This seems random, but thanks anyway! I was just wondering about that earlier in the week, lol.
He's the Linedolf of gamesoh man without Holywood to lift ideas and characters from, Kojima is just another ero anime director / game maker wanna be...
Those games sell in spite of the sexualization. In most examples, you'll find that triple A games sell in spite of those factors, first and foremost, due to incredibly addictive gameplay loops. Granted, gglite dudes getting mad salty over Traver being a lesbian is hilarious.
I like sexy female video game character designs. I like non-sexy female video game character designs.
I don't really care if female character designs are too sexy to be realistic, nor do I really care if there are plot rationalizations for what they wear. Sexiness has never had any influence on my purchasing behaviour. I suspect that outside of a moe love pillow owning lunatic fringe this also runs true for most consumers, but who knows.
Evidently I'm a raging mysogynist because I'm capable of enjoying the beauty of the female form, can enjoy provocative works of art that involve women while still respecting them, and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism.
Please, internet, stop thinking that you're in a position to tell me what my thoughts or preferences should be, particularly about what I'm allowed to be attracted to or consider art. We're blessed to live in a free society where people have the sanctity of their own opinions. I'm humble enough to be swayed by quality arguments, but in this case I don't think your argument is superior. This seems like the spiral of "ever greater hysteria about ever smaller causes," and I'm not obligated to agree.
and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism
ITT people conflate attractiveness with sexualisation with objectification.
god. These are all different concepts.
Overwatch contains attractive characters that are very mildly sexualised by the devs (choise poses) the fanbase further sexualised and some objectified the characters.
Quiet is over sexualised and hence objectified completely by Kojima.
I'm not saying the statement that the art was censored was wrong,
But it ultimately proved my point.
In historical hindsight, we view the council as the "bad guys" in the situation, especially when quotes like all lasciviousness be avoided; in such wise that figures shall not be painted or adorned with a beauty exciting to lust. seem very relevant to the issue at hand.
I don't think anyone told you you're mysogynist for enjoying games that has sexy characters.
But we shouldn't be denying that there is a problem with female representation, we should aim for better representation of females characters in videogames.
Not this time, Kojima... just outright admit if you're gonna sexualise the characters... don't hide behind a shield of white armour.
I never had this as an issue when it comes to Kojima games. To me, over-sexualized characters after a staple in his creations.
I like sexy female video game character designs. I like non-sexy female video game character designs.
I don't really care if female character designs are too sexy to be realistic, nor do I really care if there are plot rationalizations for what they wear. Sexiness has never had any influence on my purchasing behaviour. I suspect that outside of a moe love pillow owning lunatic fringe this also runs true for most consumers, but who knows.
Evidently I'm a raging mysogynist because I'm capable of enjoying the beauty of the female form, can enjoy provocative works of art that involve women while still respecting them, and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism.
Please, internet, stop thinking that you're in a position to tell me what my thoughts or preferences should be, particularly about what I'm allowed to be attracted to or consider art. We're blessed to live in a free society where people have the sanctity of their own opinions. I'm humble enough to be swayed by quality arguments, but in this case I don't think your argument is superior. This seems like the spiral of "ever greater hysteria about ever smaller causes," and I'm not obligated to agree.
Quiet is sexualized, but she's not a sexist portrayal.
Quiet:
- Always keeps her agency. She chooses whether to stay or leave Mother Base. No one makes her dress that way; she chooses those clothes (you can argue that Kojima did, but that's a different discussion).
- Saves- Is extremely capable, smart, and powerful, the closest thing Big Boss has to an equalBig Boss
- Is not a victim: she kills her assailants during the.attempted rape scene
- Her story ends on her terms
The more tits the better. People who complain about it are fucking pathetic.
I'd like to meet that "we" person someday that is in the position to dictate a group of developers how to make their product. Are you on the development team of Death Stranding? Are you creatively involved in game development at all?
I see a lot of "you" and what you think is not good representation disregarding anything that comes with the creative process.
smh
As someone who loves Kojima's games across the board, "Origin" perfectly encapsulates some of the writing you find in his stuff.Oh Boy! Another opportunity to bring up this comic!
I like sexy female video game character designs. I like non-sexy female video game character designs.
I don't really care if female character designs are too sexy to be realistic, nor do I really care if there are plot rationalizations for what they wear. Sexiness has never had any influence on my purchasing behaviour. I suspect that outside of a moe love pillow owning lunatic fringe this also runs true for most consumers, but who knows.
Evidently I'm a raging mysogynist because I'm capable of enjoying the beauty of the female form, can enjoy provocative works of art that involve women while still respecting them, and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism.
Please, internet, stop thinking that you're in a position to tell me what my thoughts or preferences should be, particularly about what I'm allowed to be attracted to or consider art. We're blessed to live in a free society where people have the sanctity of their own opinions. I'm humble enough to be swayed by quality arguments, but in this case I don't think your argument is superior. This seems like the spiral of "ever greater hysteria about ever smaller causes," and I'm not obligated to agree.
The assumption that people being against characters like Quiet comes from puritanism is not only wrong but dare I say a little American.
See I'm dutch. I saw movies that would be considered soft porn as part of my high school education, I've never been to the beach without seeing topless women and nudity is pretty common on TV.
Yet characters like quiet annoy me. Not because she is showing more than others and not because she has big boobs. She annoys me because she is only there for men like you. In a game that normally would have appealed to me as well.
But Kojima isn't saying he is a bit of a perv and that he likes making games for men like you. No he wants the general public as well and hide behinds a deep backstory which never is that deep.
And when people like me say that having characters like Quiet in the mainstream makes us uncomfortable because it seems that our gender excist mainly in service of men, I don't think that is part of the "greater hysteria about smaller causes".
Between this thread, the Ashley Judd thread and our favourite Overwatch fan art this is my general reaction
Oh Boy! Another opportunity to bring up this comic!
This is gonna be fun.
How about he just makes normal female characters who aren't overly sexualised?!
and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism.
Please, internet, stop thinking that you're in a position to tell me what my thoughts or preferences should be, particularly about what I'm allowed to be attracted to or consider art. We're blessed to live in a free society where people have the sanctity of their own opinions. I'm humble enough to be swayed by quality arguments, but in this case I don't think your argument is superior. This seems like the spiral of "ever greater hysteria about ever smaller causes," and I'm not obligated to agree.
It pisses me off that this fucking idiot was turned into a martyr and given carte blanche because that clueless pachinko manufacturer doesn't understand how to properly switch to a new business model.
Maybe if he wasn't surrounded by yes men, someone might actually point out how delusional this makes him sound. Just because some people think you're an "auteur" and a "genius" doesn't mean your ideas can't be shit. Quiet was shit. The justification for Quiet was shit. Don't do it again.
Lol.
At this point, I think I respect stuff like Dead or Alive more than Kojima's. At least games like Dead or Alive don't play pretend with their sexualization and being upfront about it, instead of pretending that sexualizing female characters is suddenly ok when you give them "deep" backstory to make the whole thing like some sort of artsy philosophical project or some shit, lol.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
I like sexy female video game character designs. I like non-sexy female video game character designs.
I don't really care if female character designs are too sexy to be realistic, nor do I really care if there are plot rationalizations for what they wear. Sexiness has never had any influence on my purchasing behaviour. I suspect that outside of a moe love pillow owning lunatic fringe this also runs true for most consumers, but who knows.
Evidently I'm a raging mysogynist because I'm capable of enjoying the beauty of the female form, can enjoy provocative works of art that involve women while still respecting them, and see the upside of seeing artists unrestrained by puritanism.
Please, internet, stop thinking that you're in a position to tell me what my thoughts or preferences should be, particularly about what I'm allowed to be attracted to or consider art. We're blessed to live in a free society where people have the sanctity of their own opinions. I'm humble enough to be swayed by quality arguments, but in this case I don't think your argument is superior. This seems like the spiral of "ever greater hysteria about ever smaller causes," and I'm not obligated to agree.
Oh Boy! Another opportunity to bring up this comic!
I mean, good grief can these creators take a hint?
That's fine but I think this debate is wider than what you personally like looking at. I don't think anyone is trying to tell you that appreciating sexy women is wrong.
Yeah i'm still so ashamed for criticized Quiet sexuality after i figured out her story...
Not this time, Kojima... just outright admit if you're gonna sexualise the characters... don't hide behind a shield of white armour.
Yeah i'm still so ashamed for criticized Quiet sexuality after i figured out her story...
Hopefully not a derail, but can I ask you what the significance of the 88 in your name is? I see it around a lot.
How about he just makes normal female characters who aren't overly sexualised?!
Hopefully not a derail, but can I ask you what the significance of the 88 in your name is? I see it around a lot.
Damn Kojima. Sexy women are not enough, sexualized women are also not enough. They NEED to be OVERLY sexualized. Why?!
It seems like numerous people are trying to tell me exactly that.
Kojima for President 2020: Titties for A Reason.
Lol.
At this point, I think I respect stuff like Dead or Alive more than Kojima's. At least games like Dead or Alive don't play pretend with their sexualization and being upfront about it, instead of pretending that sexualizing female characters is suddenly ok when you give them "deep" backstory to make the whole thing like some sort of artsy philosophical project or some shit, lol.
What a ridiculous thing to say.