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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2017 (Mar 06 - Mar 12)

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thestopsign

Member
Calm Mind said:
I don't know if ethomaz has everyone on edge or people are ignoring the obviousness of my post.
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It wasn't super obvious but the second time I looked I figured out what you were trying to do. In case you guys didn't know, the Switch is going to fall behind the PS4 at the rate it's going. Already falling behind in weekly sales in the 2nd week!
 
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Vinnk

Member
dracula_x said:
They can. But the truth is – there's no huge demand for PSVR. And it's cheaper to produce 200k units at once in every 2 months (it's example, because I don't know exact number) than 25k units per week. That's why it's "sold-out"
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I guess maybe Sony is lying...

Andrew House, President and Global CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment. “We are increasing production to meet demand and will continuously support content developers as they create innovative VR experiences that are only possible on PlayStation.
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https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2017/170227.html

"You literally have people lining up outside stores when they know stock is being replenished," House said, describing shortages in Japan.
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http://www.wired.co.uk/article/sony-playstation-vr-near-1m-units

And Japanese consumers

Hundreds of Japanese gamers lined up to buy PlayStation VR in Japan today. As we're sure you know, the headset launched last year in the region, but similarly to the rest of the world, it's been out of stock for months now. Sony's done such an awful job meeting demand that many people waited outside major retailers overnight for a chance to buy the device – a purchase wasn't even guaranteed.
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http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017/01/hundreds_line_up_for_playstation_vr_restock_in_japan



But tell me more.

I agree with you. When a company can't meet demand there is no explanation other than incompetence.
 
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Gotdatmoney

Member
ethomaz said:
That is true too.

But I don't think period/date affect launch... launch sales are not affected by holidays in my view... that is why I don't consider the launch as first holiday for consoles released in November.
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I think launch in the holidays inflates numbers generally because manufucturers put more effort into stuffing the channels since consoles are much easier buys during the holiday season. Something like 40% of gross sales occur in Nov/Dec in thenUS and Canada for example.

But I agree with you that it's overstated even if it is relevant. The last 4 hardware launches in Japan all pulled in roughly the same range of units week 1. I still think the actual launch is conservative because of how bad the WiiU launch was. It's very possible Nintendo just lost retailer faith also.
 
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Jpop

Unconfirmed Member
Jacobson said:
the DS is the number 2 best selling console of all time with 150+ million units sold. kinda unfair to compare it with that
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He isn't comparing it to the DS, he is pointing out that a console can sell a relatively high amount on a week to week basis but still be supply constrained/sold-out.
 
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thestopsign

Member
Jacobson said:
the DS is the number 2 best selling console of all time with 150+ million units sold. kinda unfair to compare it with that
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You missed his point. He was saying that a system can be sold out no matter how well it is selling on a week to week basis. Ethomaz was saying the Switch could not be sold out because it sold 62k this week, while the DS was sold out while consistently selling 100k+ for an extended period of time.
 
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Nibel

Member
Ghost Recon outselling KH doesn't feel right
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Jacobson

Member
thestopsign said:
You missed his point. He was saying that a system can be sold out no matter how well it is selling on a week to week basis. Ethomaz was saying the Switch could not be sold out because it sold 62k this week, while the DS was sold out while consistently selling 100k+ for an extended period of time.
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well, in my defense, he wasn't quoting anybody so i wasn't sure of the context lol
 
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Vinnk

Member
dracula_x said:
Just PR, nothing more.
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So it's not sold out? I mean it is. Like it really is.

Then again I am not even sure what point you are trying to make anymore.

If Nintendo can't keep a popular product in stock it's incompetence?

If Sony can't it's a business decision?

What am I missing?
 
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L~A

Member
PSVR stock in Japan is a bit of a weird affair. Restocks are few and far between, and they rarely last very long, at least from what I've read from people living there (and this thread, obviously). They seem to be incredibly cautious, despite there being a sizeable demand.

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14./16. [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.12.01} (¥4.700) - 6.009 / 989.876 (-15%)
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Looks like 1m is to be reached by the end of the month.
 
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Rob2K19

Member
1.5+2.5 are where I expected it to be. Was hoping to see 2.8 in the top 20, but I hope it is in the top 30 on Famitsu.

Also, of course it is in the #2 spot. 1.5 & 2.5 were as well. Only 2.8 could break the curse due to 0.2 BBS. Translation: Aqua.
 
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casiopao

Member
Wow. When Stock is sold out, Nintendo is bad.

When the item is left on the store forever, Nintendo is also bad.

While for Sony, everything is a okay lol.^^

Sir_Crocodile said:
Speaking of stock, what's happening to the PS4Pro? Is it still out of stock?
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No problem. It is just PR talk.^^ No one want PS4Pro. So it is okay to be out of stock.^^
 
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Principate

Saint Titanfall
ethomaz said:
I can be wrong but eBay units are counted by MC because they were bought from retail already.

E.g. I go on store and buy 10 Switch to sell overpriced at eBay... it is already counted as sold.
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You might as well stop saying PS4 was sold out at launch. Because by your own "criteria" it factually wasn't.
 
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Zedark

Member
dracula_x said:
I already explained that. Demand is not that big, so production is limited.




Yes.

Especially if it's a really popular product.
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But demand is high for PSVR! The PSVR units sell out in Japan the moment they are brought in. Either PSVR shipments are a massive fuck up or there is, contrary to your assertion, more to it than just putting units out mindlessly.
 
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Gotdatmoney

Member
dracula_x said:
Yes.

Especially if it's a really popular product.
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Eh it depends on the product and the market stratgey. Similar to PSVR keeping the product largely in stock may not be a priority. That doesnt imply it's incompetence.

The NES classic was not a product design to be a major revenue source. I dunnp why people keep hammering this point. Brand awareness in a down holiday season and retailer relations may have been nore important than banking on a $60 emulation console.

I don't get why that is hard to grasp.
 
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KillerMan91

Member
Vinnk said:
So it's not sold out? I mean it is. Like it really is.

Then again I am not even sure what point you are trying to make anymore.

If Nintendo can't keep a popular product in stock it's incompetence?

If Sony can't it's a business decision?

What am I missing?
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You are comparing expensive accessory to whole new console. While I don't deny that after WiiU launch it was right call for Nintendo to be little conservative with launch shipments that doesn't change the fact that for modern console with modern manufacturing processes 2 million is not really that huge launch quarter shipment. Especially for WW launch. All PS4, Xbone, WiiU and 3DS had over 3 million launch quarters and PS4 could have sold millions more with enough supply (and wasn't even launched in Japan).
 
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Vinnk

Member
dracula_x said:
I already explained that. Demand is not that big, so production is limited.
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Source?

Especially if it's a really popular product.
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Like the Playstation VR.

...

But I am not actually arguing the Sony is an incompetent company, I was showing the fallacy of using that logic. My point is that there are realities to business. As you pointed out Sony may find that it is in their best interests to do fewer production runs. Nintendo may have decided that flooding the market after the failure of the Wii U was too risky. What I and others were jumping on was that without any of us understanding all aspects of this business it seems unjustified to just keep throwing out the word "incompetent". Maybe they are incompetent? Time will tell. But at week 2 it seems very premature.
 
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dracula_x

Member
Zedark said:
But demand is high for PSVR! The PSVR units sell out in Japan the moment they are brought in. Either PSVR shipments are a massive fuck up or there is, contrary to your assertion, more to it than just putting units out mindlessly.
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Is it? Or maybe it's because they didn't restock PSVR units at all in weeks.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
CircusOfClouds said:
https://gamewith.jp/gamedb/article/show/43620
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So, updated today March 15th.
Switch availability:

My Nintendo Store - After March 27th, once preparations are done, orders planned to open again
Amazon.jp - no management at the moment
Rakuten - order not possible
Bic Camera - sold out
Joshinweb - sales stopped
Nojima Online shop - the next shipment will be informed via Twitter
Ito-Yokado Net - no stock
Seven Net Shopping - March 24th planned stock, pre-orders alteady closed
Tsutaya - no stock
Suruga-ya - pre-orders closed
ToysRus - March 19th planned stock, pre-orders closed
Wowma for Au - sold out
 
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Vinnk

Member
dracula_x said:
Is it? Or maybe it's because they didn't restock PSVR units at all in weeks.
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Yes, not restocking would indeed create demand. When more people want to buy a product than a product exists that is demand as defined by economics. If the demand continues to exceed the available supply, prices rise. When a used Playstation VR sells for $200 more than a new one, a reasonable person can assume that demand is quite high.
 
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Jpop

Unconfirmed Member
MediaCrate already becoming unpalatable due to new console launch.

It was the best of times... It was the worst of times...
 
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Mario007

Member
Vinnk said:
From the last thread.



Nope. Pretty sure the clueless people are more annoying.
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Not really this will go away after a day or two. The previous thread had whinning over not yet happened event for about four day.

Btw it's ridiculously small shipment from Nintendo. It basically estimated the Switch to sell worse than the Wii U.
 
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Jpop

Unconfirmed Member
Mario007 said:
Not really this will go away after a day or two. The previous thread had whinning over not yet happened event for about four day.

Btw it's ridiculously small shipment from Nintendo. It basically estimated the Switch to sell worse than the Wii U.
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Holiday vs slow season launch.
 
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Oregano

Member
Switch is such a flop that retailers are refusing to stock it already obviously!

Kresnik258 said:
I too am genuinely surprised there are 61k new Switches in Japan this week after all the reports I read. A lot more than I expected really.

Minecraft Vita hasn't returned, oh no. Wonder if it'll ever be back. Hopefully in the summer months.

We're definitely in the twilight of the console though, this is the kinda sales PSP was hitting then it had one final year where it was selling like ~ 1k a week then it went. A shame.

Also, SRWVPS4 seems to be legging better than the Vita version too, which is the final nail in the coffin as the handheld versions tended to sell better over longer periods (although it's still pulled in a very nice proportion of overall sales, so there's a bit of life left yet).
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It will be interesting to see if the switch version of Minecraft has any effect.
 
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Vinnk

Member
dracula_x said:
Isn't that obvious?

Less than 1 million units in 4-5 months.

And it's even worse for HTC Vive or Oculus Rift. VR is still a very niche product, if you didn't notice.
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OK, Let me see if I have this correct.

VR in general is not selling not selling well.

Sony is spinning it as selling well.

From the same article you linked: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...98/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-VeycHaBU_QYDKvmt_4oKxw

"You literally have people lining up outside stores when they know stock is being replenished," House tells the Times of the response in Japan.
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It is sold out and there is noted demand but it makes sense for Sony to not meet that demand.

But when Nintendo does not meet demand..

Sorry, I guess it isn't that obvious.
 
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Emhemed

Member
05./03. [NSW] 1-2-Switch <ETC> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 20.746 / 100.282 (-74%)
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I wonder if 1-2 Switch will show the same kind of legs Wii sports & Wii play did, it has the potential to be a system seller. How's it compared to other Nintendo "legged" franchises ?
 
ethomaz

ethomaz

Banned
PSVR and Pro is a big fail for Sony in terms of shipment.

Are there any expensive part or hard to manufacture? I remember PS3 was hard to produce because the Blu-ray laser.
 
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Vinnk

Member
Emhemed said:
I wonder if 1-2 Switch will show the same kind of legs Wii sports & Wii play did, it has the potential to be a system. How's it compared to other Nintendo "legged" franchises ?
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Not doing nearly as well as the Wii ____ Series.

But it might surprise us. It was/is the most heavily advertised game. And some of my wife's friends refer to the console as the "1 2 Switch".

Personally, as much as I enjoy the title, I find it a lot more shallow than Wii Sports. My friends and I had a great time with it, but less that 2 weeks later we are kind of over it.
 
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RamzaIsCool

The Amiga Brotherhood
Vinnk said:
Japan potentially having a more robust and diverse console market is ruffling feathers.
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That's kind of weird stance to have imo, it's either a lose-lose or win-win situation. For example me personally will probably never own a Switch, but i certainly hope it will do great in Japan. A matter of fact I am counting on the Switch/ PS4 combo to push Japanese developers over the edge to make console games. The state of the Japanese console market isn't the place for this console war nonsense. Either it get's to a respectable place or we all lose out on games (probably to the mobile market).
 
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Tonyx

Member
Emhemed said:
I wonder if 1-2 Switch will show the same kind of legs Wii sports & Wii play did, it has the potential to be a system seller. How's it compared to other Nintendo "legged" franchises ?
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Only if the price decreases *a lot*.

The more games come out for the Switch the less likely it will be for someone to even think paying that price for.. well.. that thing.
 
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jonno394

Member
Emhemed said:
I wonder if 1-2 Switch will show the same kind of legs Wii sports & Wii play did, it has the potential to be a system seller. How's it compared to other Nintendo "legged" franchises ?
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I think it will do well. It's one of those where it really will depend on the amount of hardware there is to go round. This week 1 2 Switch sold about 33% of the number of Switch's. I wager that's a percentage we might see repeating going forward where a subsection of people are buying Switch's just for that game.
 
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