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[JohnnyFootball]

I haven't used an AMD CPU in over 10 years. Intels Core 2 duo was the chip that relegated them to 2nd (and last) place and it seemed liked they would never be able to recover. Every year when something came out people had hope that they could compete with price and performance, but that never happened. Intel owned them and the enthusiast market. My understanding was that AMD was able to carve out a niche in the cheap PC realm, but most assumed their days of being able to compete with Intel were over. As a result, the boundaries in CPUs haven't really been pushed in many years and top CPUs that were being used in 2012 are still competeitive with top CPUs today. Because of that I have never been able to pull the trigger on upgrading my Z77/i7 3770 combo. In some ways this is good since it has extended the life of my CPU far beyond what i intended. Nevertheless, I still planned on upgrading to Kaby Lake if only for USB3.1.

Because of that Ryzen wasn't even a blip on my radar.

However, something changed and the early buzz is that Ryzen is actually going to be a competeive CPU with Intel. The more I read about it the more confident I am that this CPU will be the one that finally brings back good ole competition and innovation to the CPU market.

Just curious are there any other gamers out there who were considering an upgrade to an INTel set, but are now taking a wait and see approach. For me, if Ryzen's 6-core CPU can go close to competeive with Intels then I will easily go back to AMD.

Anyone else?

 

[Tomasoares]

I only hope that Ryzen is actually good because I really need to change my CPU, and an Intel is way too much expensive :/

 

[Anno]

I'm all for anything that promotes more competition in the hardware space. I don't know that PC gaming as a whole really needs a shot in the arm, though.

 

[Rellik]

I feel like we hear this every time and then nothing happens.

 

[DieH@rd]

Early benchmarks looks to be very good, pricing is even better, and motherboards are finally brought to the feature level of Intel.

AMD has a winner, now they just have to present it to the public and deploy it without any issues,.

 

[nynt9]

I wouldn't get too excited by AMD marketing and would wait until we see a final product, and even then how it's supported.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

All I know is that I have my hand extended out ready to give AMD my money if these CPUs can live up to the hype.

The 6-core CPU looks to be $100 cheaper than an i7 7700K.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I feel like we hear this every time and then nothing happens.

That's true, but so far I have yet to read anything negative. To the best of my knowledge, AMD critic, Kyle from HardOCP hasn't written anything negative about it. Normally he is always the one to kill any buzz for AMD products.

 

[LordRaptor]

Although I appreciate AMD existing because they give Nvidia and Intel at least a pretence of staying honest, whats actually going to happen is Intel are just going to unleash a new tech from their vault that destroys it at the high end and be priced accordingly, and price slash existing lines.

e:
Also what shot in the arm does the market need? I'm not brute force cracking encryptions or anything, and 'costly' games aren't targetting higher than the consoles mobile chips.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I think I'm most excited about Ryzen allowing new PC gamers to build a better and cheaper PC than before. If the competition drives prices down so gamers can get a very competent processor/motherboard combo for $100-150 (kind of a pipe dream but I'm a dreamer), that could be very enticing and make budget PC builds with quality new parts a real option.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

Although I appreciate AMD existing because they give Nvidia and Intel at least a pretence of staying honest, whats actually going to happen is Intel are just going to unleash a new tech from their vault that destroys it at the high end and be priced accordingly, and price slash existing lines.

They just released Kaby Lake. If they lower KL prices, they'll be screwing over their early adopters, and if they lower prices on Broadwell-E too much (say more than 15-20%), it will make KL look like a terrible value by comparison.

It's part of the reason why Intel is in a pretty difficult position if Ryzen ends up competitive.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

Intels Core 2 duo was the chip that relegated them to 2nd (and last) place and it seemed liked they would never be able to recover.

Also this happened:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-intel-court-eu-idUSKBN0EN0M120140612

Intel bribed big OEMs like Dell, HP, Lenovo and retail chain Media-Saturn to only use/stock their chips.
That almost broke AMDs neck in 2006.
They were fined by the EU to a record $1.4 billion.

 

[tuxfool]

I wasn't aware it needed a shot in the arm?

 

[Castef]

"Much needed"?

 

[ArjanN]

I wasn't aware it needed a shot in the arm?

"Much needed"?

Kinda this. PC gaming is better than it ever was.

 

[Caffeine]

That's true, but so far I have yet to read anything negative. To the best of my knowledge, AMD critic, Kyle from HardOCP hasn't written anything negative about it. Normally he is always the one to kill any buzz for AMD products.

probably just waiting for the products to release to see real world application.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

In the sense of a healthy, competitive CPU market segment, yes.

 

[marlowesghost]

Kinda this. PC gaming is better than it ever was.

PC gaming hardware revenue hit like 30 billion last year. It was a new record. The space is very healthy right now.

 

[Rezae]

Competition is always great. Even if Ryzen has a few catches and the hype deflates a little, I think the excellent price/performance ratio is still going to be a positive for customers and hopefully drive down prices a bit.

I know I'm excited. I'm still rocking an AMD Phenom II (granted I'm not playing the newest AAA releases), and it feels pretty good that I'll likely stay with Team Red as soon as I get a chance to upgrade.

 

[OnionPowder]

PC gaming hardware revenue hit like 30 billion last year. It was a new record. The space is very healthy right now.

Yes but CPU gains are stagnating. People are hopeful that Intel will respond hard, and hopefully AMD can keep up.

 

[tuxfool]

Yes but CPU gains are stagnating. People are hopeful that Intel will respond hard, and hopefully AMD can keep up.

That is because Moore's law is no longer applicable. Competition isn't magically going to make it gain more power. Prices will be better, though.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Kinda this. PC gaming is better than it ever was.

I wouldn't say it's in a great place from a competition standpoint. Nvidia and intel have been able to charge outrageous prices for years now.

 

[Caffeine]

Yes but CPU gains are stagnating. People are hopeful that Intel will respond hard, and hopefully AMD can keep up.

thats true cpu's a few years ago had a major boost tech wise like with the intel 2000 series they kinda been slowly increasing since.

but also not just games but other programs have been working over the years to offload a lot of work from cpu's to gpu's and also interact better. from here on out we will probably see even smaller tech gains also due to them hitting a wall with die size production but better prices down the road for consumers.

until some magical thing occurs that we havent done before on the production side we kinda gonna be flopping around casually like a magikarp.

 

[TimHortons]

I've been holding off waiting for what comes with Ryzen. Still rockin' a i5 3570k and ATI 7950 on a 1440p monitor so yeah it hurts with anything recent. Waiting for benchmarks and full pricing. Was kinda disappointed with the Kaby Lake performance or lack thereof.

 

[OnionPowder]

That is because Moore's law is no longer applicable. Competition isn't magically going to make it gain more power. Prices will be better, though.

Moore's Law is still applicable, but just becoming harder to obtain so there's no reason to pursue it due to cost concerns. We still have 10nm on the horizon.

 

[PnCIa]

Although I appreciate AMD existing because they give Nvidia and Intel at least a pretence of staying honest, whats actually going to happen is Intel are just going to unleash a new tech from their vault that destroys it at the high end and be priced accordingly, and price slash existing lines.

e:
Also what shot in the arm does the market need? I'm not brute force cracking encryptions or anything, and 'costly' games aren't targetting higher than the consoles mobile chips.

No, Intel is not going to unleash something from the vault. Developing chips takes years, and the current Intel roadmap does not promise any "radical" changes until ~2019, 2020. More cores sure though.
Also, Intel loves and needs their high margins. Both from an investors perspective and to keep their now very, very expensive operation running. Think of all the fabs.
Cutting prices drastically would give them a few more sales, but it will cut their margins, devalue the brand and make investors unhappy. Sounds like a short term gain/long time loss to me.
They will have to adapt, and thats probably whats gonna happen. Even though the current CEO seems to be an idiot according to canardpc (the magazin that got the early Ryzen sample a few months back).

 

[tuxfool]

Moore's Law is still applicable, but just becoming harder to obtain so there's no reason to pursue it due to cost concerns. We still have 10nm on the horizon.

No. Moore's law follows a very specific criteria that is no longer applicable. We still get the scaling he was talking about, but the numbers he used no longer apply.

 

[IC5]

I haven't used an AMD CPU in over 10 years. Intels Core 2 duo was the chip that relegated them to 2nd (and last) place and it seemed liked they would never be able to recover.

Core2 and Phenom II are comparable. Nehalem is what stuck the lead. Sandy Bridge gave a big, permanent lead.

 

[xet72]

I'm on serious hype train. Already got my 3770k sold and ready for a 1700x or better rig ASAP. My last AMD cpu was a Clawhammer 4000+. They build rock solid cpus. In my hall of fame cpus 2nd all time was a Athlon XP-M 2500+ with a near 50% oc daily (300a@450 ftw). Ryzen is free for me. AMD has printed money for my purchases thanks to their total domination of the video card market in the all important cryptocurrency. If only I had gotten on that AMD stock ride sooner....ah well. I'm near certain Ryzen is gonna knock it out of the park. This leak seals deal for me
http://www.overclock.net/t/1623292/lets-talk-about-a-ryzen-es

- IPC is at the least Ivy Bridge-E and higher
- SMT for Ryzen is more efficient then Intel's HyperThreading
- Ryzen has no cold Bug
- Cinebench R15 hits 145 single thread @ 3.4GHz on ES, earlier models hit 130-140, retails should hit 140-150
- Most Ryzen ES samples hit 4.3-4.5GHz MAX on Air with all core enabled
- Intel is testing out Skylake-X, and beats out current 6950X with 8C/16T because it can hit higher clocks.


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Can you say if you are impressed or not this far?

Absolutely. The 179.99 Dollar R3 1300 is going to be 5-8% slower than a 7700K and be 150 dollars cheaper


Please let this leak be real.

 

[RS4-]

Will be happy to switch to ryzen if prices and performance are similar to what has been leaked so far. Will switch back to amd GPUs though next upgrade.

 

[IC5]

I think I'm most excited about Ryzen allowing new PC gamers to build a better and cheaper PC than before. If the competition drives prices down so gamers can get a very competent processor/motherboard combo for $100-150 (kind of a pipe dream but I'm a dreamer), that could be very enticing and make budget PC builds with quality new parts a real option.

Intel just released such a CPU.
Pentium G4560
$65 retail

I like AMD and have a fun past with their CPU. But, I doubt AMD will anything touching this price/performance, for quite awhile.

 

[Water]

It's nice if there's some more competition in the CPU space, but the vast majority of games are not stressing CPUs as is. Cheapest i5 quads - and their equivalents multiple generations back - are just fine for most gamers. If you could get similar midrange performance for $100 lower total machine cost, I think the market would barely be affected, and that seems like an optimistic initial outcome. And I also find it hard to believe that devs would be currently sitting on a pile of sweet game concepts that would be commercially viable if only the market had 20% or 30% higher average CPU performance.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Intel just released such a CPU.

Which one?

 

[GRaider81]

PC gaming is great, not sure it needs a "shot in the arm"

It does need some competition in the component side though.

 

[Nzyme32]

What "shot in the arm" does PC gaming, and particularly hardware need? Things seem pretty great right now.

As far as Ryzen goes, this is the same old "hype" we get since Bulldozer. Wait for the things to release, show me the benchmarks on a variety of machines. I don't care till then; pretty much the same story for most kinds of hardware

 

[Lashley]

Does PC gaming even need a shot in the arm!?

I feel like we hear this every time and then nothing happens.

Yep, we hear it constantly

 

[zombieshavebrains]

I'm all for anything that promotes more competition in the hardware space. I don't know that PC gaming as a whole really needs a shot in the arm, though.

Maybe AMD needs the shot in the arm?

 

[iavi]

Does PC gaming even need a shot in the arm!?



Yep, we hear it constantly

Benchmarks and pricing are justifying it this time, though

And the CPU landscape needed a massive shot of competition in the arm. Intel has been resting on their laurels with these measly generation improvements for forever now

 

[Pagusas]

Recently went from a 2600k - 6700k, and the improvements were huge for me, but will not comparable to what a 2 year cycle was back in the 00's. I hope amd knocks it out of the park and gives me a reason to upgrade again in 3 years.

 

[Aztechnology]

Which one?

Intel pentium G4560

3.5 Ghz ~i3 6100 level performance for $60. For budget gaming it's definitely the king.

As for multi-core though. That could change. I usually wouldn't recommend under a 4 core if you can help it.

Intel may finally have to compete again. But we'll see.

 

[IC5]

Which one?

I was late with am edit.

Pentium G4560
$65 retail

I like AMD and have a fun past with their CPUs. But, I doubt AMD will have anything touching this price/performance, for quite awhile.

 

[dr_rus]

CPU's influence on PC gaming is like the most minor thing out of all you can think of. So even with Ryzen being mighty good all this will lead to is people being able to get themselves 8-core CPUs relatively cheap. We will still be limited by console CPUs when it comes to what games will be able to use and GPUs will still be the major focus and a preferable upgrade.

 

[FrozenCell]

CPU's influence on PC gaming is like the most minor thing out of all you can think of. So even with Ryzen being mighty good all this will lead to is people being able to get themselves 8-core CPUs relatively cheap. We will still be limited by console CPUs when it comes to what games will be able to use and GPUs will still be the major focus and a preferable upgrade.

consoles have been 8-core since 2013

 

[IC5]

consoles have been 8-core since 2013

An dual core i3 6100 or Pentium G4560 would eat a PS4 pro's 8 core Jaguar for lunch. CPU core technology and IPC/instructions per clock, is still king.

RAM prices need to come down. DDR4 is twice what it was last June. It would also be nice if the low end motherboard market were not so flooded, either...

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Yes, the CPU side of PC gaming badly needs a shot in the arm.

When you're CPUs produced in 2011 are not that much slower than those in 2017 then yeah.

 

[mephixto]

Ryzen looks good but it's AMD so I wonder where is the catch?

 

[ISee]

An dual core i3 6100 or Pentium G4560 would eat a PS4 pro's 8 core Jaguar for lunch. CPU core technology and IPC/instructions per clock, is still king.

RAM prices need to come down. DDR4 is twice what it was last June. It would also be nice if the low end motherboard market were not so flooded, either...

RAM prices are even supposed to go up another 40% in the next months.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Stop it.

It's not expected to provide more performance than what's already available. Perhaps, it will only make most of that performance cost less.

Get outta here with the hyperbolic statements.

 

[Mohasus]

RAM prices are even supposed to go up another 40% in the next months.

Welp, guess I'm keeping my build for another year or two then.

 

[dr_rus]

Ryzen looks good but it's AMD so I wonder where is the catch?

We haven't seen any actual benchmarks yet is the catch. Wait for 2nd of March.