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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites

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Staccat0

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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I think it's easy to confuse "white supremacist" with like "a guy in the KKK" when people actually just mean "a person who is supporting or reinforcing the idea that white people should have an assumption of power or superiority."
 
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Doctor Ironic

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Altairax15 said:
Not long before (or after?) this part there are 2 black NPCs walking around and Jon says "Look at these Blacks"

Being offensive was like, part of his shtick or something, but its taken a whole new light recently
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Having a schtick where you're offensive hints to deeper personality flaws, and a lot of us have been warning against JonTron for that very reason for some time - but you can just laugh them off and post his gifs and VideoGameDunkey videos at those craaaaaaaaazy SJWs instead!

I really do wonder how low the dude has to step for people to stop being "just here for the jokes," considering he's been retweeting InfoWars on a pretty regular basis now.
 
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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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White supremacy doesn't require logic or rational thinking in the first place. It requires idiocy. He's an idiot.
 
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CrimsonGun

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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I know an Iranian that considers himself white (can't blame him he looks white to me too lol), he's probably the same way.
 
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Hierophant

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DorkLord54 said:
As someone who is of pre-Revolutionary English stock, this type of shit is disgusting. Muslims and other immigrants deserve a place here just as much as anyone else, and are part of the life bread of this country. This doesn't go into his "founding stock" comment's complete erasure of the African-American slaves and oppressed Native Americans who either helped physically build this country with their blood and sweat but were treated as property, or were exterminated to "make way" for white settlers, as others have pointed out.

Makes me thank FSM for channels like Jim Sterling, Super Bunnyhop, Errant Signal, Noah Gervais, Hbomberguy, etc. who do care about progressive values.
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i am of vegetable stock so i agree with jontron
 
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Gentleman Jack

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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This doesn't make any sense. JT is literally caping for a message of white, christian nationalism and the charge is that because he's descended from Iranians that he's not capable of white nationalism?
 
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DICKS AHOY

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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It's easier to just say he's supporting a white supremacist than have the entire discussion turn into the stupid game of semantics he wants his detractors to turn it into to avoid ever having any accountability.

Sir TapTap said:
I'm a libertarian (a real one) and I despise that pathetic weasel for pretending to be a libertarian as he handwaves "I don't care about race" as if that were "socially liberal" and 100% backing the hardcore authoritarian Trump regime. Authoritarianism is the exact fucking opposite of libertarianism. "I love irony" is not libertarianism. Libertarianism means brown people and people without dicks get rights too. Scary, huh.

Also read literally any of his recent tweets. He's only a level below White Nationalist Jon Tron already.
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The only thing I've seen approaching 'I love authoritarianism' from Colin is being more refrained from dumping on Trump during political talks than his liberal co-hosts have been. Do I agree with his more muted response and inability to really grasp why different demographics are so freaked out about this current administration? No, but twisting 'Colin gives less of a shit than his cohorts about Trump' to 'Colin loves fascism' doesn't do the discussion any favors.

Regardless, I've struggled to see much in Colin's tweets that resembles Jon's ravings, and the constant 'see for yourself' replies I get sort of make it clear there isn't a lot of concrete things to go on beyond 'he's conservative'.
 
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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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People can be dumb as fuck. Like, didn't Milo Y try cosying up to white supremacists despite being gay and Jewish?
 
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SerTapTap

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I doubt most of his fans consider Jon Tron "non-white". He passes pretty easily and clearly doesn't make any kind of deal about it. Standard "one of the good ones" self-defeating racism. Look up self hating jews, it's a well known phenomenon.

Titanoboa said:
I honestly can't believe this super aggro conversation about if Jon Tron deserves to be called "kid" or not is still going on. The guy looks like a middle schooler so people get confused. Got it.
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It became a big thing when everyone was dismissing Milo as "some kid" and he's like, 40 or something. I wouldn't yell at someone for it but they're definitely adults and it's not something they'll grow out of.
 
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Sir TapTap said:
It became a big thing when everyone was dismissing Milo as "some kid" and he's like, 40 or something. I wouldn't yell at someone for it but they're definitely adults and it's not something they'll grow out of.
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When they stop passing for "kids", their dumb shit will be passed off as "locker room banter."
 
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ScientificPizza

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Sir TapTap said:
It became a big thing when everyone was dismissing Milo as "some kid" and he's like, 40 or something. I wouldn't yell at someone for it but they're definitely adults and it's not something they'll grow out of.
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People did the same for Richard Spencer when he got punched. He was suddenly just a kid who will now never change his ways despite the fact that he is in his late 30s. Dismissing vile and dangerous ideas as childish doesn't help anything.
 
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Azuran

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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Racism and xenophobia does not require people playing devil's advocate. I don't care how someone developed those opinions. The fact that they have views like that is enough to tell me they are human garbage.
 
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AtomskEater

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:( I really liked his content, but I can't bring myself to watch recent stuff and just unsubscribed.

Theslammer said:
I don't totally disagree, but I also wouldn't know who this guy is if it weren't for this thread. JonTron/Game Grumps were both unknowns to me.
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Considering the 3 mill subscribers on youtube and 1 mill twitter followers, you might have heard about him sometime down the line from someone who wouldn't have made his shitty comments and viewpoints apparent. Better you hear about him from a thread like this and can make a more informed decision to avoid his content or engage it if you want, IMO. Just because you didn't know of him until now doesn't mean that would have continued.
 
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DICKS AHOY

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Hackworth said:
People can be dumb as fuck. Like, didn't Milo Y try cosying up to white supremacists despite being gay and Jewish?
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Milo was a blatant con-artist who made most of his money off saying whatever the highest paying bidder (in this case Brietbart, so uh, no shit it was racist/sexist as shit) wanted him to. In all honesty the dude is likely a nihilist whole say fucking anything for a quick buck, which ironically enough is what wound up publicly torpedoing his career.

Jon's just a sheltered moron with a large following who's gotten his politics from the circus of stupidity that is 'Youtube Political Commentators'.

Admiral Woofington said:
There hasn't been any confirmation they stopped interacting due thejr political beliefs has there?
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It was a combo of Jon and Suzy not remotely getting along and Jon being infamously difficult to work with, even dating back to well before he was internet famous. Jon didn't start pretending he knows how the world works until like, 2014 from what I've heard.
 
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DICKS AHOY said:
Milo was a blatant con-artist who made most of his money off saying whatever the highest paying bidder (in this case Brietbart, so uh, no shit it was racist/sexist as shit) wanted him to. In all honesty the dude is likely a nihilist whole say fucking anything for a quick buck, which ironically enough is what wound up publicly torpedoing his career.

Jon's just a sheltered moron with a large following who's gotten his politics from the circus of stupidity that is 'Youtube Political Commentators'.
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Jon's hanging out with those same people Milo hung out with. Those same GamerGaters that are good friends with Milo and have defended his pedophilia comments.

You were in the GamerGate thread and should even recognize Sargon of Akkad's name and how dangerous he is.
 
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Admiral Woofington

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DICKS AHOY said:
Milo was a blatant con-artist who made most of his money off saying whatever the highest paying bidder (in this case Brietbart, so uh, no shit it was racist/sexist as shit) wanted him to. In all honesty the dude is likely a nihilist whole say fucking anything for a quick buck, which ironically enough is what wound up publicly torpedoing his career.

Jon's just a sheltered moron with a large following who's gotten his politics from the circus of stupidity that is 'Youtube Political Commentators'.


It was a combo of Jon and Suzy not remotely getting along and Jon being infamously difficult to work with, even dating back to well before he was internet famous. Jon didn't start pretending he knows how the world works until like, 2014 from what I've heard.
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Huh. News to me. Always thought it was differences on where to take Grumps. But if isn't surprising that he would burn bridges due to his personality.
 
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DICKS AHOY

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Nanashrew said:
Jon's hanging out with those same people Milo hung out with. Those same GamerGaters that are good friends with Milo and have defended his pedophilia comments.

You were in the GamerGate thread and should even recognize Sargon of Akkad's name and how dangerous he is.
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I'm not really seeing where I argued otherwise? Sargon of Akkad falls under the banner of 'youtube political commentator'.
 
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ezekial45

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Machina said:
At risk of sounding like I'm playing devils advocate, it's hard to rationalize Jon being a white supremacist when he himself is not white by any stretch.
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Tell that to David Clarke. He's a deeply conservative and self-hating African-American police officer that hates minorities and loves spouting toxic and racist rhetoric.

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Staccat0

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Ya'll... "kid" was a poor choice of word. I reacted strongly and got defensive cuz I didn't like it being insinuated that I was defending someone so vile based off a joke. I'm sure the person I was replying to had the best intentions.

If calling him a kid normalizes him, then I think debating if he looks like a kid or not for the next 2 pages is normalization in action.
 
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Lime

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DICKS AHOY said:
Making a video where he doesn't agree with a team's response to Trump is not harassment. It's bizarre that after years of seeing angry nerds scream about feminism on youtube that somebody far more calmly just saying "Hey, I don't agree with the methods of protest this dev team is going about, why not take after this other team's method of donating to the ACLU instead?" (not to even say if I agree with him or not) is 'harassment'.

How about examples that extend beyond 'he's a conservative' and 'he used the wrong terms to describe someone he barely knew about I don't like'?

I wasn't the one that brought him up in the first place, but it's cute that not blindly agreeing he's a piece of shit counts as derailing a thread.

My point was apolitical or moderates who are easily galvanized by people appealing to their hobbies. If people are going to see this as a culture war, you could at least stand to be more aware how people you'd otherwise assume wouldn't ever give a shit about politics suddenly get recruited into swerving hard right because someone they like got called sexist. It's dumb, but it's also dumb to just assume the best way to combat this trend among younger, isolated geeks is to just tell those types to suck it up and question why your numbers are dwindling.

Political Correctness is a debate that's been raging for decades and has been lampooned by all sides of the political spectrum. Yes, it increasingly gets used by the right in recent times as a smokescreen to deflect serious discussions about inclusiveness in gaming and other media, but declaring anyone who complains about it a Gamer Gater is naive at best. Why the hell would someone in GG make a video defending Zoe Quinn and Depression Quest's right to exist anyway? Why would Colin be championing stuff like Horizon, The Last of Us and fucking Gone Home if he secretly supported GG?

I don't care about him being a liberal, I only care that he's using his platform to spread veiled bigoted shit and further entrench already misogynist parts of gaming culture with his sexist bullshit and fascist apologia.

And I pointed out that list largely boiled down to 'he has conservative viewpoints I disagree with' and some jumps in logic due to some terms hes used you don't agree with. So far the 'veiled bigoted shit' examples being given are 'PC culture is dumb' and a dumb joke that if posted by a mod on GAF on the same Woman's Day people would instantly recognize it for the dumb joke it was intended as.

Does GAF *really* not see how this looks like McCarthyism from an outsider's perspective, and just how insanely easy it is for people on the right to hop on this shit to entice kids and teens who don't know any better? Hell, Trump's already using 'McCartyhism' in his tweets, just like it took mere days for him to know to twist the 'fake news' stories into his favor among his base. I don't see how people can so easily keep falling for this.

The only legitimate point I've seen out of all of this is that Colin is bad at keeping his fanbase in check (something which I think holds true for a lot of personalities, and is what makes stuff like Jon's 1.5 million twitter followers such a daunting prospect for smaller personalities to publicly oppose his idiocy), but at this point you've already tainted the argument too much with other hyperbolic accusations that cloud the whole issue.
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I guess we are derailing, but the point is just that Colin is part of the white dude youtuber personality who is more than fine with diet bigotry and using his platform to spread ideologies that throw minorities under the bus, like JonTron and the many other examples we have. There are several instances of this behavior by Moriarty and I don't see the need to try to rationalize his alignment with far-right ideology. When being conservative/libertarian means that you're aligning yourself and reproducing the same arguments and behavior of those who hold racist and transphobic and sexist beliefs, then it should be pretty straightforward in calling a spade a spade. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

EDIT: I was just reminded of the ignorant misguided shit he said about Bolivia recently. Fuck that bigotry.
 
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Nanashrew said:
Jon's hanging out with those same people Milo hung out with. Those same GamerGaters that are good friends with Milo and have defended his pedophilia comments.

You were in the GamerGate thread and should even recognize Sargon of Akkad's name and how dangerous he is.
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It's not just Jon who had a hangout with Sargon. Boogie and Philip DeFranco had a hangout with Sargon, too.
 
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Ac30 said:
Watl, I clicked on one of the trolls on the tweet, Jennifer something who claims to live in NY and suddenly twitter is in Cyrillic

Oh shit now it's all in Cyrillic what did I do

The Russians got me
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plop ?lang=en at the end of the url and you're good
 
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Yeah, I was super disappointed when I found out that JonTron was a POS. I think it was around the GamerGate stuff. It's only gotten worse from there.

And I have to agree with the people who lament the fact that so few gaming personalities, especially on YT, don't speak up against this BS and are "neutral." If you actually cared about an issue -- and if equal rights and fair representation aren't worthy subjects, what is? -- you'd say something instead of playing buddy buddy/not wanting to "rock the boat." This false-neutrality that is either veiled or implied consent of bigotry has appeared on numerous channels, like boogie2988 and TotalBiscuit, and it just... it just sucks. It seems like the new generation of gaming personalities are largely either myopic, unsavory people, or are too scared to call said people out.
 
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Hierophant said:
i am of vegetable stock so i agree with jontron
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I bet you're really a tomato, and are just saying that since tomatoes can pass unlike apples and oranges. Damn self-hating fruits.

Realized how awkward the phrasing is and revised it to make more sense in the thread's context.
 
Kirye

Kirye

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Yeah.. it's depressing to see that someone whom I used to follow, from his show to Game Grumps and back, has such shitty hateful views. I tried to ignore it at first but eventually it just became what I saw him as any time I tried to watch one of his videos, so I unsubscribed.

Oh well, shit happens. Life goes on, there's plenty of other YouTube personalities to follow.
 
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Machina

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DyslexicAlucard said:
Yeah, I was super disappointed when I found out that JonTron was a POS. I think it was around the GamerGate stuff. It's only gotten worse from there.

And I have to agree with the people who lament the fact that so few gaming personalities, especially on YT, don't speak up against this BS and are "neutral." If you actually cared about an issue -- and if equal rights and fair representation aren't worthy subjects, what is? -- you'd say something instead of playing buddy buddy/not wanting to "rock the boat." This false-neutrality that is either veiled or implied consent of bigotry has appeared on numerous channels, like boogie2988 and TotalBiscuit, and it just... it just sucks. It seems like the new generation of gaming personalities are largely either myopic, unsavory people, or are too scared to call said people out.
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Sadly Gamergate proved that there is a healthy amount of people like this in the gaming community. Antagonizing them is probably not what your typical Youtuber wants to do. I know that isn't an excuse for outright defending shitty views, but this is their livelihood we're talking about here and is really all they have (As I understand it, Jon in particular is a high school dropout).
 
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Azuran

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DyslexicAlucard said:
Yeah, I was super disappointed when I found out that JonTron was a POS. I think it was around the GamerGate stuff. It's only gotten worse from there.

And I have to agree with the people who lament the fact that so few gaming personalities, especially on YT, don't speak up against this BS and are "neutral." If you actually cared about an issue -- and if equal rights and fair representation aren't worthy subjects, what is? -- you'd say something instead of playing buddy buddy/not wanting to "rock the boat." This false-neutrality that is either veiled or implied consent of bigotry has appeared on numerous channels, like boogie2988 and TotalBiscuit, and it just... it just sucks. It seems like the new generation of gaming personalities are largely either myopic, unsavory people, or are too scared to call said people out.
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The fact that MLK was calling out people like that says a lot.

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Moderate people when it comes to issues like sexism and racism are just as bad as the people that support them.
 
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