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Are Amiibos as "cheat codes" an appropriate way to go moving forward? (BOTW related)

Shaanyboi

Banned
So I have alot of Amiibos. Certainly nowhere near all of them, probably not even a third. But I still have alot. I also haven't really used any of them for any real reason beyond acouple recent instances which I'll get into later. In most cases, I'd just bought them because they look nice, or they're so wonderfully dumb that of course that's something I need to buy (lookin at you Wii Fit Trainer, posing majestically on my shelf).

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I mean I'd bought the 3-pack of Splatoon Amiibos purely because I thought they looked cool. I know there was stuff to unlock with them, but I didn't play enough single-player to ever actually get around to using them.

Literally the first time I'd used an Amiibo was two weeks ago when playing Twilight Princess HD on Hero Mode, was in a dire situation, and remembered "Wait, doesn't the Zelda amiibo restore hearts?" I tapped it, and hey, it worked. Couple days later, I was in a dungeon, was low on arrows, and the same thing happened with Link. Of course these were one-time uses per day, so I didn't get into a habit of relying on them. But they were handy to have in a super tight corner. Especially when it came to tackling that Cave of Shadows dungeon (fuck that place, by the way. Never made it past the mid-30's).

I'd never really had too big of an issue with Amiibo. They're a dumb collectible if that's all you want them to be, and I can't think of too many instances where they locked stuff that really mattered. For the most part it was pretty superfluous stuff. The Smash Bros. use case of "YOU CAN TRAIN UP YOUR AMIIBO" seemed so bizarrely nebulous that I saw no real draw to it. I mean additional characters in Fire Emblem Fates wasn't a big deal because they were just these weird bonus characters units that had no impact on the story. I mean we're not talking like Javik in Mass Effect 3, here...


And FE: Awakening already had similar legacy characters available as DLC, but I never wanted them because I only wanted the fleshed-out units that could really interact with one another.

Mario Maker locked some skins behind them for immediate use, which seemed like a cute inclusion. Mario Kart 8 did some similar things. But it's always been a question of what is too much to where you're locking players out, but what is too little that they feel like their money is wasted...

So now we come to Breath of the Wild...


And I'm having a similar thought to my experience with Twilight Princess HD. These are cheat codes. These once-per-day bonuses that are completely avoidable, but if you have them, can be super helpful if you're in a corner and want to engage with them. I got the Guardian, Zelda, and Rider Link amiibo simply because I thought they looked nice. I haven't even bothered taking them out of the package yet. But I can see the use for them at the same time. I mean they could certainly break the game a bit early on when you're dealing with alot of low-level baddies, and having a Guardian Arrow in those opening hours sure as hell would stifle some threats. But simultaneously, the later you get, they're not so useful that one player may have a wildly different experience than another. They're handy, but certainly don't break any competitive balancing, don't lock other players from meaningful content that they can't get anyway. It kinda feels like the best use of the system going forward.

I can imagine in a Mario game, tapping an amiibo gets you 3 mushrooms per day or a fire flower or whatever. And like... yeah, that can be super handy in the right situation, but people without it aren't feeling scammed out of anything meaningful. And the people with it might be grateful in the right moment to have had that in a certain moment.

How do you feel about how the last couple Zelda games have used these, and is this an appropriate balance to justifying Amiibos beyond just collectibles?
 

Tidalwave

Member
Well, some of the other botw amiibos are more than that. You get actual exclusive weapons and armor. So in this case they're not just cheat codes but almost dlc as well.
 

kunonabi

Member
Not really a fan of them as unlocks/item drops but I loved the Wolf Link usage since that's what I always imagined amiibos were for to begin with.
 

sensui-tomo

Member
Which weapons/armor are exclusive?

iirc
Epona
is exclusive to the smash link amiibo, but i wouldnt know how true that is. Armor i assume is the legacy stuff (ala
Twilight outfit/toon link outfit/OoT outfit and Skyward sword outfit
(not sure who has this one)
 

Squarehard

Member
It's basically another way to approach the pre-order bonus DLC that some retailers offer, except this way Nintendo themselves will be the one profiting directly, and more off of it.

Not speaking to the ethics of the approach, but it certainly does seem like the way to go if they want to make sure the sales for amiibos keep racking in that dough.
 
I believe some amiibo in BotW give you exclusive stuff but none of the BotW amiibo give you any of it.

IIRC it's Smash Link = Epona, OoT Link = Hero of Time Hood and Wolf Link = Wolf Link companion.
 

Zaventem

Member
I hate how there is no other way to get the dlc. I want the game content i just don't care about this amiibo shit. What's so hard about selling the dlc in a package?
 

Redd

Member
I want freaking Epona but I never owned an Amiibo. Tried to buy one yesterday.........I'm not getting Epona.
-_-
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
I don't mind it giving random benefits like the daily supplies but it irks me when they hold things only gotten through amiibo. Sadly BotW has a slew of armor, weapons and shit and fuckin EPONA locked to it.

Complete garbage.
 

D.Lo

Member
I was annoyed at them being 'physical DLC' to start with, like in Splatoon. I don't want toys cluttering up the place, and just like other nickel and dime DLC (horse armour etc) didn't like content locked.

Then I got Callie and Marie as a present and loved them, and ended up with some for free (clearance versions of Twilight Princess HD and Chibi Robo Zip Lash). Grabbed the Splatoon ones to play the extra missions and get the retro games and found it good value DLC even if it didn't come with a figure.

I guess at least you get a cute decent quality figure with your DLC. They are like the worst items ever made to store safely though, since you basically can't rebox them.
 
Are you positive she's better than the
white royal horse?

I'm fairly certain that the only thing that White Horse has over Epona is 1 extra dash boost

That's the only thing I know since I sold that same horse to a guy in Gerudo Canyon.
 
Didn't know these items were exclusive. I was just scanning them because I have them and open them. Got some of those exclusive already lol. Nice bonus in my mind but I can see how others can feel "angry".

Some are really useful like the Zelda amiibo giving you "rare" gems and stuff you can sell and use for later game stuff.
 
You say they're "cheats" but in the same sentence say "but they're not game breaking", make up your mind OP.

I think they're ok and am very interested in acquiring a few, namely the guardian, Zelda, and Bow Link.
 

Hero

Member
I have the Wolf Link amiibo, can you use him without Twilight Princess HD save data on it? I never got around to playing it...

I'm fairly certain that the only thing that White Horse has over Epona is 1 extra dash boost

That's the only thing I know since I sold that same horse to a guy in Gerudo Canyon.

White Royal Horse does have 5 boost instead of 4 like Epona, but only has 3 in speed as opposed to Epona's 4. Also Epona is gentle tempered.
 

ZeroX03

Banned
I like how they work in Intelligent Systems titles. New characters are fun. Change up the gameplay. Feels significant. I like my amiibo to feel like they add a lot. Make it digital DLC for people who'd prefer it that way if you want, I don't care, I just like it to be cooler than some resources.

I like the costumes from the older ones.
 

notaskwid

Member
Are the items you get from the amiibo unlimited? Like, if you use it in one save then can you still use it for another save? (I assume so)
 

D.Lo

Member
Didn't know these items were exclusive. I was just scanning them because I have them and open them. Got some of those exclusive already lol. Nice bonus in my mind but I can see how others can feel "angry".
The good part with BOTW is that if you didn't know, you don't feel anything is missing at all.

Splatoon had an entire section of the hub world dedicated to Amiibo, which annoyed me at first.
 

Wereroku

Member
The good part with BOTW is that if you didn't know, you don't feel anything is missing at all.

Splatoon had an entire section of the hub world dedicated to Amiibo, which annoyed me at first.
I don't know the producer saying Epona was in the game in an interview only to find out it's locked behind an amiibo is kind of shitty.

Is is possible to get a traditional green tunic in game without an Amiibo?

Yes. You just have to beat all the shrines.
 
Is is possible to get a traditional green tunic in game without an Amiibo? Not talking about just using a green dye.

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The good part with BOTW is that if you didn't know, you don't feel anything is missing at all.

Splatoon had an entire section of the hub world dedicated to Amiibo, which annoyed me at first.

I agree but at the same time people complain that the Amiibo don't do anything significant and when they finally do something, people complain they actually do stuff.
 

notaskwid

Member
Yes. You can get duplicates on a single save on stuff like outfits too.
Then that's not so bad, I guess. Though I'd still be very annoyed if something I valued were to be locked behind an amiibo paywall, as I have no interest in buying them.
 

Insaniac

Member
Whenever a game comes out with amiibo functionality, people complain that it either has too much value ("dlc") or too little value (Amiibo value not worth it)
 

D.Lo

Member
I don't know the producer saying Epona was in the game in an interview only to find out it's locked behind an amiibo is kind of shitty
Yeah but you have to read the internet for that. It's not like there are townsfolk talking about it, you don't miss it from just the game.
 
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I agree but at the same time people complain that the Amiibo don't do anything significant and when they finally do something, people complain they actually do stuff.

Yea, Nintendo is simply screwed.
 

Wereroku

Member
Yeah but you have to read the internet for that. It's not like there are townsfolk talking about it, you don't miss it from just the game.
No you just never get a horse as good as her. It's a shit situation. It basically punishes customers for not buying trinkets outside the game. Also unlike dlc it's a limited item. I don't understand why they don't let us get the items through dlc. As it stands you are always going to be missing armor sets without an amiibo.
 

Sesuadra

Unconfirmed Member
Scan it in once, get a bunch of gear.
Scan it in again, get a bunch of gear again?

Definitely cheat in that case. I would never use anything like that, takes away the scary feeling of being too far away in unknown territory with bad weapons and little food/potions.
Once a day limit
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
No you just never get a horse as good as her. It's a shit situation. It basically punishes customers for not buying trinkets outside the game. Also unlike dlc it's a limited item. I don't understand why they don't let us get the items through dlc. As it stands you are always going to be missing armor sets without an amiibo.

And once again the reason amiibo are shitty is that the random unlockables are never consistent and/or favor others arbitrarily. I like the look of Toon Link but, oops, Epona is only on the smash Link alongside all of his clothes so if I didn't have that exact one, too bad. To say nothing of how much more random value Link would get over something like a Captain Falcon amiibo.

The idea would work better if at the very least the 'exclusive' stuff was on a store elsewhere. Like people shouldn't be able to buy a season pass and still miss all of that, I'd be fine with amiibos getting some of those bonuses as an extra incentive alongside that. But the ultimate problem there is it would not really be feasible to crossmanage all these different franchises in a similar fashion.
 
This is why I really want to know what hard mode from the expansion pass is.

If it's just more damage taken and less given then even though I plan to get the game tomorrow I won't start it till I have all the Amiibo and hard mode. That way I can use all of them but hopefully feel I haven't broken the game too much.

If it's a dramatic change with flipped world, new locations of things and different puzzles then that's worth a different playthrough.

Also I'm still pissed they never rereleased Wii Fit Trainer. She's perhaps the Amiibo whose been available the shortest amount of time in NA. Unlike others who were gone in a week or two the first time she never got a restock.

She's my second main. It sucks.

The good part with BOTW is that if you didn't know, you don't feel anything is missing at all.

Splatoon had an entire section of the hub world dedicated to Amiibo, which annoyed me at first.

Oh come on. It wasn't a section, there just was a box in the very back (farthest thing from the main tower).


I loved how the back of the box was made for the Splatoon world with its language.
 

ryseing

Member
Whenever a game comes out with amiibo functionality, people complain that it either has too much value ("dlc") or too little value (Amiibo value not worth it)

If it's the former, than give us the option to buy a $5-$10 pack. Gating cool stuff behind hard to find figures really sucks.

Intelligent Systems should do the same. I'm not looking forward to the frantic Amazon refresh to get my Alm and Celica amiibos.
 

ryseing

Member
Or restock them so at least Nintendo are the ones getting the money instead of scalpers.

Friend, their plug and play console is still hard to find. Asking for a restock of some figures is way too much to ask of this company.
 

Regiruler

Member
I think that's how they should be.

Probably my favorite one is the Shadow Mewtwo card (this would feel a little more substantial if he was harder to unlock). You get it immediately but you still have the satisfaction of unlocking him permanently when the time comes.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hell no. The only way BOTW could be better is if these were all unlockable in-game via special shrines and not locked behind expensive figurines. AC has been doing legacy outfits and equipment for years.... :| Like come on EPONA of all things is part of an Amiibo.
 
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