The Last Wizard
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So like always we gotta coddle the widdle babies?
Funny how minorities and the LGBT get the adult gloves lol
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Post-Women's March: white women, working class, and people might need to reflect
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Funny how minorities and the LGBT get the adult gloves lol
didnt you vote 3rd party?
Introspection is an individual process, how the hell is that going to change the minds of others?
Duane Cunningham
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Yeah... Part of what makes this photo appealing (to some) is that it has such a "look at these dummies with their Uggs and their selfies" subtext. Even though these are literally people who are in fact participating in the march.
These aren't the same humans who voted for Trump. Yes, somebody somewhere voted Trump, then also marched like a poser, but they're vast exceptions.
(note that the sign itself wasn't necessarily created in that context, but the way the snapshot is framed and part of what lends to its appeal IS that.)
Something isn't adding up, though. The Women's March is important for several obvious reasons, but getting lost in this focus on the Trump administration is introspection of ourselves and fellow Americans.
Trump getting more than half of the white woman vote is such a stunning outcome that calls into question what the priorities of the electorate are, and it's important we have these discussions. Because this particular voting block was sizable enough to make a real difference in the election.
DontBeThatGuy
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You're probably thinking about Diablos or some shit like that.
Unspeakable Evil
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Wow this really become a #notallwhitewomen thing could thing...
ElBoxyBrown
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https://twitter.com/mstharrington/status/823190136200593408
It's really not that hard to understand.
Maintenance
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And if you say that you get told "what, do you expect me to talk to racists?"
You should feel bad that people with your skin color voted for trump. It's some dumb shit.
I don't think it's my responsibility to go out and yell at hispanics who voted for trump. I don't even know any! But some did I guess and I should reflect on that? OK, sure.
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Nvm I understand nobody is asking me to do that. I am struggling to understand what this type of message achieves from a practical standpoint. I think the message might be a little too complex for a protest sign.
Skellig Gra
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cubicle47b
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If someone generalizes a group you're a part of in a negative way just ignore it. Don't forget you're one of the good ones.
We're talking about something that is a fact as opposed to a subject that crops up the moment a terrorist attack occurs or murder of a minority.
The majority of White voters voted for Trump, that includes white women. Either you can grow from that or you can take it as an affront to your sensibilities.
I'm waiting for you to address my post but looks like you'd rather just resort to snark.
DontBeThatGuy
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I've seen this with my family, although I did manage to sway my mother from doing that shit, starting with Obama.
blu
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Are you being intentionally obtuse? Or you sincerely don't know what 'generalization' means? Because that banner is a textbook example of one.
Trump didn't win because white people had their feelings hurt. That's just ridiculous.
Who is saying this?
The Last Wizard
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Definitely was part of the reason he won.
Can't tell if sarcasm or not.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I believe the poster's argument is a manifestation of anger and anxiety, not something rationally grounded in considering either the composition of the marches, or the link between voting and protesting, or the consequences of not voting in most places.
If the revised argument is that people who can legally vote and live in states that are likely to be competitive but didn't vote should still be allowed and encouraged to protest but also reminded to vote because voting and protesting both serve a purpose, then sure, I agree, but that seems to me to be such a boring and trivial argument no one would make it.
fart town usa
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Just read off-topic gaf for a few days. The infighting here among the Left is insane at times. In many threads you're either a part of the solution or a part of the problem. No gray area whatsoever. And make sure you show receipts, but only of the kind that the person asking approves of.
benicillin
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The march was a positive event and we shouldn't concentrate on small pockets of understandable but misguided negativity like this.
The Salt Life
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I don't get how that helps at all, if I just marched all day to stand up against a president that is also going to do you harm, and I read a comment like that, I would be pretty bent. Especially would think twice about going out there to protest again that's for sure.
I guess I should be fighting more with my brother who voted for Trump.
Sorry guys.
Using words and phrases one wouldn't be surprised if they heard coming from a bully isn't a good way to get people more enamored with your cause. All it does is push moderates further away and make it harder for people who support you to do so.
Yuuuup
Yeah, I don't get it. Like, the reason any sane, decent person talks about things like white privilege is because we don't want anyone racially profiled, not because we want everyone racially profiled. This isn't a race to the bottom.
ZackieChan
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Yep. That's exactly what I said. Good job.
Logic like that in the OP is what worked for Trump.
Some Muslims are bad...so ban them all!
Some Mexicans are rapists (but not the good ones)...so build that wall!
Divide and conquer works. Get groups to focus on blind hate and they can't unite to fight for a common good.
plagiarize
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Watching the number of women commenting extremely negatively on the marches this weekend was a solid reminder for me that the majority of white women voted Trump.
I think the purpose of minorities pointing this out, is in no small part to remind their white sisters who marched with them, that they have a far better shot of talking to the white women that weren't there, the white female Trump voters, and being heard, than any female minority has.
My wife, has embraced this herself. She sees her privilege as a responsibility. Some of our family criticized her for marching asking her 'what rights don't you have?' and she's been pointing out that she is marching for the people that *don't* have it as good as she does.
TLDR: Liberal white women should talk to the bigoted white women, because they have a much better shot of being heard than minority women do.
I think the purpose of minorities pointing this out, is in no small part to remind their white sisters who marched with them, that they have a far better shot of talking to the white women that weren't there, the white female Trump voters, and being heard, than any female minority has.
My wife, has embraced this herself. She sees her privilege as a responsibility. Some of our family criticized her for marching asking her 'what rights don't you have?' and she's been pointing out that she is marching for the people that *don't* have it as good as she does.
TLDR: Liberal white women should talk to the bigoted white women, because they have a much better shot of being heard than minority women do.
Lol you are in complete denial if you think the constant attacking of other progressives because they aren't in lockstep with you 100% had no effect
Just look at how hard liberals attacked Bernie supporters and Bernie himself, aka the only democratic candidate who was actually fighting for the economic leftist cause.
It's legitimately disheartening if you think those are the only two reactions you can have to that information. Especially in light of the state of the fucking world.
Seriously
Christians went harder for Trump, especially evangelicals. Maybe Christians should look in the mirror and we can leave women as a whole alone?
If a woman's whiteness is relevant enough to prompt a "look in the mirror", I think people who associate themselves, by choice, with a group that supports Trump in even greater numbers should be called to "self-reflect" first.
If a woman's whiteness is relevant enough to prompt a "look in the mirror", I think people who associate themselves, by choice, with a group that supports Trump in even greater numbers should be called to "self-reflect" first.
ZackieChan
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Except...this seems to be happening internally. It's counterproductive.
Trojita
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Who? Anecdotal?
Well then by all means enlighten as to what you meant.
While internet arguments can be exercises in ego stroking, there have been plenty of productive conversations in the wake of the election. Debate is healthy, especially among like minds.
Duane Cunningham
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Just LOOK at her with her blond hair and her wine glass. It's no surprise that behind the scenes, she's just like all those Fox News bimbos she resembles! They're all the same, I tell you!
Dash_Riprock
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Liberals really are their own worst enemy. For God's sake...
Exactly. And all of this happening at a time when the Democratic Party is the weakest and most irrelevant it has been in a fucking generation. You'd think this would be exactly the time where people would look inwards and admit that "hey maybe this isn't helpful"
plagiarize
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Practice what you preach. The bolded attitude is *just* as dismissive of other progressives as what you're complaining about.
fart town usa
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And I was never a 'Bernie Bro', just merely someone who recognizes the shortcomings of the Democratic Party.
Yes, the Hillary vs. Bernie Bro* threads made it clear.
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