Horizon has barely showed any human combat. Horizon isn't marketed for human vs human combat either. It's marketed that you fight big ads robot dinos. So the same argument you use for RDR can be directly applied.
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Horizon Zero Dawn Spoiler-free Impressions (for real this time)
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Horizon has barely showed any human combat. Horizon isn't marketed for human vs human combat either. It's marketed that you fight big ads robot dinos. So the same argument you use for RDR can be directly applied.
ASHES IN THE HOURGLASS
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Holy shit, you people are defensive as fuck. I was making reference to how CM was marketed for the alien encounters when a large portion of the battles were against soldiers. It's partly my fault for not elaborating but god damn, lay down your pitchforks.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Horizon Zero Dawn |OT| Fog Of War
FunkyPajamas
Member
So what exactly is the problem with human v human combat? Is it the enemy AI, or it just that humans aren't as cool as freakin' robot dinosaurs?
The impressions are better than I anticipated. It's possible they could cool down a little bit after 20+ hours but as long as the combat and story stay interesting I think they will keep loving it.
I'm predicting an average score of 88. Cons being bad human AI, too much herb farming, and some janky animation (although I don't think it's worse than say Wit Her 3 and no one really complained about that iirc).
Jealous you guys got it so early. It's taking a lot of willpower not to click on that spoiler thread.
I'm predicting an average score of 88. Cons being bad human AI, too much herb farming, and some janky animation (although I don't think it's worse than say Wit Her 3 and no one really complained about that iirc).
Jealous you guys got it so early. It's taking a lot of willpower not to click on that spoiler thread.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
they appear to be very unresponsive and not a challenge in the slightest
gundamkyoukai
Member
The human AI don't seem to be that good , brain dead \rather easy .
Hope they could always patch it but the robos were always going to be the star of this game.
ha ha ha ha ha relax bro im just pulling your leg.
Horizon: Zero Dawn |OT| Breath of Colonial Marines a Farcry from a Fog
Khalifa Jayy
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S O N Y E X C L U S I V E
FunkyPajamas
Member
Ah, thanks. That's odd. Hopefully this isn't one of those situations where the second part of the game consists entirely of fighting against the least engaging enemy type.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Horizon Zero Dawn |OT| A Link to the Future Past
Primethius
Banned
Horizon: Zero Dawn |OT| Fog of the Wild
onemanasylum
Banned
Not just that, but it looks like it is going to be very successful. Look at all the Naughty Dog hate now because they are a premier developer. You can't go in a ND thread without the "Shit gameplay" BS, despite TLOU and UC4 have fantastic Mechanics and core gameplay
Jawbreaker
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I wonder how the human AI varies (if at all) between difficulty levels.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I don't think difficulty impacts stuff like that. It'll just be basic stuff like more damage, less materials, etc...
More_Badass
Member
I can enjoy Call of Duty campaigns. Wack human AI isn't issue if I feel cool taking them down
But let's be honest. Enemy AI in open world games in general tends to be pretty shit. Set up a cop-gang war in Watch Dogs 2, or get into a shootout in GTA V, attack an outpost in Far Cry, and you'll see all kinds of basic behaviors and brain dead behavior.
I'm not expecting FEAR or even Deus Ex-level AI in an open world game. The best AI tends to be in roguelikes IMO
Primethius
Banned
I'm going to need to see a bit more on the human AI. In the previews, they looked serviceable. If the core of the game wasn't robo-dino based, I'd be concerned. But the AI looked fine for what seems to be a smaller part of the whole.
They don't look impressive but serve their function. Arrow to the head, some basic stealth around them, some brutal kills etc. It works. Nothing to write home about.
They don't look impressive but serve their function. Arrow to the head, some basic stealth around them, some brutal kills etc. It works. Nothing to write home about.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yeah, not necessarily a bad thing but certainly nothing noteworthy either.
onemanasylum
Banned
Don't think many people are too concerned with the human AI, the robots are the appeal here. GG can certainly look at improving that though.
FunkyPajamas
Member
I haven't played MGSV yet but I assume the AI is at least fun and engaging as in MGS3. Isn't that the case?
I'd be surprised if GG has "brain dead" AI in one of their games, open world or not.
I think The Lamp had a post a few pages back on a cauldron. It might have been spoiler-tagged so I didn't click.
edit: nevermind, he was quoting a post with a spoiler tag, but didn't add anything spoiler-y.
Yeah its not like they don't do damage either that vid Lamp posted oen took alot of health.
Jawbreaker
Member
That Aloy is ugly, it's an SJW game, and it has too many black people.
gundamkyoukai
Member
yep i mean compare to the robos they were never going to match up .
Some robos have from 3 to 9 different attacks and different special abilities .
The humans going to be serviceable which is alright .
I thought it was about the game's length.
I just hop there will be reasonable number of them. Hoping for at least 3.
Nah they dont know anything at all.
Jawbreaker
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If you mean the "leak," it said the main campaign was 20 hours long. We know that someone completed the game in over 30 hours thus far. With side-quests, I imagine it can range from 50-60 hours.
The "leak" has been debunked by GG and by someone working on the Future Press guide.
More_Badass
Member
Is it that the humans are bad, or that they're standard open world enemies compared to the varied movesets and behaviors of the robo dinos?
In open world games and similar games (Far Cry, Tomb Raider), human enemies tend to have one weapon depending on type like shotgun, sniper, etc., will fire at you, take cover, throw grenades, and rush at you with melee weapons. Not much more than that usually
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
Wait so the fog guy disappeared when he realized fog disappears when you get close to it in real life??
You gotta ask yourself why did they talk about it so much if they actually don't know anything about fog? How is it "clearly" anything if they are just guessing about how fog works ?
Is it ironic that the poster disappeared like fog does?
Soo many questions.
You gotta ask yourself why did they talk about it so much if they actually don't know anything about fog? How is it "clearly" anything if they are just guessing about how fog works ?
Is it ironic that the poster disappeared like fog does?
Soo many questions.
Theslammer
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How can you possibly look at all threads that ever talked about The Order on the internet?
Maybe at the end of the day all we truly are, and all we truly aspire to be, is fog.
Primethius
Banned
Story wise, I hope the game doesn't have any sort of big twist, or that one reveal that everything sort of hinges on.
The character focus in the intro was a pleasant surprise because I was expecting something else entirely. I don't mind twists but the quality of the story becomes a bit too reliant on them.
I honestly would just love it if the reveal for the state of the world was just peppered throughout, not one big moment, and the majority of the story is focused on Aloy.
The character focus in the intro was a pleasant surprise because I was expecting something else entirely. I don't mind twists but the quality of the story becomes a bit too reliant on them.
I honestly would just love it if the reveal for the state of the world was just peppered throughout, not one big moment, and the majority of the story is focused on Aloy.
WordsintheWater
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I think I remember someone saying we know of at least 4, not 100 percent sure on this. I'm sure someone else in the thread can clarify.
Neoleo2143
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It's a problem in all of those games. Human enemies with Hitscan and relatively boring (yet somehow inconsistent) tactics aren't really that fun to fight especially since they tend to go down in one hit to the head. And that's fine if it's a game like MGS where the Humans are part of the challenge and not the whole challenge most of the time.
Horizon specifically I don't like that Humans can have Hitscan weapons that can take off 50% of your health on normal difficulty in a single hit. That's absolutely ridiculous in a game that has no cover mechanic (and the only defensive mechanic outright is rolling) and places a larger focus on defeating bigger enemies with consistency. Humans in Horizon are both less interesting than the other enemies and less fair than them which seems to make them very unsatisfying to fight overall unless you use stealth.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yeah standard would be a better word to use.
LastMinuteHero
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Thank you Drift, I'll be bookmarking this post so I can join in the fun later. Also frillen didn't you post the same comment in one of the previous thread? That looks suspect af
FunkyPajamas
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Started with a post with 4chan stuff saying fog is everywhere and detracts from the game, then some posters kept on posting about it.
CopperPuppy
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Horizon Zero Dawn |OT| Fog Cry
Cool, thanks.
More_Badass
Member
Some vague but spoilery stuff from the trophy thread
That implies a level of your choices impacting the narrative that I never anticipated from this game
texhnolyze
Banned
Yep this was mention on the ps blog post.