Yeah, as a huge fan of Pillars I'm considering backing this but getting concerned with so many disliking fig. What's the issue with fig compared with KS?
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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire announced (Polygon embargo break?)
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Yeah, as a huge fan of Pillars I'm considering backing this but getting concerned with so many disliking fig. What's the issue with fig compared with KS?
poppedcollar69
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I wonder how it'll work if you got poe1 but not the xpacs
Yeah. Eder, Pallegina, Aloth
It had to work out some issues with individuals who weren't accredited investors actually investing, but I think that's over with now. In terms of just Kickstarter-style pledging there's no real difference outside of people not wanting to deal with another platform I think.
Chobel
Member
Oh shit, you're right.
Wasteland 3 had some physical rewards.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Aloth captured a Talonflame
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
Whoops, someone spilled the beans out of the cat bag. Surprise...
TatteredHat
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Could not enjoy PoE 1, but I'm glad to see Obsidian doing well. Hope this is a success for them.
Obliterator
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Never played POE but goodness is this what it looks like in-game? Because that is gorgeous
Never played POE but goodness is this what it looks like in-game? Because that is gorgeous
Yep, Prerendered backgrounds ftw
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The end boss of that dungeon is goddamn ridiculous.
Damn, sounding good. Except for the part about it being published 12 hours early. LOL!
Hahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahahaha.
There's no issue with Fig compared to KS when it comes to KS-style pledging.
If anything, I'd rather pledge on Fig, given that the developers see more of my money compared to KS.
Oh, and I'm in of course.
I can understand being skeptical regarding the managerial competence of fig itself, given that a) it's role is more involved than kickstarter's as they are acting more like a publisher, and b) the whole SEC approval issue last year was a bit of a fiasco.
But some people seem to think that this is some sort of fly-by-night operation out to scam people, which makes absolutely no sense. The people on the advisory board need the money from Fig for their own companies to make their goddamn games, so they have every incentive to make good on any commitments.
Tertullian
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Damn, I really need to get back to Pillars.
About time they officially start talking about it. Sawyer's been dancing around the topic for months now.
Premise sounds cool and Deadfire seems like an awesome place from its descriptions. I just really hope they nail the story this time around. PoE1 was fine but too scatterbrained in that regard.
Premise sounds cool and Deadfire seems like an awesome place from its descriptions. I just really hope they nail the story this time around. PoE1 was fine but too scatterbrained in that regard.
Yes!
I think that was kind of to be expected from the first-wave of crowd-funded RPGs. Developing for an RPG, especially some of the more complex ones, is a significant undertaking. Not to mention, there is a lot to learn from older RPGs that has been lost in modern examples. This year marks the start of the second-wave of crowd-funded RPGs, and should hopefully show the fruits of the experience learned.
CecilRousso
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The way Avellone is retweeting every news source he can find about this, makes it seem like he's very happy that Obsidians "suprise" was announced before it was intended.
His Majesty
Banned
Let's hope they significantly expand on some of the game's systems. While Pillars was a fine opening act, I couldn't help but feel let down in some aspects (story, c&c, combat).
There is no concern or valid scepticism in this case. There might be if we're talking about some indie dev using Fig and you don't trust the people running Fig. But Obsidian is one of the stakeholders in Fig. They are part of the group. Anyone who doesn't trust Fig, essentially doesn't trust Obsidian either, so better not pledge I guess!
Do we... actually know this? Obsidian's CEO is on Fig's advisory board, but does Obsidian itself have any official financial stake in the company? Are they, or just Feargus himself, part-owners of Fig? It's not clear what it actually means in practice to be on an advisory board.
Fig describes itself as being in charge of "providing development advances", which makes it sound like they won't necessarily deliver the money to Obsidian all at once in a lump sum the way Kickstarter would. So in theory there is room for Fig itself to screw things up somehow, independently of Obsidian. Not that I think this is particularly likely!
Maybe someone who has actually dug through the SEC filings and better understands how Fig actually operates can clarify.
I'm in. I loved Pillars and hopefully they can expand on the game's weaker parts, ie. most combat encounters and the bad late game difficulty curve. I'd love for more puzzles and storybook sequences too.
NPC schedules sounds like a great advance, hopefully it has a lot of stuff like that.
NPC schedules sounds like a great advance, hopefully it has a lot of stuff like that.
I love what Avellone has done for the genre, but he has been acting like a petty baby towards Obsidian over the past few months.
Sawyer was talking about save transfer on Twitch last week. I think it's more than likely at this point.
Wondering why they're going the crowdfunding route again after having partnered up with Paradox for Tyranny which seems to have worked out pretty well. It feels like they shot themselves in the foot with some of the things they promised to include in the first PoE, especially towards Act 3 as stretch goals.
Paradox owns the Tyranny IP as a result, though. Keeping Pillars as their own thing is probably a big deal for the company.
I'm not sure why, but I couldn't be any less excited for this game. Overall I liked the first game, but towards the end I felt like it became tedious and the descriptive texts (and also some dialogues) started to bore me to death. Also the world just didn't pull me in.
But I'm happy for anyone who was looking forward to this and I'm sure it'll be funded!
But I'm happy for anyone who was looking forward to this and I'm sure it'll be funded!
It definitely looks good but I kind of hope that the scenes are a bit more dynamic this time around. Like that middle screen shot where the light sources don't cast character shadows. I realize that pre-rendered backgrounds come with some limitations but I hope they can do some improvements in this regard now that they've had some experience with the process.
spindoctor
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Yeah I kickstarted Pillars but I won't use fig. An Obsidian project is guaranteed to get crowdfunded anyway so I'll just let others do it and buy the game when it's out.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Imports really have made meta gaming close to impossible.
Yeah, he's coming off as incredibly bitter and petty.
Personally, I hope they rethink combat in PoE2. I liked the system, but encounter design was very weird, and there were way too much combat. I mean, throwing 15 unnaturally strong beetles at me is not what I'd consider fun - Especially if it happens all the goddamn time.
Turin Turambar
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Lol, some of you guys...
He saw in whatever game site his ex-company releasing a new game, in a series where he worked before, and twitted it. That's it. Seems a good behavior?
Why would you think he knew the exact time of the publication of the news and also knew the exact time of the embargo so he noticed it was broken so he twitted as a way to be petty?? Do you have too tin foil hats, by chance? Most people wouldn't know, just GAF noticed the Polygon fail.
Also, I just entered in this twitter to check his "retweeting every news source he can find about this", and only found a single tweet with the news written by him, and a single retweet of another source. That's it. So yeah, I suppose we are really in a post truth world, where 1 retweet = every single retweet! Mold the facts until they support your initial belief!
The encounter design in the two expansions were far better, especially the second of the expansions.
Yeah, that was weird, especially because they laid the groundwork to let the player avoid combat (no exp for killing every single enemy), but didn't really follow through with it encounter design wise.
The expansions were much better in that regard, which makes me hopeful.
Also, logo:
It's true that he's not retweeting every leak, should've checked his Twitter profile myself, but there are really no ifs, ands, or buts about his attitude towards Obsidian over the past few months. Reminds me of Hayter and his Twitter rants.
Justice_Bolt
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There is no issue. I backed Wasteland 3 there. Everything went smoothly. It's just Gaf being Gaf.
wait, they picked all the worst companions to return
I want Durance, Grieving Mother and Hiravias but two of those are Avellone's characters so ...
anyway I'm looking forward to this, but they need to overhaul their stats system. Also, the encounter design was not up to the standards of the classic CRPGs so hopefully that will improve as well
I'm not expecting a BG1 to BG2 jump in quality but I'm excited to play it (in 3 or so years) nonetheless
oh, you just have to get him stuck in the level geometry and pelt him with projectiles for a couple minutes, like any real adventurer would do
and it's probably more interesting to free him because he'll likely make an appearance in sequel
CottonWolf
Member
I agree with you on Durance, but Eder's great. I can relate to a man who only wants to pet fluffy animals.
Vlodril
Member
Well Avellone was co-founder of obsidian right? from what i understand from some of his recent interviews the break up was not a happy one and he had issues with upper management.
I also see that his two characters from poe (which were my favorites) seem to be missing from the artwork. I will back the game day one for sure but i think it was a big loss for obsidian and for us whatever happened between them.
Hopefully he can find a new place to land and get a full game out with him as lead instead of doing snippets here and there.
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