Then I think you are selfish. You are /guaranteed/ risking the access of future generations to classic artwork. In exchange, you maybe, unquantifyiably, marginally, increase your access to new artwork.
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Eurogamer: BotW running on CEMU showing remarkable progress
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Then I think you are selfish. You are /guaranteed/ risking the access of future generations to classic artwork. In exchange, you maybe, unquantifyiably, marginally, increase your access to new artwork.
Good work!
Yes, you can potentially pirate the WiiU Version on PC, like you can potentially pirate most of the games released on the PC too. -And I hope you're not asking for download links cause that would cross the line.
I mean it doesnt really matter what i say or write - the development is already and its happening. The same way many people can be happy about being able to play BotW without owning the console or in a better way...i should be allowed to have mixed feeling about new console games being emulated this fast and being used to promote/finance emulators.
At the same time the development is obv. impressive - as said its not all black and white. Both sides of the arguments seem to be overly sensitive though.
Fried Food
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Any way to transfer my wiiu save?
Sylverstone14
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LMAO, so you're saying the preservation of old games is more important than the creation of new games? I guess we'll have to disagree on that.
The idea that people shouldn't be able to have a method of entertaining themselfs because they can't afford it even if it could be provided to them at no actual cost, is.
But i realize that trying to have an argument in this thread is pointless anyways, so that's gonna be by last post in here.
Zurick
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I don't think that's what he said at all. He was replying to an extreme.
mr teaspoon
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Well, my first thought is, "Who are you to determine what amount of lost sales is acceptable?" Obviously piracy is not going to reduce the sales to 0.
From my point of view, it's Nintendo's property. If they want to make the game, hype the game, and then decide to lock it in a vault and never let anyone play it for 100 years, that's their right. Because it's theirs. No different from the merchandise in a grocery or clothing store being the property of that company. It won't bankrupt my local grocery store if I walk in and say, 'Apples 2 for $1? No, I don't think that'll do at all. Think I'll just Robin Hood this baby.' That doesn't mean that that's okay to do.
See, that does nothing for me. That's like saying 'The front door is already broken down. People can just walk right in and steal that TV anyways. So it's okay if I do it.'
Who´s Nintendo? Iwata was the president, so he must be considered part of Nintendo. But he actively participated in a lot of projects, so he can also be considered a creator. Miyamoto has been working for more than 30 years there and is on a high position, he makes a good Nintendo representative. But he´s a creator also, so he can´t be considered part of Nintendo then. You get the idea. You can look at Nintendo as this evil corporate that throws money at some poor enslaved developers and profits from their work, but that doesn´t paint the whole picture.
Don´t also forget to also buy a WiiU, in case you don´t already own one.
Yup, i.e. saviine can do that just fine.
I can't tell if this is satire. I'm not kidding, I honestly can't.
If you get rid of capitalism, art would suffer and the quality would go down. Plus the amount invested in making something like BotW would have to be less because your incentive to do a good job disappears.
People committed to capitalism have it correct buddy.
Your arguments are simply absurd.
Eolz
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I'm a bit more surprised that it's not frowned upon tbh.
Yes, if your PC is good enough.
Yes.
And yes.
I haven't seen anybody arguing that here.
This argument isn't always true though. I have a friend that I know I could talk into getting a Switch for Zelda but he's not buying a system now because he can pirate Zelda.
Teletraan1
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Snitches get Switches.
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This is interesting.
I wonder if dycrypting a game to run it on a different platform is illegal in the UK. Probably is. The programs do it automatically afaik when you backup your game.
This is interesting.
I wonder if dycrypting a game to run it on a different platform is illegal in the UK. Probably is. The programs do it automatically afaik when you backup your game.
Phrozenflame500
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DISCLAIMER: Haven't used CEMU specifically
Normally the way this works is that while the Emulator is available for everyone to download, in order to actually play games you need both the specific game files as well as sometimes files from the console OS itself both of which Nintendo isn't shy of enforcing copyright for. There are programs that allow you to dump these files from your personal disc/the consoles yourself, but inevitably these files find their way to the internet one way or another anyway (although not normally hosted by the emulator developers though for legal reasons).
Crossing Eden
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Can we please not get another CEMU Zelda thread locked because of concern over piracy. ಠ_ಠ Genuinely interested in the possibilities of what's possible with the emulator.
about that
That's comparing two different versions of CEMU. Also the fps difference could be due to other factors like how long has that explosion effect been on screen, how many enemies there are etc.
I'm going to need to see some receipts RE: people claiming that it runs better on Wii U emulator than on Switch. Is CEMU emulating the Wii U at a higher clock speed? That's the only way that they would be able to improve its performance over actual Wii U hardware.
This is not true. The emulator isn't 100% accurate and it can run the game at a much smoother framerate. Maybe not 60fps but definitely a locked 30.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Nah, I'm under no obligation to buy old, outdated, bad, half baked hardware.
Buying the physical copy as substitution for a license + cemu works fine for me.
But if the crux of the issue is "less copies sold = less reasons to continue making those games" then Nintendo is also at fault for ignoring a market with very high demand.
You just don't understand them is all.
The only "absurd" thing is to complain about how sales of copies affect production but then defend the very entity that is artificially limiting sales of copies.
oh, ok. Fair enough I suppose. I somewhat misinterpreted then...
Someone said they'd rather play on the Wii U since that way their money would go to the creators, implying (and doubling down afterwards) that because someone played it on the emulator, their money wouldn't go to them.
Edit: See http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232554945&postcount=207
LordOcidax
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Actually... Both sides have fair point of views.. piracy is real in this type of thing and the preservation thing too... so the grey area is pretty big and everybody here knows that. The discussion is totally worth it.
I'm saying the latter is doing just fine and the former is at risk. And getting rid of emulation would damn preservation with no known, quantified benefit.
As someone who owns the Wii U, owns BotW for the Wii U, and has a nice library (backlog) of retail and digital Wii U titles (all official), the hand-wringing about the existence/development of an emulator sounds distinctly off-topic to me. It's distracting from the topic, it's not a concern particular to this topic, and the aside from the existence of game piracy in the broadest sense, the legal aspect isn't in question. The false choice of "emulation OR supporting official releases" is so transparent that it's frustrating to see the simpleminded attempt to foist that on others.
I'm stoked about being able to replay an improved version of BotW down the road on my gaming PC. I have a 1070 in part for things just like this. And yes, my desire is stronger because Nintendo's hardware strategies result in technically deficient platforms for their otherwise brilliant software.
I'm stoked about being able to replay an improved version of BotW down the road on my gaming PC. I have a 1070 in part for things just like this. And yes, my desire is stronger because Nintendo's hardware strategies result in technically deficient platforms for their otherwise brilliant software.
Translation: "I have no idea how emulation works".
NoMoreTrolls
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I haven't used CEMU yet, but I have a moral question. I own the Switch version of BotW, not the Wii U one. If I borrowed my friend's Wii U version to rip and play on my PC, is that "piracy"? Is it "wrong" for me to want to play the game I own on my PC from an alternate platform?
The pic on top is from actual Wii U gameplay. The two below are CEMU and run better, don't know how more of a receipt you need, honestly.
Not advocating theft is elitism now?
darkistheway
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We're all just jealous that it's only Nintendo hardware that can be emulated.
No. Go start a thread discussing it. Stop polluting other threads with concern trolling and other nonsense, because that is what inevitably happens. Honestly I don't think the mods would have a problem if people didn't resort to the bullshit arguments that they do.
People say that CEMU performance is largely based on single core CPU clock speed. Not sure how much having a beefy GPU will help you.
You could also just subscribe to the big CEMU GAF thread for all the latest developments.
I have BOTW on Wii U, and a Wii U, I paid for both.
I took the data from the disc I bought and put it on my PC to play in 4K.
I am a thief?
Generalization when touching the subject of emulation is very, very toxic. People need to stop this.
Steve Youngblood
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I can boil down my argument by succinctly stating that it's much more convincing to me if one can articulate what the actual negative impact of this is and not the theoretical negative impact. Like if I someone shows a stat that says "10 million people downloaded this game!" and concludes "that's 10 million lost sales!" I'm going to look at them very incredulously. That's an absurd conclusion to draw. What's potentially of interest is trying to ascertain how many of those 10 million were potential customers that will now no longer buy the game. And I realize that it's impossible to pinpoint a precise figure there. But there has to be a good faith effort at understanding who is downloading the game and whether or not they might have conceivably bought the software to begin with before we start trying to ascertain specific negative impact.
When I read this, I feel like you must be responding to someone else given that that's not like anything I'm saying.
No it isn't. The top image is from Wii U. The bottom images are from CEMU
you can, but downloading a game you dont own is illegal so dont do that.
Is it morally wrong to borrow a console and a game? Nah. Ninty would prefer if you don't, but they aren't the moral arbiters of your life.
badcrumble
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The upper screen is the Wii U's framerate, the lower two are cemu.
RoadHazard
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Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.
No idea what the hell my avatar has to do with anything. What "good fight"? I've been almost exclusively a PS3/4 gamer since my Wii started collecting dust many years ago. The Wii U I completely skipped, and I only now got back on the Nintendo train because of BotW. Buuuuuut I guess if you have a Mii avatar (even one that's supposed to look a bit like a Helghast) you have to be part of the Nintendo Army.
That's really up to you to decide. You purchased the game so to me there isn't anything morally wrong with doing that but some people might have a hissy fit over it.
I'd argue some sales are lost but in the grand scheme they're so small as to be irrelevant next to the millions of copies sold. Piracy only becomes an issue when it's something as braindead simple as a widely available $30 cart + a $10 SD card with roms that you can plug into your system (2000s Nintendo DS piracy situation). With CEMU, you'll need a pretty high-end Windows PC and some know-how. Worst-case tens of thousands pirate a game that maybe some would have bought if this emulator didn't exist.
I'm participating in the discussion, not mindlessly "complaining about piracy" nor thread shitting/whining/pointing fingers at anyone, which is what you are doing now. Back off.
Discussing these valid concerns in a seperate topic is fine. Shitting up every single thread about emulation no matter what is not and should be handled appropiately.
Phrozenflame500
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I think it might be "legally" wrong, but from a moral standpoint you already paid Ninty their dues so I struggle to have any moral objection to it.
Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+
You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.
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