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Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.

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Kumquat

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Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.

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Lime

Member
Sorry, my bad, I've clearly misread your post.

My post was too short in explaining what my position, so it's mostly on me for not explaining it clearly. I was trying to say that it's totally cool be friends with someone who's different from oneself in terms of ideology, and of course people can still remain friends with other people. It's just more complicated when it comes to treating toxic and hostile people (not Colin currently, but others further extreme of him) as a normal counter-part and worthy to listen to (here I am thinking of people like Sagon, Milo, and Richard Spencer). There's varying contexts we have to consider when engaging such people who stoke the flames of hatred.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
He'll be a miss on the show. Not liking the character assassination in this thread though.

As a total bystander in all of this having no real connection or history viewing any of the work Colin has done, from my viewpoint on the chain of events, it looks far more like character suicide than assassination.

Though no doubt a number of people will still surround the guy that agree to his views, but those that don't have seemingly proper basis to criticize and certainly only he is to blame for eroding the demographic that may continue to follow his work.
 

Audioboxer

Member

To be fair I got Lime's point completely wrong, although I still think my thoughts can apply to some people veering a little too close to step 2 of this is to go after those in Colin's life. The guy is facing the consequences of all of this, career wise (and socially), I don't think there's anything good to come out of going after any of his friends to get them to pay some sort of price as well. It's different if they start posting some of what Colin did, but most are just saying best of luck, sad to see you go, or other random shit friends say to friends. Relying on twitter/FB and YT for commentary is one-sided. Privately a lot of friends will be sharing more serious thoughts with Colin.

My post was too short in explaining what my position, so it's mostly on me for not explaining it clearly. I was trying to say that it's totally cool be friends with someone who's different from oneself in terms of ideology, and of course people can still remain friends with other people.

Yeah, sorry for going off on you.
 
Well this was a surprise. So much praise on the shows in KF and the Colin Was Right new segment.

I don't really think that P.S. I Love You XOXO will work without Colin. The dynamic between the two of them is what made it work, even if I sometimes wondered about the good a third person would make.

Anyway, didn't always agree with the guy, and yes he was a bit too much on the arrogant side of things, but I always enjoyed listening to him.

Weird.
 

RoKKeR

Member
Has this been posted? Retroactive foreshadowing talk from Greg about his fear of Colin (or anybody) leaving KF... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPdKuv3obI&feature=youtu.be (Start at 13 minutes)

Colin: "Do you really worry about me leaving? I'm not gonna leave."

"I feel that if I were to ever leave that it would not be the right look for me or the right look for all of us. I would never do that to the company."

Damn.

Something changed. I honestly think it was the election and the shift in the political climate.
 

Raven117

Member
Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.

I...I...well said.

This is well reasoned and pragmatic tempered with the realities of everyday life. Just not something you see everyday on Gaf.
 
Yup. And he threw it all away not wanting to reign himself in on his Twitter shenanigans. He must have truly not cared anymore.

That's assuming that he didn't have plans a week ago, pushing buttons because he knew dividing the fanbase would help his forthcoming solo efforts. That better explains why he was happy to proof and add to the apology but went radio silent when his fans were attacking Greg and Tim for stabbing him in the back based upon it.
 
Has this been posted? Retroactive foreshadowing talk from Greg about his fear of Colin (or anybody) leaving KF... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPdKuv3obI&feature=youtu.be (Start at 13 minutes)

Colin: "Do you really worry about me leaving? I'm not gonna leave."

"I feel that if I were to ever leave that it would not be the right look for me or the right look for all of us. I would never do that to the company."

Damn.

Something changed. I honestly think it was the election and the shift in the political climate.

I remember this episode. I forgot Greg saying point blank that Colin's negativity brings him down and to stop.
 
I wasn't following them as avidly as I did six months ago, but I was still surprised when I read the news. Colin and Greg were a good team. It's hard to imagine one without the other, they always played off each other so well.
 

TheYanger

Member
No. Stop jumping to fucking conclusions.

Calling him an "Alt-right nazi" is character assassination

No, it isn't, it's hyperbolic. Character Assassination would be directly attributing him saying things he didn't say. I've not seen that once. Whether you think the things he said are as bad as what people think is totally your opinion, but them expressing theirs isn't 'character assassination'.

Everything that has happened HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THINGS HE DID AND SAID.

There is no way to make him the victim of anyone besides himself.
 

Vinc

Member
At the end of the day, I think it's fair to say that a lot of us expected this to happen. Greg's love for Batman v Superman was just too much to bear, in the end.
 

Kinsei

Banned
Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.

Not all of us.

People are judged by their words and actions. Who they choose to associate with is a part of that.
 

Lexad

Member
No, it isn't, it's hyperbolic. Character Assassination would be directly attributing him saying things he didn't say. I've not seen that once. Whether you think the things he said are as bad as what people think is totally your opinion, but them expressing theirs isn't 'character assassination'.

Everything that has happened HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THINGS HE DID AND SAID.

There is no way to make him the victim of anyone besides himself.

People have said he believes in no taxes because of his handle and don't understand the reference. Calling him alt right when he is anything but and that he supports Trump when he has expressly said he has done neither. There have been quite a few things said
 

MazeHaze

Banned
People have said he believes in no taxes because of his handle and don't understand the reference. Calling him alt right when he is anything but and that he supports Trump when he has expressly said he has done neither. There have been quite a few things said
No, people are saying he believes in no taxes because of his libertarianism, which I'm sure is a big part of his twitter handle.
 

thumb

Banned
People have said he believes in no taxes because of his handle and don't understand the reference. Calling him alt right when he is anything but and that he supports Trump when he has expressly said he has done neither. There have been quite a few things said

Right, people need to be more precise, on that we agree.

So let's be more precise.

1. Colin does not want all taxes abolished, just the income tax, as I understand it. This is a still a big deal, though a different claim.

2. Colin does not support Trump, but has stated that he does support much of his political platform. To many people, this many not be an important difference.

3. Colin is not obviously alt-right, though he did start following JonTron after he went on a racist, nationalist rant. That doesn't mean he endorses it, but it's certainly an odd choice of timing, given that Colin's politics are now a matter of public attention.
 

Icolin

Banned
Right, people need to be more precise, on that we agree.

So let's be more precise.

1. Colin does not want all taxes abolished, just the income tax, as I understand it. This is a still a big deal, though a different claim.

2. Colin does not support Trump, but has stated that he does support much of his political platform. To many people, this many not be an important difference.

3. Colin is not obviously alt-right, though he did start following JonTron after he went on a racist, nationalist rant. That doesn't mean he endorses it, but it's certainly an odd choice of timing, given that Colin's politics are now a matter of public attention.

I think Colin followed JonTron after this, not the rant.
 

Audioboxer

Member
Not all of us.

People are judged by their words and actions. Who they choose to associate with is a part of that.

Yeah, if you annex off family and have friends from a strict pool of carefully selected correct-thinking people.

The rest of us make do with the diversity life has to throw at everyone, knowing even if you curate your friends somewhat, every now and then one of them will have a difference of opinion from you, or find something funny you do not.

Not saying it can't be done, but most of us do not have the luxury of scorching the earth with everyone around us till we shrink our social circles to 1:1 copies of ourselves.
 

Servbot24

Banned
Let's also keep in mind that following someone on Twitter does not equate to supporting or associating with them. It could simply be "Woah that guy fucked up, I want to see what happens to him next."
 

Kinsei

Banned
Yeah, if you annex off family and have friends from a strict pool of carefully selected correct-thinking people.

The rest of us make do with the diversity life has to throw at everyone, knowing even if you curate your friends somewhat, every now and then one of them will have a difference of opinion from you, or find something funny you do not.

Not saying it can't be done, but most of us do not have the luxury of scorching the earth with everyone around us till we shrink our social circles to 1:1 copies of ourselves.

Not all of us have the privilege to be able to look past "small" things like racism or homophobia.
 

Some Nobody

Junior Member
Has this been posted? Retroactive foreshadowing talk from Greg about his fear of Colin (or anybody) leaving KF... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPdKuv3obI&feature=youtu.be (Start at 13 minutes)

Colin: "Do you really worry about me leaving? I'm not gonna leave."

"I feel that if I were to ever leave that it would not be the right look for me or the right look for all of us. I would never do that to the company."

Damn.

Something changed. I honestly think it was the election and the shift in the political climate.

I wonder how much of him quitting had to do w/the fallout from this past week at all. KF is doing more in terms of being in front of crowds, and Colin wasn't really big on that. It was certainly an inciting incident, but it also makes me wonder if it didn't cause him to look at other things and evaluate his place on the show. You think "Colin and Greg" when you think Kinda Funny, but at most of the shows where there are presentations and large crowds it ends up being "Tim and Greg". There's no way that wasn't weighing on his mind.

Combine that with a growing frustration with gaming and yeah I guess him quitting makes "sense".
 

sasliquid

Member
Well, I am a former Democrat turned Libertarian who went through that process while earning a Masters degree in Political Science. Oh, and I'm Jewish as well. Feel free to engage me via PM if you wish to engage in a debate about the error of your statements.

Um good for you? I was a centrist who turned further left because I studied Climate Change at Masters level and read some books.

I serverly doubt you will convince me the free markets all that good since it's done near to nothing about Climate Change. But again this is off topic.
 
Has this been posted? Retroactive foreshadowing talk from Greg about his fear of Colin (or anybody) leaving KF... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPdKuv3obI&feature=youtu.be (Start at 13 minutes)

Colin: "Do you really worry about me leaving? I'm not gonna leave."

"I feel that if I were to ever leave that it would not be the right look for me or the right look for all of us. I would never do that to the company."

Damn.

Something changed. I honestly think it was the election and the shift in the political climate.

So... He became "truly miserable"?

Not sure if that's it.
 

Icolin

Banned
Has this been posted? Retroactive foreshadowing talk from Greg about his fear of Colin (or anybody) leaving KF... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPdKuv3obI&feature=youtu.be (Start at 13 minutes)

Colin: "Do you really worry about me leaving? I'm not gonna leave."

"I feel that if I were to ever leave that it would not be the right look for me or the right look for all of us. I would never do that to the company."

Damn.

Something changed. I honestly think it was the election and the shift in the political climate.

Damn. Nice catch.
 

Kinsei

Banned
Who called racism and homophobia small things

Well the original post I quoted was to defend Neil for being friends with Colin which would require looking past his unsavory parts (like the racism).

I threw in homophobia because the people that say "Don't reject people for their opinions" also use that as a defense for being friends with homophobes too.
 
Well the original post I quoted was to defend Neil for being friends with Colin which would require looking past his unsavory parts (like the racism).

I threw in homophobia because the people that say "Don't reject people for their opinions" also use that as a defense for being friends with homophobes too.

Except Colin isn't a racist or a homophobe.
 

nynt9

Member
Right, people need to be more precise, on that we agree.

So let's be more precise.

1. Colin does not want all taxes abolished, just the income tax, as I understand it. This is a still a big deal, though a different claim.

2. Colin does not support Trump, but has stated that he does support much of his political platform. To many people, this many not be an important difference.

3. Colin is not obviously alt-right, though he did start following JonTron after he went on a racist, nationalist rant. That doesn't mean he endorses it, but it's certainly an odd choice of timing, given that Colin's politics are now a matter of public attention.

On point 2, he said that he does not support Trump actively, but give a choice between Hillary and Trump, he'd vote for Trump. In the primaries he voted Kasich.
 

Bolivar687

Banned
I wasn't following them as avidly as I did six months ago, but I was still surprised when I read the news. Colin and Greg were a good team. It's hard to imagine one without the other, they always played off each other so well.

I agree. I sympathize with them having different visions for what they want to do going forward but I just don't see either endeavor being as compelling as the chemistry they have when they're together. Tim seems like a good guy and Nick is really good at what he does but let's be honest - the draw for the majority of the audience was always Colin & Greg.
 

thumb

Banned
colin still crying on twitter

jezus man...

I'm aware that this isn't all about Colin's "joke," but what I don't quite get about his response is that he doesn't seem to acknowledge any context. The gaming community was roiled by the misogynistic gamergate movement, and the industry is only now starting to come to terms with its male biases. And in the US, the rise of Donald Trump has given further fuel to sexism. So at this time, in this industry is where he decides to broadcast a boring, sexist joke to the world? And then is astonished at the negative reaction he receives?

I think I expected better.
 

ByWatterson

Member
Is this the dude who said one time that The Simpsons has never been a good show??


Well.......... bye.gif

That one is just insane. The Simpsons in its heyday was the smartest, most earnest, most consistent, and plain funniest show on television. It's difficult to take seriously anyone's opinion who thinks The Simpsons was NEVER good. I mean...just come the hell on.
 

jay

Member
Yeah, if you annex off family and have friends from a strict pool of carefully selected correct-thinking people.

The rest of us make do with the diversity life has to throw at everyone, knowing even if you curate your friends somewhat, every now and then one of them will have a difference of opinion from you, or find something funny you do not.

Not saying it can't be done, but most of us do not have the luxury of scorching the earth with everyone around us till we shrink our social circles to 1:1 copies of ourselves.

Your posts generally seem like liberal let's tolerate intolerance pablum. I remember arguing with you about how it would be wrong to punch a Klansman so I guess this all fits.
 

ironmang

Member
I agree. I sympathize with them having different visions for what they want to do going forward but I just don't see either endeavor being as compelling as the chemistry they have when they're together. Tim seems like a good guy and Nick is really good at what he does but let's be honest - the draw for the majority of the audience was always Colin & Greg.

Pretty much. They're what brought me to KF and I kind of branched off to the other shows from there. Unless they find a good replacement and honestly a 3rd chair, rotating or not, to fill the void on PSILY I doubt I'll be following KF at all going forward.
 
Are you guys kidding me right now? 78 pages on Colin's personal life?

1) Congrats to the people who broke up the kindafunny gang, I really hope it works out for you all. I'm glad you had enough time in your own lives to accomplish this.

2) Congrats to Colin, he'll make way more money talking politics than he ever will talking about video games.

3) Move on with your lives. It's over. Go find some other internet personality to attack, because that's what is hip these days right?
 
Are you guys kidding me right now? 78 pages on Colin's personal life?

1) Congrats to the people who broke up the kindafunny gang, I really hope it works out for you all. I'm glad you had enough time in your own lives to accomplish this.

2) Congrats to Colin, he'll make way more money talking politics than he ever will talking about video games.


3) Move on with your lives. It's over. Go find some other internet personality to attack, because that's what is hip these days right?

Why did you make two points congratulating the same person?
 

Audioboxer

Member
Not all of us have the privilege to be able to look past "small" things like racism or homophobia.

I don't think anyone should look past those at all, but I'm not quite sure Colin is blatantly guilty of either. I think it's also clear what Colin was guilty of, a sexist joke, DID get called out by his closest friends at KF. That's where I think most of us can say to our friends or family you've said or done something shitty, it wasn't wise, and then still manage to be friends after. Of course, some friends in your life, and family members can do things that awful you DO leave them behind. I'm not so certain Colin is quite there yet, but then again I do find it hard to make that judgement considering he's not my friend, and I'm relying on the KF crew and someone like Neil who clearly still communicate with him, to make a judgement.

Your posts generally seem like liberal let's tolerate intolerance pablum. I remember arguing with you about how it would be wrong to punch a Klansman so I guess this all fits.

If you say so (I do not remember arguing about Klansmen? but I am against political violence), but I would question whether or not some in this topic are guilty of not staying so rigid to their all or nothing remarks in regards to friends. Do you really have zero family members and friends in your contact that you don't argue with, disagree with, and challenge on social/political issues? I mean, is GAF really the only place you come up against diversified behaviour and opinion? I really don't think that's the case, at all. Although you can tell me about yourself personally.

Are you guys kidding me right now? 78 pages on Colin's personal life?

1) Congrats to the people who broke up the kindafunny gang, I really hope it works out for you all. I'm glad you had enough time in your own lives to accomplish this.

2) Congrats to Colin, he'll make way more money talking politics than he ever will talking about video games.

3) Move on with your lives. It's over. Go find some other internet personality to attack, because that's what is hip these days right?

Colin done the 1st point himself. 2nd point it's always nicer to see someone chase passion rather than money, but ultimately who cares what you make if it's enough to pay the bills and then some? (psychologically money doesn't buy happiness, it's often agreed the height of worth of money is as I said, being comfortable by being able to pay bills and live modestly). 3rd point, the topic has morphed more into a catch-all for opinions around Colin, politics in general, and GAFers debating other GAFers.
 
Are you guys kidding me right now? 78 pages on Colin's personal life?

1) Congrats to the people who broke up the kindafunny gang, I really hope it works out for you all. I'm glad you had enough time in your own lives to accomplish this.

2) Congrats to Colin, he'll make way more money talking politics than he ever will talking about video games.

3) Move on with your lives. It's over. Go find some other internet personality to attack, because that's what is hip these days right?

Come on man. Let's not pretend that Colin's actions had nothing to do with this. His own coworkers denounced his tweet.
 
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