this protest is mainly about WoC. They are the forefront of this movement and that needs to be recognized by not just men but also white women. WoC always get the shaft cuz a white women legitimized a movement.
Really awful and obnoxious thread and tweet about a sign that was tongue in cheek.
47% of white women didn't vote for Trump. That is millions upon millions of them. Instead of attacking the ones who ARE out there marching and voting, spend your time calling your representatives and letting them know you want someone who isn't owned by Wallstreet to run for 2020.
It's hilarious to me how these liberals are so quick to attack other voters instead of blaming the establishment democrats for fucking up so tremendously that now the GOP controls the House, Senate and Presidency.
47% of white women didn't vote for Trump. That is millions upon millions of them. Instead of attacking the ones who ARE out there marching and voting, spend your time calling your representatives and letting them know you want someone who isn't owned by Wallstreet to run for 2020.
It's hilarious to me how these liberals are so quick to attack other voters instead of blaming the establishment democrats for fucking up so tremendously that now the GOP controls the House, Senate and Presidency.
AlexMeloche
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I see the tweets more as a "Congrats, you marched, but now, what can you do to avoid white women from voting against their self-interest in the future?"
Can someone provide a perspective on what the fuck is the point of that sign at an anti-Trump march, other than to shit on white women and alienate allies?
Holy shit. Yeah, we're fucked.
Anyone who voted for Trump and sees that sign isn't changing their mind.
What conversation? "Reflect on you voting for Trump despite you not actually voting for Trump?" I would agree if it was "open a dialogue with white female Trump supporters so they can see how he's harmful to women as a whole," but it's not.
This is the protest equivalent of making the whole class stay behind because quite a few of them were being idiots, saying "you gotta reflect on your actions" to someone who didn't do anything doesn't help anything.
legacyzero
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This is completely untrue. You don't improve from your mistakes without reflection.
Aaronology
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It's not hard to understand how counterproductive this sign is when it's specifically castigating a group of people for what other people in their demographic did. If anything, minorities should know exactly how fucked up that treatment is. I was on a plane back home to Chicago and sat next to a white woman with a Woman's March hoodie on. She volunteered, she donated, she knocked on doors and did everything in her power to stop Trump and was absolutely devastated on the 8th. But there she was, still motivated as fuck to protest. I imagine all the people who flew in from different cities, who drove miles, who took off work to be involved in that March across the country had similar stories. These aren't the people who voted for Trump, so what is the point in trying to guilt trip them over the actions of those who did? Tell me what it accomplishes.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Welcome to the left in this country. Sniping at each other while the real enemy walks on our heads. Wee.
DontBeThatGuy
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It's like how do you see a mentality like that, during all these incredible marches happening all over the world, and not see it as obnoxious/unhelpful? It's shit like this that has me reflecting on my own behavior in the past.
Stumpokapow
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Note: It's not a fact, it's an extrapolation from an exit poll, so it's actually entirely plausible that a majority of white women who voted didn't vote for Trump
You know, people need to stop empowering Trump with this stuff and patting themselves on the back in the process. It's not 53% of white women who voted for Trump.
It's 53% of white women WHO VOTED. Trump mobilized his voters more than Clinton. That is literally all that number shows me because he mostly appealed to poor white people and made no real honest effort to appeal to anyone else.
There isn't really a medal to give out on this one. Sorry. Do better America. No easy punching bags IMO.
Are there a lot of racist white people? Yup. Did they vote for Trump? Yup. Did either not vote or actually vote for Democrats in the past? Yup. We need to get real, Trump wouldn't have beaten Obama.
It's 53% of white women WHO VOTED. Trump mobilized his voters more than Clinton. That is literally all that number shows me because he mostly appealed to poor white people and made no real honest effort to appeal to anyone else.
There isn't really a medal to give out on this one. Sorry. Do better America. No easy punching bags IMO.
Are there a lot of racist white people? Yup. Did they vote for Trump? Yup. Did either not vote or actually vote for Democrats in the past? Yup. We need to get real, Trump wouldn't have beaten Obama.
We live in a time where we all have our own bubbles. In all honesty it's likely that the 47% of white women who voted Hillary have little to no social contact with the 53% of white women who voted Trump. It's not entirely clear to me what this line of argument is meant to accomplish.
But also...
But also...
This.
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Trump may be completely unqualified, along with sexist and misogynist, but lets not forgot that Hilary sent some emails.
ElBoxyBrown
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No one is being vilified. It's about learning lessons from your own people to make sure it doesn't happen again. No one is saying you can't march and be an ally.
TheTylerRob
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It's hard to balance your desire for progress with your desire to be seen as a victim. This stuff just emboldens Trump voters.
Skellig Gra
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When its the majority of the population that's not really generalizing anymore.
Neato_Jinkins
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what the fuck does it mean to "stay home and do the work of BE[ing] an ally" mean? tweeting? is that person legitimately arguing that pithy woke tweets are going to do more good than fucking marching?
Here's the other thing.
This is one sign in a huge sea of positivity.
One sign of bad messaging and we'll probably have 5-6 pages of bullshit and anger over it.
The irony is that this woman is wrongly blaming white women that are at a women's march while others blame her, one single black woman, for Trump getting elected.
Heads out of asses people.
This is one sign in a huge sea of positivity.
One sign of bad messaging and we'll probably have 5-6 pages of bullshit and anger over it.
The irony is that this woman is wrongly blaming white women that are at a women's march while others blame her, one single black woman, for Trump getting elected.
Heads out of asses people.
Code language? Yes, 53% of white women voted for Trump, but what good is there to lambaste the 47% who didn't? Nothing positive can come out of this.
And now we're back to 53% ~= 100% again.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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It's just another shade of the moral absolutism that is leading liberal groups to strangle each other. Agree with every idea they have or you're instantly labeled the enemy.
KO Traveling Hobo
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That tweet is repulsive. "Stop protesting against the misogyny of our society and the president-elect because a bunch of people who aren't you voted for him."
I'm not disagreeing with the problem, but that tweet specifically is gross whataboutism.
I'm not disagreeing with the problem, but that tweet specifically is gross whataboutism.
gutter_trash
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divide and conquer
Air Zombie Meat
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Getting really tired of this allies are the real enemy nonsense. And that goes both ways.
ElBoxyBrown
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Do some of you have a problem when speakers at the march called out men to do better? The same was applied to white women.
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