FallingEdge
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Yeah the charging​ for parking started in January. It has been a disaster.
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The retail apocalypse has officially descended on America
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Yeah the charging​ for parking started in January. It has been a disaster.
PeakPointMatrix
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This retail apocalypse, automation and self driving cars/trucks paint a horrendous picture for the job future of America. I don't know how we'll survive something on that scale.
grafcheyne
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It really is. He always opens up the videos with 80s height of American consumerism advertising and then follows up with depressing as shit video of the present day mall. I find it really effective in presenting that idea that we're in an age of decay. I know online shopping has had a lot to do with the decline of the indoor mall, but of course the dwindling of the middle class has accelerated the demise.
https://youtu.be/C_-cBLQlB-A
The Horror the horror
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These things happen in cycles.
Amazon is presently buying up warehouses and real estate for their online business, fundamental acquisitions in the b&m retail business. Eventually, they might choose to customize these warehouses that are filled with goods to include customer pick-ups or self checkout services to curb shipping expenses from their traditional business and property taxes. With these changes, they'll need service employees to man them, then so much for the death of retail.
Amazon is presently buying up warehouses and real estate for their online business, fundamental acquisitions in the b&m retail business. Eventually, they might choose to customize these warehouses that are filled with goods to include customer pick-ups or self checkout services to curb shipping expenses from their traditional business and property taxes. With these changes, they'll need service employees to man them, then so much for the death of retail.
...did you just never go to Springfield Mall before it shut down?
Even prior to the mixing bowl in the late '90s/early '00s it was decimated.
The Springfield reboot has been pretty successful. Place is always packed (not as much as Tysons, though). We'll see how the Landmark Mall redevelopment goes -- that place was always worse off than Springfield.
Spingfield's location was at least good for people to get to, but with Fair Oaks, Potomac, and Tyson's, it wasn't offering anything. Landmark's always been in a terrible location.
Those unaffected won't care because they saved money buying online. They might start caring though when their future kids have nowhere to work.
Are you saying it's the consumers fault for going in the direction that is cheaper and more convenient?
My local Sears got rid of my local Sears.
I completely blame Walmart, not Amazon.
They just murder every community around them. They do everything a mall does but cheaper with less walking.
There is literally no reason to go to any of those other stores besides a few very niche things they offer that walmart doesn't (game trade-ins at gamestop for example). Those things aren't enough of an incentive to consistently bring in regular customers though, and convince them to waste the gas. Walmart does have such a thing, it's grocery department, which nearly always beats the living shit out of every local grocery store in prices and selection. Smartest move a retailer ever made honestly.
They just murder every community around them. They do everything a mall does but cheaper with less walking.
There is literally no reason to go to any of those other stores besides a few very niche things they offer that walmart doesn't (game trade-ins at gamestop for example). Those things aren't enough of an incentive to consistently bring in regular customers though, and convince them to waste the gas. Walmart does have such a thing, it's grocery department, which nearly always beats the living shit out of every local grocery store in prices and selection. Smartest move a retailer ever made honestly.
Why are you being all sad about this? Malls have never been an adequate replacement for the places kids should be hanging out and socializing: after school programs, volunteer work, school sports and community youth centers. Even public libraries are better because some have youth initiatives. Malls ARE the poor replacement that cropped up in recent decades. They're trash.
I would like a Wal-Mart that sold good electronics and had employees who would talk to me.
Maybe where you live. Walmart isn't as competitive in that arena around me.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I do wonder what they will do with all the abandoned structures from all this.
I always wanted to take like a closed circuit city and convert it into a SE asian style food hawker stall place. Alot of side business for people, selling only a few dishes, hehe.
I always wanted to take like a closed circuit city and convert it into a SE asian style food hawker stall place. Alot of side business for people, selling only a few dishes, hehe.
bengraven
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CVS feels like walking into an old folks home. Walgreens feels like a tiny department store.
Plus the awesome Marvel Legends exclusives.
One or both of these stores charges the most insane prices for everything in the store.
I swear you could buy shampoo and some cokes and end up spending $20.
bengraven
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Where I come from our local grocery is actually killing Walmart on the food side. Our HyVee is all foods, including a huge resteratunt/buffet, and yet the place is packed. They even built their larger store across from Walmart and they're parking lot is twice as full.
And this is a town of just 13,000 that lost dozens of mom and pop stores and gas stations when super Walmart came there in 2000.
SoundPulse
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As long as Doctor's keep passing out prescriptions like they are Christmas candy Walgreens will be just fine.
Amazon is too freaking good. You know what you want you get a list of different versions at different prices from multiple sources. And lots of times it's free/cheap shipping. Why would anyone drive to a store, waste gas/time, get other crap pushed on them, then carry all the stuff back? Fuck that. I'm also getting into groceries on Amazon so it looks like super markets are next,
Not that it needs confirming, but I can confirm that this is the case in my town at least. The JC Penney's is closing, and the Sears attached to the same mall is rumored to be closing in the near future. I went into that Sears to look for a heater not long ago and it definitely looked like a ghost town in there. Empty shelves all over the place, super messy and random shelving everywhere, etc.
Speaking of Sears, the only Kmart in town is also supposedly closing "soon" and is in equally bad shape. Just for instance, one of the glass front doors broke during a storm recently and they just kind of boarded that whole section of doors up.
...that was back in January. Driving by it, the place already looks derelict and abandoned.
Definitely a long time coming for some of these places, just kind of crazy to see it happen all at once.
Speaking of Sears, the only Kmart in town is also supposedly closing "soon" and is in equally bad shape. Just for instance, one of the glass front doors broke during a storm recently and they just kind of boarded that whole section of doors up.
...that was back in January. Driving by it, the place already looks derelict and abandoned.
Definitely a long time coming for some of these places, just kind of crazy to see it happen all at once.
I actually enjoy shopping in stores; not entirely sure why, but the experience of going to look at a bunch of cool stuff is something I like.
However I absolutely can't stand what I just quoted; having things pushed on me.
It's gotten worse and worse over the years; I think it's related to the decline in retail.. as retail has declined, sales tactics have gotten more aggressive.. which to me causes a vicious cycle,, because people like myself with loads of money to burn stop going to malls.
Mall kiosks are the worst; so fucking rude.. literal harassment at times (following you for a ways, repeating a question over and over, then mouthing off at you if you ignore them.)
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Shop from comfort of home with no chit-chat, or harassment, or go to retail outlet
Hmm tough call
Hmm tough call
rokkerkory
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survival of the fittest
People check it out physically at Best Buy then buy from Amazon though.
They have 10,000 stores. Losing 70 is nothing lol
Many years back, my local mall had an Electronics Boutique and what I think was a Babbage's. Eventually, both of the stores became Gamestops that occupied the same mall simultaneously. Despite there being two of the same store in the same mall, there was an additional Gamestop (previously a Funcoland) literally across the highway in another shopping center. I'd guess by car it would take two minutes to get there. Then there was ANOTHER Gamestop a ten minute drive down another highway. The one mall GS closed a few years ago, and the second one finally closed earlier this year. In the absence of a game store or a book store, I have basically no reason to visit the mall, unless I want to check out that arcade I mentioned earlier.
always crazy bacon
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Yes, there was one in the mall close to where I lived but it's gone now, only lasted a couple of years I think.
I feel like this is retail's biggest problem right now. Gamestop is one good example, since so many chains just positions themselves WAY too close to one another. It's no surprise when some start closing their doors. I also a mall at one point having 2 Gamestops in it (only one now), and in one location, a mall had a Gamestop, and adjust in the parking lot in another little center on the same mall lot, was another (that one did close, though).
Too many is just too many. Reading through this, it sounds like CVS has a big problem in the same regard. My local area doesn't seem to have an abundance of single pharmacies, but I know CVS is bigger on the East Coast.
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Yeah except those places will replace grocery stores, hardware stores, and all that stuff all at once with a fraction of the number of employees all of them used to hire.
Zoe
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At outlet malls
ThreePiMatt
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With CVS and Walgreens when they buy out another pharmacy chain they usually divest a number of stores, either out of FTC requirements for the buyout, or just because they now have overlapping stores. In 2015 CVS bought out Target's pharmacy business which is over 1500 locations, naturally there's going to be some redundancies in locations.
I wonder what the opioid rate per store closing is.
That's ummm an awful thought.
Its funny you say that when a new CVS opened up a few miles away from me that's literally across from Walgreens.
This. I wonder if anyone remembers that awesome thread we had a few years back about how malls used to be in the late 80s/early 90s.
Here it is
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